I will be voting for Bernie Sanders

[nutnspecial]

Ok, dumb question. Isn't it very possible something like that already exists, and is in private hands? Get a big enough brain hooked into the net, and ask it questions. Everybody's already talking and blogging about everything already anyway . . Does anyone have the means money and motive?

Also, sidenote- Isn't it in some movie where we make a big brain to figure it all out, and the damn thing figures out it's us, and proceeds to cleanse??

Anyway, I like the idea to aid peoples' growth in being/getting informed. But the idea of organic to me would be decentralized and not tracking, not computing. Not big brother.

To me it was about 'taking back' tech for the people, and centralization would be towards the opposite.

It'd be nice in that manner to get people thinking and talking. I mentioned before, likely as we went more in depth of q&a we'd notice the majority of the start were just symptoms, and hopefully arrive at real causes, to actually fix. But I think people will have to work that through for themselves.

Whether an authority or a peon says the causes of these symptoms are invisible purple dinosaurs drinking milk, or that it's human pride anger hate fear greed lust selfishness gluttony and laziness from the very bottom to the top of the structure, it won't mean anything if people don't figure it out for themselves.

From there maybe people could and would change accordingly, and we could adjust the structure of/by/for to match. Gone with corporations and fractional reserve banking. Gone with so much of the government and the 'symptoms' too, equivalent to level of enlightenment and responsibility people take for themselves. But for a fix, we have to find cause.

Unique Name or Handle: Name or alias
Contact Vector: Email, Phone, etc

(From that a hash can be created to unique'afie each individual through an automated system which roots out duplicates through clever questions and metadata)

Giant database of questions and answers

1) Do you believe qualified Americans should be able to bare arms (Y,N, comment)

2) Do you believe that freedom of speech is more important than being sensitive to gender, sexuality, race, religion (Y, N, comment)

...

10) Do you think the National Debt should be paid down or written off (Y, N, comment)


So... all these questions organically start to grow on different peoples pages. For an example check out http://www.okcupid.com/home

The next step is to write up a clever script that will parse through all these different questions, group them, and try to cook them down into one question. Example:

1) Would you ever serve in the Military (Y,N, comment)
1a) Have you ever fought for your country (Y,N, comment)
1b) Do you think there should be a Military Industrial Complex (Y,N,comment)
1c) Do you believe we should have an arsenal of Weapons of Mass Destruction (Y,N,comment)
1d) Should veterans be celebrated or counseled in our society (Y,N, comment)

So... you end up with a bunch of questions and answers that are similar yet... slightly different.
The clever script then comes up (with human help) with Q's and A's that attempt to combine 3 or 5 or 10 slightly different questions into a super set question;

1) Do you believe we can have a future where armies and wars are no longer needed (Y, N, comment)

This process iterates and iterates and iterates.... like a compiler trying too parse all the lines... or an auto-router attempting to get those last few traces.... converging on the concept of 100 questions and answers (or some arbitrary answer).

A process like this could replace all these polling agencies.

An open source software package could be developed and released within a week. No different than downloading uTorrent, bitTorrent, - or - just a web form that lives at a trusted source. There could be MANY... each slightly different... but with some basic agreements on the formatting of data. Huge shuffles of information and mix all these different sources together...

Unique ID's could be tracked... but at any time when a person comes back to answer new questions... superset questions can pare down subset questions

Just brainstorming.
Would be a good class project. 30 young people, 3 months, a totally new tool for debate and bringing relevant subjects to the surface.

Most people dont even know how to start developing their political viewpoint short of settling on this radio show or that comedy-news show or this fervent friend or that parent.

I am interested in organic and unbiased tools to help people develop a stance which we can organize behind and march on behalf.

 

[Chalo]

It doesn't much matter what everybody thinks if most of them are both ignorant and wrong.

Remember the majority were acquiescent to slavery, the disenfranchisement of women, Jim Crow, the Red Scare, etc. More recently, many might remember that they were in favor of war with Iraq when now it looks like they were pretty stupid then. Just like all those other times, most people today are still ignorant about most things and wrong about many of them. Look at how many think that driving a car is OK, for example. History will judge you for that.

You gotta stand for what's right, even when you're in the minority. It's not cool to be a crackpot or religious nut, but it's super cool to be right when almost everybody is telling you to be wrong.

 

[methods]

Hmmm....

 

[sharkmobil]

mass democracy vs eugenically enhanced one?

 

[nutnspecial]

Hmmm, if you really think about it, natural/unnatural may be a misnomer.

If all is energy, and only transforms . . .

And the entire system is evidenced as cyclical . . .

Sure, we can refine some nasty stuff with a half life of xxxxxxxxx years, but maybe there is no better or worse, just time in the cycle. Seems like human's are the only ones capable of good and bad, if evidenced only their consciences.

So eugenics isn't necessarilly bad or unnatural. Maybe it's not about whether to get there or not, but how to go about it. Whether it's forced or not, and whether we do 'bad' to get there, or 'good'.
Thud started the thread on 'the singularity', and Kurzweil heads in a wild way. Very interesting stuff.
Maybe it's time to watch the Depp movie 'transendence' with some info about singularity in mind.


Chalo, the future might judge us, but do you judge the past? I look back and those things evidence we are improving. That's a good thing, and something to learn from, not to judge imo.
I agree with standing for right, but also continually being 'refreshable' like a good frame rate.

By crackpot/nut maybe we could go more precise to fanatical or foolish, or just illogical. I agree in being the change you wanna see, but my large disagreement with some religion is the mindset it's provably right, therefore others are provably wrong. Dogma. In science too, it's everywhere. Likely a human condition to overcome.

It's kinda the same thing with being anti-car, anti-combustion, or anti-animal products. They're good and noble ideas/practices, but there's also the potential for fanatcism. I think the future very well may not need those things, but probably, logically, not until there are just a few humans all living in the tropics, or at the point nature itself transcends from cyclical life/death/life/death, to Unity.

We're not there yet though, and the entire world can't function without that cyclical process, from microbes to plants and animals, to humans using animals, oil/wood/coal, and vehicles. So I think it's great to strive for, and to be an example in, when attitudes and mindsets remain realistic and optimistic. I'm in the mood to go try listening to a rock . . :lol:

 

[Dauntless]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/seth-abramson/sanders-currently-winning-democratic-primary-race-ill-prove-to-you_b_9528076.html

(These are the same people who predicted Bernie would win all the way back in January.) So he's gone from being outpaced 3:1 to almost 3:2 in a short period. Not so sure he can continue, but I almost think he'll carry California no matter what the polls say, especially if Hillary were to lock it up before but he stayed on campaigning. Do you get the idea he would?

Dang, you guys are doing a great job of discussing without arguing. See how much better it is when none of you says "I want you DEAD?"

But why did someone put a pic of MY mouse pad in a post about a big brain that controls everything? If what you're suggesting is true, I HONESTLY had no knowledge and am as shocked, SHOCKED as everyone else. (I must admit it makes a lot of sense, though.)

mass democracy vs eugenically enhanced one?

ANY mass democracy is a eugenically enhanced one. Great name for it though. Democracy itself is an artificial; a construct of mankind's effort to find himself more 'Enlightened.' NATURAL has long been established as a Dominant Hierarchy. Basically not only would we be ranked as smartest to dumbest in this thread, but #1 would control everything as the big br--- well, enough on that.

. . . . it's disappointing you see negative/uselessness in a grassroots attempt to come together.

What's disappointing is that it's to be expected that the most negative/useless automatically call themselves a grassroots coming together. Bernie really doesn't meet the definition of 'Grassroots,' he just expects you to go along to be kewl. Funny how Trump is a whole lot closer to real grassroots. The irony of so much of this is intense.

Has 'socialist' been fully defined for the subject?

Why yes, long before I was born. (None of you would be any of Heinlein's 'Smith Family' types, would you?) And no, no redefinition, we'll stick with the proper one, even if most people don't bother to know it. It includes using violence and intimidation, a la the followers who want to Bern the nonfollowers at the stake.

So when one cop does something wrong, people demand all the others be punished for 'Supporting' it. With this 'Bern America to the ground' movement, why wouldn't the others saying 'Bern Baby Bern' through it all be responsible as enablers? If there weren't so many of them approving, there wouldn't be the safety in numbers as they do it. I suppose it's possible they were molesting women and pepper spraying them before they were Bernie supporters, but you really don't think joining a movement that encourages people to bad things has made them more likely to do it because they convince themselves they're justified to go to a Trump rally for it? You don't think there are people joining because they see it will be accepted and others will stick up for it? Meanwhile, after all these evil actions, the hatred toward Trump because he has a big mouth but hasn't backed any of it up with actions? I mean. . . .

Oh, to steal a line form Elizabeth Warren, (As Obama did) I'll paraphrase and remind that if you have a successful opinion, you didn't build it yourself, others built it for you. In this case you don't get to judge history, history built whatever opinion you hold. Hell, you haven't begun to learn a piece of it, if you could be bothered. If history is ignorant and wrong, then you are ignorant and wrong, because everything you know is history. History doesn't judge you, history watches you. You don't get to look back and flatter yourself that you're so much better than they because it is THEY taught you to be what you are. HAVE YOU EVEN LEARNED AS MUCH AS YOU SHOULD HAVE? Some of US learn it better than some of YOU. Note that WE don't pretend we get to judge the past just because they had to learn it all the hard way and we didn't. If they hadn't gone to the trouble of learning it, you never could have. YOU would do well to learn that. (Hey, maybe they did make a good choice picking the big br--- well. . . .)

Just for emphasis, I'm impressed. You've come a long way in a short time, just in how you post to people.

Oh, and my resume includes the job title "Master Control." It's from broadcasting, look it up. And if you MUST make puke jokes, limit them to what's actually FUNNY.

Obviously you got that pic from some central planning file from when my Escher was clean and new. It's like the powers that be forced you to do that. (Will you EVER live this one down?)

 

[nutnspecial]

Ok . .

It includes using violence and intimidation, a la the followers who want to Bern the nonfollowers at the stake.

Well, no matter the desired or actual end, is it justified by the means?
I don't think violence or intimidation are right, most definitely in political/civil/social settings.

Reading: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism
or even https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communism

. . . They're just way too broad (and neutrally based) of a label to use as a primary criticism (at least imo), regardless if someone already had chosen such a label for themselves. More accurate criticism or appeal is directed with definition of more specific negative things (like violence, force, intimidation).

Reading the wiki, even communism itself doesn't appear negative/evil/bad:

the analysis that the current order . . . stems from its economic system, capitalism, that in this system, there are two major social classes: the working class – who must work to survive, and who make up a majority of society – and the capitalist class – a minority who derive profit from employing the proletariat, through private ownership of the means of production (the physical and institutional means with which commodities are produced and distributed), and that political, social and economic conflict between these two classes will trigger a fundamental change in the economic system, and by extension a wide-ranging transformation of society

It's . . . logical, but I also sincerely doubt it's a complete picture, meaning it must be open to adjustment to have a chance to work; and besides fanatical mindsets about it or socialism, there's obvious ways (like force/violence) to attempt implimentation quite negativity- in fact we've seen some of the most damaging examples in the past . . . same with the rest?
Regardless of any of that, the ideas don't appear to be bad or evil in themselves, therefore they are too general and inaccurate for the purpose if used as primary criticism/appeal/argument, imo.

. . great job of discussing without arguing . . better . . when none . . says "I want you DEAD"

Again, part of this is a bit too general to me.
'Argument' is primarily useful and good. You can't even have a discussion productively go anywhere without it. It may be debatable you can't even have tangible discussion without argument. My 'argument' for that is the simply definition of the word. But yeah I agree in/with the compliment- no uncivil or childish behavior, nor anger/hate is beneficial here and in politics.

But why did someone put a pic of MY mouse pad . . .

Lol- ummmm the connection evident everywhere as we look deeper? Which is what the drawing symbolized to me and why I chose to apply it. Or could be I'm watching you? . . .haha april fools! The picture speaks to me of the anchients' dragon or snake eating it's tail, maybe as or more evident still today.

ANY mass democracy is a eugenically enhanced one . . .

Agree, even humanity at it's base is eugenics, and works naturally towards 'evolution'. It's not evil in itself as an idea, but can be 'fanaticized' and/or implemented badly, just as arguments . . . and so much more.
I don't agree dominant heirarchies or monarchies, obvious or hidden are any more 'natural' than voluntary /free. In fact, voluntary /free may be the most natural, but the most difficult to 'pull off' properly/well. It does appear that is where we've been heading though, in many respects.

Time tells if we're worthy of it.

. . .the most negative/useless automatically call themselves a grassroots coming together. Bernie really doesn't meet the definition of 'Grassroots,' he just expects you to go along to be kewl. Funny how Trump is a whole lot closer to real grassroots. The irony. . .

Interesting, looking for a place to apply . .

if you MUST make puke jokes, limit them to what's actually FUNNY.

Looking for application. . . Is it to chalo in reference to the statement in your thread about trump? I found that statement fully accurate. Opinion was direct/notable, making the entire statement objective. The same could also be said for bernie, hillary, etc (as opinion also), but the positive aspect remains.

Optimism we can learn from whatever degree of shitshow (however imperfect) the present turns out to be, as it rolls into history.

 

[Dauntless]

No one class can comprehend the country; no one set of interests can safely be suffered to dominate it.

. . . They're just way too broad (and neutrally based) of a label to use as a primary criticism (at least imo), regardless if someone already had chosen such a label for themselves. More accurate criticism or appeal is directed with definition of more specific negative things (like violence, force, intimidation).

You can do much better than the info there.

You'd do much better learning about Calculation in Natura, or Calculation in Kind. Socialism has at it's very foundation what Ludwig von Mises called 'The Economic Calculation Problem.' It reminds of price controls. Rather than give a lesson in that one, the point is if they can't put gas at the station for $1/gallon, there's no point in the government making a law pricing it at $1/gallon, there won't be any gas at that price. Socialism demands to defy that. As well as to defy gravity.

'Argument' is primarily useful and good. You can't even have a discussion productively go anywhere without it. It may be debatable you can't even have tangible discussion without argument. My 'argument' for that is the simply definition of the word. But yeah I agree in/with the compliment- no uncivil or childish behavior, nor anger/hate is beneficial here and in politics.

No it's not. Debating is not arguing. One thing I'm reminded of is when I was learning Improv. There's a basic rule: "Yes and. . . ." You build on what is said. Obviously that makes disagreeing onstage touchy, but you can still do it on the fly, because there is no script in improv. But there's been an even bigger problem with you, you don't even "Yes and. . . ." yourself some of the time. Here's where people get so mad, your story has changed.

Arguing is NOT what democracy is about. Neither is the behavior of the Bernie crowd.

A democratic nation is richer in genius than any other nation because it releases genius.

looking for a place to apply . .

So go to any of the major communist/socialist organizations, Bernie has been a "Card Carrying" member of all. If you know any of the communist/socialist candidates for president in the past 5 decades, they'll know him: He was working for the campaign of all of them. Bernie is a neodemocrat, I'm not sure we've reached the first anniversary of his joining the party. Find his fellow communists, those he chose to join: you'll find those who always have known and always will know how to find him.

Put it this way: Obviously Obama lied about where he was born, either when he claimed he was born in Kenya or when he claimed he was born in Hawaii. We just don't know which. So now we can say Bernie lied either when he said all those years he WAS a communist, or now when he says he isn't.

I don't agree dominant heirarchies or monarchies, obvious or hidden are any more 'natural' than voluntary /free. In fact, voluntary /free may be the most natural, but the most difficult to 'pull off' properly/well. It does appear that is where we've been heading though, in many respects.

That doesn't change the fact that mankind, as with all creatures of nature, live naturally in a dominant hierarchy. Anything other than that is a construct of mans' intellect.

But why did someone put a pic of MY mouse pad . . .
Lol- ummmm the connection evident everywhere as we look deeper? Which is what the drawing symbolized to me and why I chose to apply it. Or could be I'm watching you? . . .

if you MUST make puke jokes, limit them to what's actually FUNNY.

Looking for application. . ..

(Ah, I gotta get to work on the paper (Post) I said I was going to post yesterday but the computer was so boggy when I got home. Going on so much on his is keeping me from it.)

It was in the theme of the inference that I must be the big brain in charge because you posted my mousepad. The world beneath my right hand. So people start the barf jokes.

But Escher was always a favorite of mine. . . .

 

[nutnspecial]

I guess I'll have to look into socialism more then. . .

And arguing VS debating Beg differ, but no need to argue here further our definitons for this discusttion though, imo- it almost seems tacky. But later.

. . .all creatures of nature, live naturally in a dominant hierarchy. Anything other than that is a construct of mans' intellect.

Interesting to consider. VS what though - I'm thinking you're hitting on the similarities of autocracy, plutocracy, democracy, etc etc at which point the labels are meaningless. That is a good thing tho imo. Also, perhaps we are unable to prove what is 'construct' and what is not.

But nevermind, I'm sure the new prez will fix all our issues with a majik potion.

 

[Dauntless]

Just think of the guy who knows he should pay the money he owes, but he argues because he wants to get out of it. Not a leg to stand on, right? The discussion sticks to the facts, while the argument depends on emotionalism, rejection of the facts, held together not by reason but by just keeping it up. The conclusion justifies the argument, even though the conclusion is wrong. Ain't life tough?

Oh because this thread is all things Bernie, it must be mentioned that the Bernie supporters are of course as negative as always. They went to NOT have a rally of their own but to disrupt the Hill's fund raiser. The Hill, you know, (Left of Bill)ary Clinton. . . .

As as she's driving up, oh this must have upset the Secret Service, they THREW MONEY at her. Of course that could never upset the person the money is thrown at, right? Then they start insulting George Clooney of all people. he was greatly confused that they would call him a corporate shill. But he broke down when they told him he made a lousy 'Batman.' I mean you know how Clooney lives for the love and support of his fans. Then look how Bernie supporters treat him. Imagine how bad they'll get if Bernie accidentally became president or something else that actually mattered.

We could have our own gossip show here. EMZ. Endless Media Zone.

 

[Chalo]

It's really funny how afraid you seem to be of Bernie Sanders. He's the first likely presidential prospect with apparent principles, integrity, and a sense of human decency all at the same time since Paul Wellstone, but this somehow scares you.

You know, there is always Putin's Russia for you to live in, if you can't accept Bernie's values. That seems more in line with your politics and ideals.

 

[zombiess]

More government = bad. They have the control and get to limit your choices in life. Don't like it tough, peacefully protest the abuse by withholding their share of your earnings = you go to jail.

Our freedom is an illusion granted to us by the masters that run the people farm (full of overwhelmingly fat and dumb people) known as the United States. Sit back and relax, the media and government will teach you exactly what you need to think and do. Don't bother learning anything, turn on your TV and watch more shows that will make you dumber.

I like some of Bernie's ideals, but socialism to the extreme has been proven to fail miserably every time. Pure capitalism is also a system that causes misery for people due to abuses, the balance is in between.

What I've seen from watching both Bernie and Trump talk is that Bernie supporters can be extremely vile hate filled racists that seem to only care about dividing the country into skin colored, sexually oriented groups and I find that disgusting.

So far Trump has my vote, but he could lose it at any time. I don't see myself ever voting for Bernie (too extreme and wants my hard earned money) or Hillary (morally corrupt politician aka typical). Ted Cruz is one of the most corrupt politicians in the race. It's amazing that people put their trust in someone that thinks an invisible being in the sky controls everything that happens. Scary.

If Bill Clinton ran again I would probably vote for him. Biggest complaint I had with him was the totally useless scary black gun ban.

 

[zombiess]

Could someone point me to the racist comments that Trump says? I've heard a lot of screaming from the hostile anti-trump groups that he and his supporters are racists, but I haven't seen it myself. I heard that someone wore a Ku Klux Klan outfit at one of his rallies, that's pretty disgusting but I heard that was a protester. That's some seriously crazy hate.

 

[mark5]

Could someone point me to the racist comments that Trump says? I've heard a lot of screaming from the hostile anti-trump groups that he and his supporters are racists, but I haven't seen it myself. I heard that someone wore a Ku Klux Klan outfit at one of his rallies, that's pretty disgusting but I heard that was a protester. That's some seriously crazy hate.

I'd like to know this too. I'm sure someone here can explain why Trump is a racist.

The KKK protester beating here:
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[1JohnFoster]

It's really funny how afraid you seem to be of Bernie Sanders. He's the first likely presidential prospect with apparent principles, integrity, and a sense of human decency all at the same time since Paul Wellstone, but this somehow scares you.

You know, there is always Putin's Russia for you to live in, if you can't accept Bernie's values. That seems more in line with your politics and ideals.

Kinda true. History is so bizzare. An evil empire is created in the name of ultimate equality and sharing. Commits the most atrocious crimes against humanity and is currently ruled by Mr Might Makes Right, and to f with you. The leading aspirant to leader of the "free world" is his twin, a born rich mediocre bozo posing as the ultimate meritocrat, offering as evidence physical stature and gift of the gab.

 

[1JohnFoster]

More government = bad. They have the control and get to limit your choices in life. Don't like it tough, peacefully protest the abuse by withholding their share of your earnings = you go to jail.

That's the theory you get on US TV, eh?

Welcome to Canada, your biggest trading partner, until you ditched us for cheap stuff from China. Canada was 50% socialist when I was a kid. There was no limit to my choices in life, I could have decided to be anything I wanted or was capable of. I peacefully protested a lot, and never went to jail. Our healthcare was great, our education was great, our social safety net was great. It was simple, it was called "sharing".

Then we got infected by your TV, and politicians started to rip it apart, deliberately mismanaging healthcare, strafing welfare and education to try to mash us down to the (not bargain!) basement standards of US. Feeding $$ to selfish corporate private healthcare, and cutting tax for the richest so that poor people's kids don't get the education that they got.

We still have great hospitals, great schools and less desperate hungry people on the streets than your supposed "greatest country in the world". Thanks to dedicated workers who still believe in a better world.

Sure, vote for trump, no better, vote for Cruz, and thoroughly disembowel yourselves.

 

[zombiess]

I got rid of my TV subscription long ago. TV = paying to watch a little bit of a really crappy TV show in between the commercials. People need to turn this crap off and become more fascinated with the world around themselves.

On the topic of Canada and health care, I've heard it both ways. I've met several Canadians / ex Canadians that absolutely hate the health care system there and I've talked to others that love it. I like that there is a basic level of care available to everyone personally.

If you look back through US history, it's pretty amazing how good we use to be before we had all these taxes, fees and fines for everything. In a few years we are going to need a permit to take a crap in our own homes due to it being some sort of XYZ pollution. This madness has to stop. The USA govt is going out of control and is now tyrannical.

China is raping us and many of our politicians are laughing at the spectacle (and in some cases placing the ball gag in our mouths) because they don't care. We are currently being invaded by Central and South America, people that live on the border are literally begging our Govt to enforce the laws and our useless jackass president keeps trying to usurp our legal process.

I don't think Trump could do a worse job than Bush + Obama.

 

[Chalo]

If you look back through US history, it's pretty amazing how good we use to be before we had all these taxes, fees and fines for everything. I

When was that exactly? I've already pointed out that the richest of us owed 80 to 91% tax on top marginal income during the economic miracle of the 1950s. If you consult the actual numbers, I'll think you'll find that our takes were different in the past, but not less. In our lifetimes, we've seen some of the historically lowest overall tax rates since the founding of the USA.

I think it's fair to characterize taxation of the laboring class as rather high over the last few decades, but overall that has not been the case. The results, which is to say economic stagnation and downward mobility for most, are clear.

We need to return to the basic principle that the winners should host the game.

 

[Dauntless]

It's really funny how afraid you seem to be of Bernie Sanders. He's the first likely presidential prospect with apparent principles, integrity, and a sense of human decency all at the same time since Paul Wellstone, but this somehow scares you.

It's really, REALLY funny how forgetful you are that your reputation precedes you when you post that. And that my mine precedes your effort to target me. But kinda scary that you don't get that.

If there's something that scares me it's how easily people like you fall for it. There are whole movements behind activities that he claims for his "Principles" and those movements reject him. They say he's on the wrong side of the issue. What scares me is the way you run down the road in a pack while bernie sits around and watches. At some point when you come back his way he jumps out in front of you and tells you he's leading the way. So easily do you fall for it.

If Bernie has such principles, why are his followers the kind of people who run around in KKK getup? Not just once. Why are his followers violent, threatening, hateful? These principlies of his bring that out? Bernie is running for 'Enabler in Chief,' oh the bad things they believe they can get away with while he's around.

It scares me that there's so may like you who can't be bothered to think.

You know, there is always Putin's Russia for you to live in, if you can't accept Bernie's values. That seems more in line with your politics and ideals.

So you choose to admit you're wrong when you lie about it. If I can't accept Bernie's values why would I want to be around Bernie's mentor? Ever read up on Putin's campaigning?

I've heard a lot of screaming from the hostile anti-trump groups that he and his supporters are racists, but I haven't seen it myself.

The moment Trump says something like stopping letting NEW Muslims into the country the UNPRINCIPLED, such as Bernie and his minions, begin to claim he's going to throw the Muslims already here out. A goofball in this thread said that, even. That wasn't from Trump. There's what Trump said, there's what the media claims he said, then there's Hillary flat lying that Trump spoke of pulling out of NATO after he'd specifically said 'NO' to that.

That's the theory you get on US TV, eh? . . . . vote for Cruz, and thoroughly disembowel yourselves.

No, the TV news is cowed. He's stating the facts as we witness them. You don't like Cruz? You got something against Canadians? Maybe it's Calgary, or Alberta you don't like.

Oh, Hillary Clinton handed a check for some obscene amount, half a million dollars or more, to this Chinese performance artist to do a show mocking the fall of the U.S. and performing it right there in Washington D.C. and handing him the check. This in the early days as Secretary of State. I don't really blame her PERSONALLY as this was the direction our government was determined to go. But there's no reason to like it. http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2015/05/11/chinese-govt-paid-bill-clinton-lucrative-speaking-fee-as-sec-state-hillary-made-asia-pivot/

True ignorance is not the absence of knowledge, but the refusal to acquire it.

Our knowledge can only be finite, while our ignorance must necessarily be infinite.

So both are true enough, but which is TRUER to you? I find the first to be the more relevant statement to how I live my life. Bernie supporters obviously embrace the 2nd, giving ignorance their love and the rest of us their hate. And while Popper would basically be right with this 3rd quote, it means tolerating the intolerant, such as Middle East and/or Bernie supporter terrorists. And that scares me. Why doesn't it scare YOU?

A quote of my own: If you tolerate the intolerant, only intolerance will be tolerated. It scares me that you support that.

 

[Dauntless]

So are you STILL voting for Bernie? I think Trump is right, Bernie should run as a 3rd candidate. If only because they're SOOOOOO rabid in support of him. But also because. . . .

 

[Arlo1]

More government = bad. They have the control and get to limit your choices in life. Don't like it tough, peacefully protest the abuse by withholding their share of your earnings = you go to jail.

Our freedom is an illusion granted to us by the masters that run the people farm (full of overwhelmingly fat and dumb people) known as the United States. Sit back and relax, the media and government will teach you exactly what you need to think and do. Don't bother learning anything, turn on your TV and watch more shows that will make you dumber.

I like some of Bernie's ideals, but socialism to the extreme has been proven to fail miserably every time. Pure capitalism is also a system that causes misery for people due to abuses, the balance is in between.

What I've seen from watching both Bernie and Trump talk is that Bernie supporters can be extremely vile hate filled racists that seem to only care about dividing the country into skin colored, sexually oriented groups and I find that disgusting.

So far Trump has my vote, but he could lose it at any time. I don't see myself ever voting for Bernie (too extreme and wants my hard earned money) or Hillary (morally corrupt politician aka typical). Ted Cruz is one of the most corrupt politicians in the race. It's amazing that people put their trust in someone that thinks an invisible being in the sky controls everything that happens. Scary.

If Bill Clinton ran again I would probably vote for him. Biggest complaint I had with him was the totally useless scary black gun ban.

How much do you make? Bernie only wants to tax the eleites not the middle class. Legalize weed, health care, brake up the big banks, go after wallstreat etc.
Bernie wants to help the lower and middle class so I am pretty sure he will help you make more money not less.

Trump is a absolute idot you need to look a little closer. He has caused so much shit is always talking but saying nothing!

 

[Arlo1]

Watch this to the end.

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[Arlo1]

A quick google search brings this up showing some of trumps racism http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-racist-examples_us_56d47177e4b03260bf777e83

 

[Arlo1]

Or how about this. http://www.marieclaire.co.uk/blogs/550112/donald-trump-quotes.html

Fact is you just need to watch him speak to see he is a f-en retard.

The only saving grace you have is the fact the whole government is a fraud and the person at the top is just on puppet strings. The ONLY PERSON WITH HOPE TO GET THE US OUT OF THE MESS YOU GUYS ARE IN IS BERNIE!

 

[Ratking]

In order not to get terminal cancer I had to stop reading all the spew about how Bernie can help anyone. He can't, please take the time to speak with people from the USSR about how good socialism is. But since you won't listen to me anyway, what about looking to Vermont where Bernie have been doing damage for years? Then think what kind of irreversible damage he will do to the whole world if he gets the chance. One should believe that he could do some good there, but companies and people that create value has been fleeing from Vermont. That should give you a hint of things to come. Socialism is for the lazy, power hungry parasites that prefers to leach of others hard earned values.

Just remember one thing, the ism in the world that has received the least criticism compared to how much suffering and killing it has done is socialism. It is the most evil and depraving system ever created, please do not support this utterly evil system. Do you really hate your fellow human being so much?