Ohbse said:
dauntless is a big bag of hot air, poke a hole and watch it all gush out!
Who left the window open? That sound is serving no purpose in here.
rborger73 said:
All those words, and you didn't prove your point, and certainly didn't say much. Try again.. lol If you have to type that much to explain your point, you should just stop.
Actually, yes I did. I said much, I proved my point but you had already proved it for me so there must have been some redundancy for you. As for a "Debate" ending before it started, that means it wasn't debatable. Which of course is all established before you---oh, why bother, you're already struggling. I put the video from 'A Fish Called Wanda' where Kevin Kline responds to being called a dumb ape by saying "Dumb apes do no read philosophy." To which Jaime Lee Curtis retorts "Oh yes they do. They just DON'T UNDERSTAND IT!" And from her fine example I'm reminded to be patient with you. You're just not the comprehending type. As with most Bernie supporters.
rborger73 said:
As said above, you did nothing to explain the difference, but question my understanding of the topics, and regulated my understanding to a dictionary level definition.
Yeah, since I had already said it, are you repeating it so at least you establish your attention span lasts that long? No need, I see you have difficulty.
rborger73 said:
Did you mention who you were supporting for President?
I should make you go do some reading to figure it out, but since you failed all reading tests so far, here's some more redundancy: NO, I have obviously never said I'm supporting ANYONE, as others have brought up. I've mentioned that so many people are saying it's amazing I'm not bouncing around puking just like an old Warner Brothers cartoon character over his candidacy. (Though I' obviously Bugs Bunny, it would be so bad as the Tasmanian Devil or Yosemite Sam.) I've mentioned that I started a certain other thread to deal with the fact it seemed pretty obvious to me, all the way back last June, it was going to be Trump. I'd have to go check just how early I mentioned the armor plating on his speeches where fallout from whatever he said was simply deflected and maybe hit his opponents. Ah, but work on your reading skills and go read that thread.
Didn't say nearly so much this time around, maybe you can get it.
Ohbse said:
dauntless is a big bag of hot air, poke a hole and watch it all gush out!
Is that window still open?
rborger73 said:
if Hillary steals the nomination. . . .
"Steals?" You really are lost in the bog, Hillary is WINNING, she's been on a cakewalk the whole time. Bernie made the speech tonight about how she owned the nomination long before the voting started and how HE would have to steal it to get it.
rborger73 said:
. . . . stick to topics you actually have some validity to be in.
Pretty much everything, yeah. I won't banish you to where you're valid, we'd never see or gear from you again. (Might make some people happy.) Why are you in such a bad mood? Your boy actually WON something. He finally had a good night. Delayed the inevitable a short bit. Hillary's out crying for money but whatever dark forces are funding Bernie (The same way they mysteriously showed up for O Duce) apparently shelled out big for that particular soul. Sort of makes you wonder: Here he says he's going to steal from America's rich, so it's not America's rich giving him all that money. Who indeed has bought and paid for Bernie Sanders. . . ?
Just because it further drives home the futility when he wins and STILL it all looks hopeless is no reason for you to be sad. The sadness should be for the fact it's all wasted on him anyway.
nutspecial said:
-Just rhetoric? Disappointing!
There, you see? Simple, yet really makes the point. You notice how many times you were already off balance BEFORE the biggie hit because of those simple comments?
nutspecial said:
And where does the string lead? Prob not to 50% or 30% or even the 1%. Follow the money and do the math. Perhaps it leads to central banks and fractional reserve banking, corporations/law, and personal responsibility/morality?
Unfortunately forced redistribution of wealth may be just a bandaid, as it's been in the past. In fact, I'm afraid increased major change will end up for the worse without addressing and correcting biggest problems first?
Okay, NOBODY needs a remedial economics education more than a Bernie supporter, so away we go:
The only serious problem our economy has is the cash flow problem. Notice you can't get a 30 year mortgage anymore? You're lucky to get a 25. Dang, when the real estate was running up, you could get a 40 year. At least if 'You' were a DINK (Dual Income, No Kids couple) or something so you could afford the ever rising payments. That's because there was money out there before. Now it's gone. Where did it go? More important, where was it when it disappeared.
Well, for one thing, some of it was sitting in the retirement account of an old guy at my Gym back in 2006. He was talking about retiring in 2009. Then during what was supposed to be the last 3 years of his career 2/3rds of his retirement money did that disappearing act. Specifically it was lost in its' investment. So his hours at work were cut in the bad economy, he wound up having to sell his house in the bad market at less than half of where it was a few years ago. 7 years after he'd planned to retire he's still working.
So basically it's as though the government (NOT Wall Street) made us stack several trillion dollars in the street then lit it on fire. That crazy refinance market that drove it all was the brainchild of the U.S. government, who was quite pushy about making it go. The market collapse itself was caused by the financial market grinding to a halt because there was no money. Loans on houses could not be funded, businesses couldn't get bridge loans. In 2007 there was 'The Pause,' then 2008 the fall. If you borrowed money to buy a house or to spend off your equity on nonsense, the money you owed wasn't covered by the house anymore, therefore it no longer existed. This is what the socalled financial gurus who want to sell you their crisis investment package are talking about when they say there's a 'Money Shortage' or other language.
So what would you think would happen if we deliberately made this worse? If we had a president who wanted to spend more than the $3 trillion annual tax revenues the U.S. Government collects each year? If he wanted spend $18-21 trillion? (Read Bernie's spending plans. READ, damn you!) Since the current tax rate is 20% of Gross Domestic Product, he would have to raise the tax rate to perhaps 120% of GDP, maybe to 140%. Basically anyone making $1,000 for each paycheck would be required to bring an extra $200-400 to work on payday to cover the taxes they don't make enough to pay on that job. The problem of course would be that you can't get a second job to make up the difference because that job will also require you to bring money on payday.
Are you STILL going to vote for Bernie? Certainly one would expect a Bernie supporter to believe there's unlimited taxes that can be collected. It's almost a slogan to communists; "There's always more. That's what more MEANS." Or are you still trying to contend that just because he's a communist doesn't mean he's got every old communist saw going---I mean, just because he's got every old communist saw going doesn't mean--Oh, nevermind, the rest of us get the picture even if Bernie supporters don't.
If this all sounds like a nightmare, of course it is. We'll wake up in a few weeks and Bernie will have dropped out and we'll live happily ever a--- well, at least Bernie won't be president. If Bernie supporters wake up to what fools they've been and say they'll never back such an idiot again, perhaps he'll have done some good in a backhanded way.
I still can't get over where the Illuminati are getting all that money for Bernie. I mean obviously some foreign power loves the thought of Bernie destroying everything so mindlessly and all the fools just bleating as he does. They say that Vladimir Putin has become the richest man in the world through all the corruption in Russia. Even if they're not communists there anymore, I could see him spending two weeks graft on giving Bernie a big budget election campaign.
Oh, by the way, next time you near about some rich guy paying ONLY 20% of his income after giving away another 20% of it to charity (Meaning he's paying 40% in reality) look at that average of what everyone else pays. Why aren't you smart enough to feel dumb?
Ohbse said:
dauntless is a big bag of hot air, poke a hole and watch it all gush out!
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Have you STILL got that window open? Have you still not corrected your name?
Tell me, have you ever been able to afford to go get breakfast at a coffee shop? Since you're the eggs on toast type, when the waitress asks "Over easy?" are you able to understand what she means? When you don't understand do you start shouting insults and getting self satisfied at your behavior? Didn't work then, did it? So why would you think it would work here?
Oh, on your spelling, it's O-B-T-U-S-E.
methods said:
In Santa Cruz we have some grass roots efforts kicking up.
Oh yeah, we don't just have the kicking here, the Bernie supporters are pushing, shoving, spitting. Just as his master Karl Marx taught.
But that woman hanging off that bulls' horn while the van is driving. Haven't they heard about dangling those participles in Santa Cruz? I thought SOMEWHERE online there'd be a picture illustrating that, but no such luck.
The lovable postmodern fuckery is enertaining, but really adds so little to a meaningful discussion, which is where this thread started off.
I will avoid engaging.
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