I will be voting for Bernie Sanders
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Dauntless
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Not only are the trolls already here, they're all around us in threads that aren't right for them and they should be contained right here.
Totally missing that not only were they getting blamed for their buddy Epstein running around, but then for a suicide conspiracy. They should be posting this in this thread that's meant to free the others, some of us feel a duty to set them right.
So now they're saying that 3 struggling candidates are setting themselves up for Senate runs. Beto tried it once, will he try again? Will his embarrassing presidential campaign help or hurt?
And what of Bernie? Will there be anything left for him in a few months? Will he even run for reelection to his Senate seat?
tomjasz said:
Totally missing that not only were they getting blamed for their buddy Epstein running around, but then for a suicide conspiracy. They should be posting this in this thread that's meant to free the others, some of us feel a duty to set them right.
So now they're saying that 3 struggling candidates are setting themselves up for Senate runs. Beto tried it once, will he try again? Will his embarrassing presidential campaign help or hurt?
And what of Bernie? Will there be anything left for him in a few months? Will he even run for reelection to his Senate seat?
markz
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Joe Rogan did a podcast with Bernie Sanders recently. Its only an hour long, not Joe's usual 2+ hrs for every podcast Joe's ever done.
You think Bernie is fit to be President of Amurika, I mean he wont pass out like Hillary Clinton did on the campaign trail will he?
You think Bernie is fit to be President of Amurika, I mean he wont pass out like Hillary Clinton did on the campaign trail will he?
Dauntless
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Dauntless said:
Damn, what's it gonna take to get you to talk Bernie? Here's some motivation that ought to get you started.
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markz said:
Bernie didn't have the stamina to do a full JoeShow, you're saying? I've seen some of the old footage of him eating and drinking with Vladi and the rest of how communist brethren in his Moscow days, I wouldn't expect him to be in good shape. Hell, he looks like he's feeling the heartbern during the debates.
Not the Trump is looking built to last. Dang, the Democrats need to put up a mean, lean fighting machine.
TULSI!
Dauntless
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billvon said:
Yeah, all 35% of them. This came almost exactly a year before his REPLACEMENT took the oath of office.
The Japanese are well mannered about such things. If Bernie pukes on his longtime buddy Vladi guess who might die of radiation poisoning.0
ZeroEm
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Not nice to talk about those that passed on. what about Regan, Nancy ran the country the last four years his supports still revere him as a president. Does not take much to make them happy just a warm body.
ZeroEm
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Me and Bernie are not against guns. Lets do them like cars, link the ser# to the owner so we know who is selling them on the streets!
billvon said:
It's shockingly easy to make a gun. Criminal organizations mass produce them in countries like brazil and papua new guinea.
Gangs here in the United States would love it if guns were criminalized. It's a good thing that we don't allow felons to vote.
Of course. And it is shockingly easy to build a car, or an ebike, or a child carseat. There's an outfit here that mass produces EV conversions. Still, regulating them works - because most people don't want to build their own gun (or car, or bike, or carseat.)neptronix said:
That's a weird comparison, because you can't hide an illegal vehicle under your jacket.
Some citizens in these countries that get tired of getting robbed/extorted end up making their own guns as well. But to defend your own life by having the same weapon as a criminal makes you a criminal.
I'm glad this country affords me the right to own the same types of things some very evil people are packing.
Some citizens in these countries that get tired of getting robbed/extorted end up making their own guns as well. But to defend your own life by having the same weapon as a criminal makes you a criminal.
I'm glad this country affords me the right to own the same types of things some very evil people are packing.
People hide illegal vehicles all the time. There used to be a shop in Portland that tuned cars for performance, then re-tuned them to pass inspection. Still, emissions controls have done wonders for the environment. (As someone who first saw LA in 1980.)neptronix said:
An environment where people like you could carry guns, but those very evil people had a very hard time getting guns, would be a good one indeed.
billvon said:
We weren't talking about modifying things to make them illegal though.. we were talking about constructing things which are entirely illegal.
We should let go of that fantasy, in this day and age where anyone with a little ingenuity, or even just a 3d printer and some internet downloaded plans could make a gun.
Our government cannot even stop things like prostitution and drug trafficking, despite the ever growing set of tools law enforcement is able to use - such as having a backdoor to every form of digital communication.
The two are very closely related.neptronix said:
Guy 1 gets a car and tunes it for performance - but then it doesn't pass emissions. Guy 2 takes the same car and replaces the engine. Guy 3 rebuilds the entire car but just uses the registration of the old car so he can register it. Guy 4 just builds a car of his own design and drives it without registration. All are illegal.
Likewise, in the gun world, guy 1 buys a semiauto and converts it to full auto. Guy 2 takes it and replaces every part of it that has a serial number. Guy 3 rebuilds it until it looks nothing like the original. Guy 4 builds his own.
Those are both ranked from most to least likely. Is there a problem with people building their own cars and driving them on public roads? I am sure there is. I've never heard of it causing a problem in the US. Are there people who build their own guns? Again, of course. And again, I have never heard of it causing a problem in the US.
Given that the fantasy is reality in Australia, I wouldn't be so quick to call it a fantasy.
So let's look at what works for both of those problems.
Prostitution - there are areas of Nevada where it is legal - but very heavily regulated. There's very little prostitution related crime there, a much lower rate of women being forced to work against their will, and the STD rate among hookers is very close to zero.
Drugs - pot is now legal in many places, again heavily regulated. And it has ended the illegal trade of pot in those places.
Not bad examples to follow.
ZeroEm
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Say Whattttttttttt! Oh felons the people that are chosen to be locked up. Not like the Wellsfargo people who did Two Million accounts of fraud and still vote, you mean the lower class right? The people that break the law like us vote or I do.
There are plenty of illegal Cars and trucks around me bet they did not grind off the vin so why do they make us register them?
billvon said:
That's what we're talking about here - the goings on of guy 4 - when we compare cars to guns.
The only use for a non-legal fully home built vehicle is to look pretty in your garage or lawn as a piece of art. You cannot fly under the radar and just take it on the road.
The cars as guns analogy does not work.
billvon said:
That's exactly why the second amendment is a good thing. People are going to own guns either way - so the best thing to do would be to set rules that are, in reality, possible to enforce.
Australia has a pretty decent incidence of gun crime considering how hard it is to obtain a weapon legally there. They have a problem with the illegal arms trade now. Bad example of 'fixing the gun problem'.
Switzerland has 1/4th the gun deaths we have here in the states, yet they train their young on how to handle semi autos and the population is overall pretty well armed because of their mentality of having a citizen militia - just in case world war 2 happens again.
Israel has mandatory military service, and also very liberal gun laws, and they have about 1/12th of the gun deaths we have here. Also very well armed.
'Gun deaths' figures for various countries don't isolate for whether the gun death was a murder or suicide though.
Most of ours are suicides. I don't know about other countries.
I just know that it's possible to have a semi auto in every household and stunningly low violent crime/murder stats.
We used to be more like Switzerland. What happened?
Well, no. Very, very few people do 4) in both cases. The vast majority of guns carried (and cars driven) are off the shelf.neptronix said:
Given that in the ten years after they banned autos and semiautos, gun-related homicides and suicides in the country dropped by 59 percent and 65 percent respectively - I'd say it's a pretty good example.
Yes, it is. We have a problem based on our culture. But changing our culture will take generations - so solutions that can take months are a good thing to pursue until we can make those generational changes.
ZeroEm
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Why is the second amendment the only one anybody cares about.
I am for guns and the second amendment but in a reasonable way. Trading drugs for guns with Mexico is not one of them. Blaming people who died by a gun for not having one. Only a small percentage of US population owns guns. The gun companies are going out of business so you many need to make your own. But most guns last for ever so why do we need new ones?
I support all of the constitution, not just the second amendment. I think you got me wrong.
I don't even own a gun nor have any interest in owning one at all.
I just don't want to live in a place where i cannot produce the same force as a criminal can.
I would, in almost every case, rather live with the consequences of too much freedom than too little.
I don't even own a gun nor have any interest in owning one at all.
I just don't want to live in a place where i cannot produce the same force as a criminal can.
I would, in almost every case, rather live with the consequences of too much freedom than too little.
Dauntless
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billvon said:
Not how it would be. Only the opposite effect can result.
billvon said:
No it has not. Less than one quarter of marijuana in those places fits the description of legal marijuana. That's like saying the end of prohibition ended moonshine and the health risks, deaths, etc. Nowhere near the truth. Same for prostitution. Note that prostitutes cross over into the illegal zones away from where it's legal.
neptronix said:
That's gonna start an Antifa riot in front of you.
neptronix said:
Switzerland changed. As did we. In some ways we each made things better and worse.
Dauntless
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billvon said:
Oops, that's not a given, you're taking that. It was ALREADY FALLING, all that get tough on drugs was working. What you botch attributing to something that hadn't happened yet 'Freakonomics' arrogantly attributed to abortion. 'Roe vs. Wade' 1973, murder rate falling 1991, all because the murderers were getting aborted and no longer turning 18. Of course it would have taken longer for abortion to influence numbers, same as it would have taken waiting until AFTER the gun bill for that to be relevant.
DAMN, here you thought you could take a victory lap, like Dubya and his 'Mission Accomplished.'
ZeroEm
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Yes, agreed. Sold my .44 mag when I moved from Montana to Phoenix. Worried if I shot anyone it would go thru the apt walls and hit someone else. this last year I got rid of .22, 30.06 and 12ga. So now I don't have any. I grew up around guns so never thought of them as anything other than tools. I would not carry one around with the intent on shooting anyone to protect myself or attack anyone. Now home defense is different!
Now people marching up and down streets bearing loaded guns just wanting a conflict is different or packing one just in case you might need to shoot someone because your afraid of them. It's all crazy we are not in the wild wild west anymore.
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