GMAC Cooling (heatsink set?)

WalkerYYJ

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Hey all,
Curious if anyone knows if the hub heat sink set sold by Grin fits on a GMAC?

https://www.ebikes.ca/shop/electric-bicycle-parts/motor-hardware/cooling-mods/hubsink-set.html

I was originally planning on running twin motors for a new heavy cargo bike build I'm working on, but debating just running an single motor at first.

Would love any input!

thanks
 
Hi,

Hubsinks are sized to fit specific sized direct drive hub motors.

There's no GMAC geared hub motor sized Hubsinks.

For Hubsinks to work effectively there needs to be a thermal bridge between the stator and the motor housing. With direct drive hubs the thermal bridge is easily achieved with ferrofluid/statoraide.

Due to the design of geared hub motors a thermal bridge to the shell can only be achieved by partially filling the motor with a fluid such as ATF. Most geared hub motor owners who have tried to liquid cool their motors have found that they don't seal all that well. Leaking ATF and disc brakes is a recipe for no brakes. Nonetheless, if you get an effective seal, ATF alone without a heatsink(hubsink) will substantially improve the heat dissipation of the little MAC/GMAC motors.
 
FWIW:
Aluminum extrusion AKA "Raspberry Pi" fins WITH thermal contact adhesive ( and extra adhesive fillets ) are working on my BBS02
Each fin unit is relatively small and can be applied like tiles.
Not pretty or 'bolt on' like the bespoke Grin unit, but readily available and inexpensive.
Good luck
Mike
 
WalkerYYJ said:
Hey all,
Curious if anyone knows if the hub heat sink set sold by Grin fits on a GMAC?

https://www.ebikes.ca/shop/electric-bicycle-parts/motor-hardware/cooling-mods/hubsink-set.html

I was originally planning on running twin motors for a new heavy cargo bike build I'm working on, but debating just running an single motor at first.

There’s no real point in adding heatsinks to a geared hub motor, because the heat bottleneck is inside the hub where improved external heat sinking has little effect.

A high efficiency direct drive hub like Leaf is a better match for a heavy cargo bike. You’ll be able to climb steeper grades faster for longer without overheating, even with the same controller and battery. Leaf will give you whatever winding you want by request, so you can match speed, load, available power, and efficient operating range.
 
My understanding was with the addition of a ferrofluid you could get reasonly decent thermal transfer, GRIN has numbers showing upwords of an 80% improvment in heat sheading with their TIM and radiator assembly (just not sure if it will fit their motors).
 
With a DD hubmotor, yes.

A geared hubmotor does not connect to the outer shell.

So while it would indeed have better heat transfer from stator into magnets, the magnets then have nowhere to shed their heat to, except into the insulating air inside the outer shell.

Eventually that heat will pass thru the air and the shell...but it is nothing like the ability of a DD hubmotor to do this, where the magnets are directly connected to the outer shell, and thus can shed their heat into the air, where a heatsink will help it do so by giving more surface area to convect and radiate that heat from.

Basically, as far as heat shedding goes, a geared hub is like wrapping a thin blanket around a DD hub.

The oil or ATF that people have used in geared hubs helps by directly carrying the heat away, as it is much less of an insulator than air.


FWIW, I couldn't find anything on Grin's site called a "TIM and radiator assembly". The closest thing I can find is the hubsinks, here:
https://www.ebikes.ca/shop/electric-bicycle-parts/motor-hardware/cooling-mods/hubsink-set.html
which are for Direct Drive motors:
Quick Overview
V2 HubSink Set for Optimal Cooling of Direct Drive Hub Motors with Statorade. Includes thermal grease and hardware.

V2 HubSink cooling fins for greatly increasing the cooling capabilities of 205mm (9C, Crystalyte 'H', MXUS etc.) direct drive hub motor that contain Statorade. The 6-piece solution bolts onto the ring of existing direct drive hub motors and provides much more area moving heat from the magnet ring to ambient air, increasing the cooling effect by up to 20% over just Statorade alone.
Note The new Crysatlyte 'UFO' motors are slightly too small in diameter for the Hubsinks to fit tight. Usage with a UFO motor requires a thermal pad material to make up the difference in diameter.


ON the statorade page
https://www.ebikes.ca/product-info/statorade.html
it has this in the FAQ:
Frequently Asked Questions:
Will this work in geared hub motors or mid-drive motor systems?
No, not really. Geared hub motors do not have their rotor shell exposed to ambient air, so increasing the heat conductivity from the motor stator to the rotor does not help get the heat to ambient air outside. Similarly, most mid-drive motors (like the Bafang BBSXX) are inrunners, where the magnets and rotor are on the inside and the heat generating stator, and conducting heat to them would serve no purpose. The benefits of Statorade are really only present for outrunner motors (magnets on the outside) where the rotor is exposed to air flow.
 
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