Hub motor hall wire trouble shoot

[Seya]

Hi guys,

I have a rear hub motor from eBike kit.

I'm trying to use one of Paul's 6 ft Infinion controllers with this motor.

I had to cut the motor cable to access the hall wires so I could graft them to my controller.

No matter what combination of colors I use the hub motor will not operate.. it just shutters back-and-forth.

It seems as if the halls are out of sequence but I tried every possible combination. I even tried different phase combinations although the likelihood of the colors not matching on the phase wires are much less since I think the default green blue and yellow is pretty standard.

The other possible reason I can think of is my battery it's a frame battery from Paul and it's been sitting for quite a while. What a dead battery give this type of symptom?

 

[izeman]

it's not enough to only try all 6 combinations of hall wires. you need to do the same with your phase wires making it 36 combinations.
read this to understand it better: http://www.endless-sphere.com/w/index.php/Determining_the_Wiring_for_a_Brushless_Motor

 

[Seya]

Regarding the phase wires..

I was under the impression that there was a standard in place ( at least with reputable manufacturers ) as far as blue green and yellow.

I'd love to eliminate that from the equation.

 

[don27dog]

I am having the same problem with wiring an ebike kit rear. Mine has 7 hall wires. What did you do with the white hall wire? I have manages it get it to smoothly run in reverse without the white attached but still haven't managed to get it running the correct direction. I has hoping to put a little time onto this past weekend but didn't find the time.

 

[Seya]

Mine is the trike motor.. I was told the wiring is a little different then their regular motors .
It only had five wires plus the white one so it total of six but I called them and they said the white one was not necessary..

 

[amberwolf]

I was under the impression that there was a standard in place ( at least with reputable manufacturers ) as far as blue green and yellow.

Nope. There isn't even really a "standard" (in typical ebike stuff, anyway) to *use* blue, green or yellow at all, but it is very very common--almost every motor I've seen uses it, but they are not always in the same order from the windings inside the motor, nor are they in the same order from the same FET group inside the controller.

Same is true of the halls--not always blue, green or yellow, and not always in the same order in either motor or controller.

Easiset is to do it the way John in CR describes, in the wiki link posted previously in this thread.

 

[motomech]

Known to Work Brushless Motor/Controller Wiring Diagrams;

http://www.endless-sphere.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=6241

 

[Seya]

Thanks for the help,

It turned out I was hooking up the wrong wires.

And when I finally hooked up the correct wires the colors matched entirely!

So anyone with an infineon controller from em3ev and an ebike kit DD hub just connect color for color.

 

[John in CR]

it's not enough to only try all 6 combinations of hall wires. you need to do the same with your phase wires making it 36 combinations.
read this to understand it better: http://www.endless-sphere.com/w/index.php/Determining_the_Wiring_for_a_Brushless_Motor

This incorrect post should be deleted. The misinformed idea that 36 wiring combinations need to be tried has led to many hundreds of hours of frustration for members. Every combination of halls has one valid phase combo, and every combination of phases has one valid hall combo. 3 of the resulting 6 valids are forward and 3 are reverse, and to change direction simply swap 2, any 2, and only 2 of the wires you were keeping static and go back and find the valid combo of those you were changing. Don't be fooled by false positive results that can spin the wheel, but start roughly and have abnormally high no-load current. Use small pulses of throttle when trying each combination. Take your chain off so pedals don't whack you or worse if you hit a valid reverse.

 

[Cuckle Burr]

I am looking at a white wire, also from a trike, which appears to go nowhere. Did you find out if they were
giving you accurate information about yours?

 

[Seya]

I am looking at a white wire, also from a trike, which appears to go nowhere. Did you find out if they were
giving you accurate information about yours?

Well I haven't had any one confirm on the forum here but ebikekit.com phone support told me the white one is a temp sensor wire. It makes sense and my motor runs fine without it