Hobbyking Customer Service.

dogman said:
I keep wondering who is running HK now.
Says on the hobbyking about us page ( http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/uh_aboutUs.asp ) it is "Anthony Hand" as "Company Owner"

Here is an interview with Anthony Hand who is an aussie, no wonder why we have a warehouse in AU, normally no one gives a crap about us as there isn't enough market etc.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rh7xhKJvr7A

I have ordered stuff from HK 3 times now and its been OK, one battery I got had a buggered cell but it was my first battery and I didn't know it was bad until a fair while later.

Also on this page it points out that Jesi Chan is "Customer Service Manager", maybe she is too good looking to get fired.

Video was released in Feb 10, 2011. Anthony Hand did claim he reads the HK forums every day.

If people aren't getting the service they expect could be he has sold out a percentage of his company and has too much money to care any more. I remember watching on 60 minutes years ago where this CEO was running hair loss treatment company where another executive at the company turned on him and claimed that there were a lot of unhappy customers cos no one was getting any hair regrowth etc and the CEO said these lovely words in return "Fkem, fkem all! We are making too much money to start giving a fk about people now!"

Just saying, it does happen.

Maybe next time we have a Melbourne ebike group ride we should invite him as well, load his bike up with HK B-Grade batteries, lol :)
 
I wouldn't mind setting up a UK outlet for RC batteries. Just lipo and life up to 4s with single tagged cells available for pack builders. Selling consumables is usually sustainable business. My local model shops want triple the price of HK so there must be a margin in it. Even with a lot of returns and kids making up story's.

I wonder where it all comes from and how big an investment is required? I wouldn't be buying in HK volumes I know.

I can get a sit down with chinese business people who are back and forward between UK and Chinese establishments.
 
friendly1uk that would be a great idea.

I don't know of anywhere else I can get 6S to 10S large capacity LiPo from.

Still waiting on a response from HK for my 'claim'.

Kudos
 
I've made 18 orders with hobbyking over 3 years and never had a problem with a single order, other than 1 dud pack with a puffed cell in it, and 2 packs with a wonky cell, out of a total of 28 ordered. Typical ~10% dud rate.

So this is news to me.

But otherwise, it may seriously be time to stop bothering with these lipo packs and focus on commercial 18650 cells which are becoming available to us hobbyists in the past few years. These are far safer and are far less likely to contain cells which can be a potential serious fire hazard later, as an internal defect can set them off, and these cells are just unsafe by design in the first place.

It's seriously time to start perfecting the art of 18650 pack building, or building packs from commercially available pouch cells which are starting to become more common as well.
 
Ok so the latest news is this.....and I just can't believe it.....

Hobbyking want me to buy the batteries they sent me in error!!!

If that weren't bad enough, the value they want to charge me is $1.84

That's right, after messing me around for 3 weeks, they want me to pay more.

Unbelievable.

Kudos
 
neptronix said:
It's seriously time to start perfecting the art of 18650 pack building, or building packs from commercially available pouch cells which are starting to become more common as well.

Where can you get these cells and pouches from?

From what I understand batteries made fom these are larger, heavier, bulkier and costlier. So not a lot going for it other than potentially safer?


Kudos
 
So having no choice but to buy the stupid batteries they sent me for the paltry amount of $1.84 I paid up immediately, sent them the screen shot and told them my paypal address so there could be no more delay.

But no, HK will always find a way to delay......

3 days pass, 'Can you provide us with the PayPal transaction ID?'

That's right, despite giving them all the info, they couldn't be bothered to look it up.

It will be one month this Sunday since I paid for the batteries and they still haven't even sent them out yet.

Kudos
 
Damnmate thats shit. Over 25 ordders now for myself, and other than about a 7% dud pack rate and some minor problems like a rtr rc car arriving with two shocks leaking their oil (like $3 to replace, not worth my time to complain....) ive had nothing but good experiances. Yet i still hear these horror stories from time to time. Sucks for sure, im not looking forward to my first shitty experiance. Had worse cs experiences at the local dick smith than hk. Techsperts my ass.

Best of luck mate, all i can say... :(
 
I ordered 4x6s lipos and a few smalleritiems and payed via payapl. There was confirmation of the order but no confirmation of money received. I waited a week with no confirmation and then sent a ticket to hobbyking. No response again so I sent another ticket and still no response. By this stage I am a bit peeved as they have my money and they are not responding to my frustration. I then decided to open a dispute via paypal and thus far still no response. I will take the paypal dispute to the next level tomorrow.
he thing that amazes me is that they quite obviously do not care about customer service or they would liaise with disgruntled customers and solve problems rather than ignoring customers. I have never had such bad dealings with such a large company before.
I will have to find another alternative to lipos or find them somewhere else as I WILL NOT shop at Hobbyking again.
Is that good business practise or what?

Cheers,
Tony.

UPDATE .... Paypal resolved the case in my favour and Hobbyking refunded the full amount. I guess it pays to pay via Paypal.
 
iv made 58 orders with HK,
never actually got any dud cells, only blew up cheap rc chargers from user error ...

Im pretty happy with them, i just wish price was even lower, iv spent over 10k with these bastards, I think i should get some freebies
 
I think something has changed with HK. Last summer they seemed to be low in stock of everything in 5000mha, then when I found something in stock, they seemed to have great difficulty actually shipping it to me.

3 years ago, not at all like that. You still had to wait for things to restock, but no delays shipping anything listed as in stock.
 
I guess they're just so busy they can't keep up with orders/admin ?

low profit margin probably doesn't help, not worth hiring the extra staff they need etc.. ?
 
Hard to say from here what the cause might be. Could be turnover in staff, could be disgruntled staff deciding to get revenge on a boss, could be deliberate understaffing, could be understaffing due to difficulty finding workers that don't suck and steal.

I was wondering if it was a sellout, then the new owner turning the place into a dillbert situation. As in, fire everybody and replace with lower paid morons that can't do the job at all.

I just hope they get it together by next spring, when I plan on my next purchase.
 
I ordered some Lipos from HobbyKing.com on the 28th of November (they were in stock) and my order has been stuck "in Print Queue" ever since then. Made a request to process my order with Hobbyking Customer Service, who promised me that my order would be processed within 24 hours or so (which it didn't). So go back to Customer Service and get the same reply. And again, and again..

Finally opened a dispute with Paypal and informed Hobbyking Customer Service of this. They replied by telling me that when there is a Paypal dispute they will "freeze my order status" until I close my Paypal dispute and then they will look into it... That of course is tantamount to blackmail and based on HobbyKing's performance to date does not warrant any credence. So I escalated my dispute with Paypal to a claim (quoting them HK's latest response) and they settled it within about an hour: I got an email back from Paypal informing me they have settled the case in my favour and the money is back in my account.

It is my understanding that of every transaction through Paypal they withhold a certain percentage of the transaction amount (for future claims) and remit the remainder to the seller. The percentage withheld is dependent on claims history. So I'm guessing that the percentage to be withheld for HK has just ratcheted up a notch.. Can't say I'm sorry about that either.

It also tells me that Paypal probably has a great big red flag next to the account of HK..

If HK would just learn a tiny bit of Paypal's Customer Service they might just have a chance..
 
I haven't had any problem ordering items from Hobby king except for items out of stock. I had one order that was in limbo for over two months.
 
I've never had a problem from them. Last order was placed 11/25/13 and got an email the next day saying it was shipped with a tracking number. It hit US customs on 12/14.13 and i still haven't gotten it yet, but I expect it sometime this week. I've ordered some things from China that have taken almost 2 months to receive, but I've always gotten what I ordered. China post is really slow following their new guidelines.

Update:I received my order today 12/18/13.
 
Maybe you guys have been luckier than most.

After my order was delayed beyond what was reasonable, I did a bit of research on the Internet. (should have done that in the first place).

The number of people of that have had bad experiences with them is pretty shocking. I came across a web site called 'RCTruth.com' that has a section called "Problem Companies". HobbyKing takes pride of place...

Even their own forums are littered with stories about bad experiences.
 
Nope most have great luck. I've ordered ~80 packs with no problems so far.
 
Probably not a great idea bashing one of the most popular and reliable vendors on here. I've likewise had many good successes from them. Great pricing, fast delivery, friendly service.

Of course if someone threatened to not pay you, you would hold off shipping their goods. And Paypal has only ever processed a claim that fast for me when the vendor has agreed to the refund. So there was probably a 2 minute phone call between Paypal and HK, which sounded something like "Yeah we know about this ******, just process the refund". Probably hasn't affected their rating at all.

You have to remember HK is one of the biggest in the world. They ship out thousands of orders in a day. Your 1 in 10 million complaint isn't even going to be a fifth decimal place rounding error.
 
Sunder said:
Probably not a great idea bashing one of the most popular and reliable vendors on here. I've likewise had many good successes from them. Great pricing, fast delivery, friendly service.

Of course if someone threatened to not pay you, you would hold off shipping their goods. And Paypal has only ever processed a claim that fast for me when the vendor has agreed to the refund. So there was probably a 2 minute phone call between Paypal and HK, which sounded something like "Yeah we know about this ******, just process the refund". Probably hasn't affected their rating at all.

You have to remember HK is one of the biggest in the world. They ship out thousands of orders in a day. Your 1 in 10 million complaint isn't even going to be a fifth decimal place rounding error.

I'm glad you've had good service. I didn't. And have screeds of screenshots of discussions with their Customer Service people to prove it. Thats not "bashing", that's stating facts.
With regards to threatening to not paying, that's not exactly the case. Having been just through this process: The first stage with Paypal is a dispute, the second stage is a claim.
The dispute stage is merely a situation where both parties can put their point of view forward in order to come to a mutually acceptable resolution.
If HK was acting in good faith then they would have participated in the dispute process. Instead of responding appropriately, they "freeze your order status" I didn't really mind: this provided ample reason to escalate it to a claim.
But it does go to show that they are not interested in resolving disputes. They just don't care about their customers.

BTW it was interesting to note how quickly to were able to update my order status to "Cancelled" after the Paypal ruling. If they would have processed my order with the same speed in the first place, this situation would have never arisen.
 
I've had good luck too, but it wasn't always fast.

So where will you get your batteries instead?
 
I would recommend anyone ordering LiPo's to order from their own warehouse if you have one. I get my Lipos from the Sydney Warehouse transported by road to Melbourne and have not had any issues. Delivery is usually only a couple of days.

There are big problems transporting Lipos by air. Avoid at all costs.
 
kiwipete said:
I'm glad you've had good service. I didn't. And have screeds of screenshots of discussions with their Customer Service people to prove it. Thats not "bashing", that's stating facts.

If HK was acting in good faith then they would have participated in the dispute process. Instead of responding appropriately, they "freeze your order status" I didn't really mind: this provided ample reason to escalate it to a claim.

BTW it was interesting to note how quickly to were able to update my order status to "Cancelled" after the Paypal ruling. If they would have processed my order with the same speed in the first place, this situation would have never arisen.

Mate, a word of advice. I don't think you know how strongly you are coming across here. No wonder you got their backs up.

For example, when you say in the title no less "Worst service in the world - avoid", yet don't post any emails or screenshots to substantiate, I'd say that's bashing. When you gloat that you just made buying through our favourite supplier more expensive (By increasing their Paypal costs - a dubious claim, anyway) then of course you're going to get our backs up.

As for the rest, you've ordered on Black Friday and right before the Christmas rush. It seems you've waited not even three weeks before taking every step you could towards getting a refund. Paypal says that it allows 10 days for a vendor to respond to a claim, and won't pay any refunds until the investigation is complete, which can take up to 30 days.

That you got a response within an hour indicates to me Paypal never ruled in your favour. HK offered you a refund through Paypal the hour you asked for it. They could have thought "We're really busy, this is wasting our time", and not responded, forcing Paypal to wait the mandatory 10 days for them to respond, but they didn't. They authorised the refund immediately, so that you would get your money back sooner. That's fantastic customer service to me. Kudos to them. If Paypal said they "ruled in your favour", either it's a form letter, or they just said that to make you feel better about Paypal.

I don't think you're seeing it mate. Everything more you tell us is telling us how good HK is, and making you look like a bad customer. It's your choice whether to continue or not, but you can see the responses so far... You've got Wes, Arlo and HeavyMetal, 23skidoo and jbalat to endorse HK, and you've made me far more confident in their customer service.

You've actually reminded me what made me order in the first place. There was a thread in this forum about a guy who got some dud packs. They asked him to send it back, but he said that the cost of postage would be prohibitive. So they accepted a screenshot of a full charge and discharge cycle for the alleged dud cells, and they sent him a free packs. That's seriously good customer service. I think you've just driven a fair bit more business to HK.
 
I had lots of orders from them in the past, been fairly happy. Just don't expect a speedy process. Recent one over $500, I don't expect it will make Xmas, but it wasn't planned to.
 
Its obvious that you've got your experience with them and your views. Fair enough.

I've got mine: placed my very first order with them and they couldn't manage to even print it out for over 20 days, let alone ship it.

I'm happy to post screenshots if people so desire.

Can't see much point in continuing this: Its obvious i'm not going to convince you and vice versa.

Cheers
 
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