ice sheet losses in Greenland and Antarctica reach new highs

Hillhater said:
Since when did someone "speculating ". (IE guessing ?) that..
..."It MIGHT only take a few decades"... "IF " losses continue"....."I dont THINK" .... etc, etc..
Since when is that a basis for any conclusion ??
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When similar predictions from the past have been accurate.

I remember when deniers were mocking anyone saying that the Northwest Passage might open any time soon. "If!" "Maybe!" they exclaimed. "Ridiculous scaremongering!"

It opened in 2009. And the Nordic Orion, a ship too big to pass through the Panama Canal, made its first paying voyage in 2013.
 
Hillhater said:
Since when did someone "speculating ". . .
Since when is that a basis for any conclusion ??
Is that the type of "truth" that you tell to the next generation ?
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Since he's a troll and that's exactly the type of 'Truthiness' he tells everyone.
 
UH OH...the politicians seem to have a new scam policy idea , called :

THE GREEN NEW DEAL

If this gets passed, get ready for more taxation. Of course the politicians only do it, because they care so much for the environment and their constituents .


I fully trust greedy politicians to eliminate global climate change. You should trust them also.
 
GREEN NEW DEAL :

Green New Deal: Democrats will try to flex their new-found electoral muscle in Congress by pushing for what has been described as the "largest expansion of government in decades." It's called the Green New Deal, and it promises to be a major economic disaster if it ever becomes American land

Those who think the Green New Deal is just a political ploy or a Democratic Party marketing gimmick for hipster millennials are in bad need of a wakeup call. The Democrats' plans will deliver soaring federal spending, a near doubling of U.S. taxes, declining standards of living, and even more debt on top of the already-massive $21 trillion we've piled up.
As The Daily Caller's Michael Bastasch reports, "More than 40 Democratic lawmakers support the 'Green New Deal' as part of a broad plan to fight global warming and bring about what they see as 'economic, social and racial justice.' " No doubt, more will sign on in the coming weeks.
The scary thing is, the public, which knows next to nothing about the details of this plan, like it. A poll conducted by Yale's Program on Climate Communication and George Mason University's Center foo Climate Change Communication this month shows that 92% of Democrats and 64% of Republicans backed the plan.

But calling it a Green New Deal is really misnomer. It's really a starter package for turning our mostly free-market economy socialist. And no, that's not hyperbole.
Green New Deal = Socialism
The GND starts with moving the energy grid to 100% renewable energy, something that will take highly efficient fossil fuels and replace them with highly inefficient "renewables" at a cost of about $5.2 trillion over 20 years. But that's not all. Not by a long shot.
The plan also wants job guarantees for those who lose their jobs due to the Green New Deal. That will be a lot of people. No estimate on that, but its cost too could go into the trillions.
But those who push this plan also seek a guaranteed minimum income and universal health care. Although those have nothing to do with "green" anything, it merely reveals that the real goal isn't "green" at all — it's socialism.
It turns out some have already researched the issue and made estimates of the costs.
The Mercatus Center last July looked at socialist Sen. and Venezuela admirer Bernie Sanders' "Medicare for All" plan, which the Democratic Party seems on its way to supporting. It would cost just under $33 trillion over a decade, in addition to what we already pay for health care. The sums involved are staggering.
An Enormous Price Tag
Meanwhile, hedge fund manager and guru Ray Dalio estimates that a guaranteed minimum income of just $12,000 a year would cost $3.8 trillion.
So let's do the basic math. Those two programs alone would cost $7.1 trillion a year. That compares with total federal spending in 2018 of $4.2 trillion.
That means at current levels spending would have to increase by 170%. So would taxes, by the way.
We wonder, are all those people who think a Green New Deal is a really nifty idea understand that?
Speaking of taxes, one of the favorite ways to fund this green socialist scheme is through a national carbon tax, which Democrats have already introduced in Congress. The Congressional Budget Office estimated that a $25 per ton carbon tax would be a $1.1 trillion per year tax increase. "The carbon tax bill is a massive and continually ratcheting national energy tax," reported the nonpartisan Americans for Tax Reform.
Not only would it be economically destabilizing and create massive inefficiencies in our economy, costing us hundreds of billions in output a year, but it also would expand the federal government's reach into every private pocket book and every American business. We'd be Greece, without the charming ancient ruins.
That the main political force behind this fiscally insane plan is Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, the just-elected, extreme-far-left New York congresswoman, shows just how foolish it is. She hasn't served a single day in Congress, and yet desperate Democrats have lined up to follow her lead. It only shows how utterly bereft of common-sense the party has become. Once the party of the middle-class and working Americans, it is now a party of academic elites, faux revolutionaries and billionaires. It's completely out of touch with real people and the real economy.
A 'Green Raw Deal'
We repeat: Don't be fooled. This has nothing whatsoever to do with the environment, and everything to do with socialism. Ocasio-Cortaz says the Green New Deal is about "social and racial justice." No it isn't. It's a Green Raw Deal that will impoverish millions, destroy businesses and jobs, and end individual rights as we now know them.
Simply put, the socialism at the heart of this "new deal" amounts to centralized control of the economy and the people who work in it. For the record, countries that adopt socialist policies have a knack for suddenly finding themselves in an unexpected run of "bad luck" that lasts decades. Venezuela, Zimbabwe, North Korea, Cuba all come to mind.
 
Hillhater said:
The “green” movement becomes more like a religeous cult every day.
Impossible to rationalise with using facts or real data.
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I am convinced, corrupt govts will soon find a new way to tax us peons, even more, in the name of stopping climate change. These corrupt politicians are always seeking new ways to raise revenues/ taxes and the global warming scam is the perfect " next step " to raise trillions of dollars in new taxes.
 
Hillhater said:
Remember, the stated objective of the UN IPCC, is the fundamentally change the economic basis of the Western world.
Their plan is to do that by the Carbon Tax system.
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That is one option they have proposed. Not a bad one, if it is administered well. It's no different than any other tax/tax break intended to drive behavior, from the deductions from children and mortgages to the taxes on cigarettes.
 
Influencing /changing behaviour is one level, not much more than raising taxes for defense or health care , etc etc.
..But to have a declared intention to dismantle the entire economic framework and redistribute the "wealth" by extreme and unjustified taxation .....is a whole new ball game.
 
Hillhater said:
Remember, the stated objective of the UN IPCC, is the fundamentally change the economic basis of the Western world.
Their plan is to do that by the Carbon Tax system.
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Yep. sometimes these corruptors will admit the evil behind their plans.


In 20 years from now, the experts " models and claims" may revert back to a prediction that the next ice age has once again become the global threat.


I cant believe, grown adults do not realize that most politicians are more concerned about taxation and revenues, then the well being of their supposed constituents.

GEE....THE HONEST, MORAL AND HUMANE POLITICIANS, WANT TO TAX US MORE, TO STOP CLIMATE CHANGE . :lol: :lol: :lol:

I think the volcano KRAKATOA recently erupted again. I wish the corrupt politicians could figure out a way to put a carbon tax on volcanos .
 
PROOF THAT CLIMATE CHANGE IS CAUSING WIDESPREAD AND CATASTROPHIC WEATHER PATTERNS TO EMERGE. :lol: :lol:



NOAA - report just released. This climate change thing needs to be solved quickly...TAX THE DUMMIES IN SOCIETY !


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for the first time since official records began in 1950, there were no "violent" tornadoes in 2018 in the United States, according to NOAA . Both the number of Americans killed by tornadoes – and the number of violent tornadoes in the U.S. – set record lows that have previously stood for decades. Tornadoes only killed 10 Americans in 2018, the fewest since unofficial records began in 1875 during the administration of President Ulysses S. Grant.
 
Hillhater said:
Influencing /changing behaviour is one level, not much more than raising taxes for defense or health care , etc etc.
..But to have a declared intention to dismantle the entire economic framework and redistribute the "wealth" by extreme and unjustified taxation .....is a whole new ball game.
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In Bill Vons liberal la la land of California, using such forceful liberal policies upon us slaves, is a dream come true.

Bill doesnt seem to understand, there are 10s of millions of Americans, who do not wish to be victimized by the insane liberal policies, both he and CA supports.

This is a big problem with many libs in California. They have this sick mindset, that since they accept liberal policies that intrude upon their rights, then other people should accept those insane policies. Its almost as if, many libs in CA, want to forcefully spread their liberal sickness to other people and other states in America.

Ill explain it like this : If you like liberal laws that take away or limt your constitutional rights, in CA , then so be it...I wont try and change those liberal laws you embrace in CA , but dont dare try and force those same liberal laws upon other people in other states, whom despise the policies in CA.


If I wanted to live under continual insane liberal policies, I would relocate to CA. I dont like the policies, therefore I dont want those policies being forced upon me or my location.

I think CA just passed another new law, concerning the sale of dogs or something. Evidently, CA , needs to have the biggest forms of intrusive govt, to control the residents in that state. Im fine with that, but keep it in CA. Evidently most of the population there, loves these liberal policies.
 
billvon said:
Hillhater said:
Since when did someone "speculating ". (IE guessing ?) that..
..."It MIGHT only take a few decades"... "IF " losses continue"....."I dont THINK" .... etc, etc..
Since when is that a basis for any conclusion ??
Click to expand...
When similar predictions from the past have been accurate.

I remember when deniers were mocking anyone saying that the Northwest Passage might open any time soon. "If!" "Maybe!" they exclaimed. "Ridiculous scaremongering!"

It opened in 2009. And the Nordic Orion, a ship too big to pass through the Panama Canal, made its first paying voyage in 2013.
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Climate change must be responsible for the newest tornado reports for 2018 also ?

Unfortunately, { for the climate change lunatics } it was a positive outcome, with the data showing the LOWEST number of violent tornados in decades and lowest number of deaths , dating back to the 1800s.

OMGGGGGGGGGGGGG.....CLIMATE CHANGE IS COMING....IT WILL KILL ALL OF US....PLEASE MR POLITICIAN, RAISE MY TAXES AND SAVE HUMANITY AND EARTH. WE DUMB PEONS IN SOCIETY, FULLY TRUST YOU TO TAX US EVEN MORE, FOR THE SAKE OF HUMANITY, AND WE ALL KNOW YOU WILL USE THOSE TRILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN EXTRA TAX REVENUES, HONESTLY, WITH INTEGRITY AND FOCUS.
 
rumme said:
PROOF THAT CLIMATE CHANGE IS CAUSING WIDESPREAD AND CATASTROPHIC WEATHER PATTERNS TO EMERGE. :lol: :lol:



NOAA - report just released. This climate change thing needs to be solved quickly...TAX THE DUMMIES IN SOCIETY !


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for the first time since official records began in 1950, there were no "violent" tornadoes in 2018 in the United States, according to NOAA . Both the number of Americans killed by tornadoes – and the number of violent tornadoes in the U.S. – set record lows that have previously stood for decades. Tornadoes only killed 10 Americans in 2018, the fewest since unofficial records began in 1875 during the administration of President Ulysses S. Grant.
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Its interesting when I reflect back, years ago, when I fully embraced the climate change scenario the experts and people like Al Gore were preaching { yes, back when I was a democrat, I completely believed the climate change fiasco} . I used to read reports by these so called climate experts, where they adamantly declared things like tornadoes would not only increase in frequency , but they would be much more violent in nature.

OPPSSSSS.....looks like the experts got it wrong - AGAIN !


But hey, it must be great to be naïve, and fully accept it, when these same experts tell us that by the year 2060 , global climate change will cause the icebergs to melt, the oceans to rise 12 inchs and average global temperatures to rise by 10 degrees....blah ..blah blah…Keeping in mind, that only a few decades ago, it was GLOBAL COOLING AND THE ICE AGE, they told us we had to be fearful of.


You have to be a total moron to trust these bullshit artists and the crap they predict will happen due to climate change and their pathetic attempts to not only blame it all on humans, but to also try and convince us to TRUST corrupt politicians to tax us even more, to save humanity in the name of climate change.
 
Hillhater said:
Influencing /changing behaviour is one level, not much more than raising taxes for defense or health care , etc etc. ..But to have a declared intention to dismantle the entire economic framework and redistribute the "wealth" by extreme and unjustified taxation .....is a whole new ball game.
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You could define income tax in the US exactly the same way. If you had a political axe to grind, of course.
 
New reports from NASA- we could be seeing record cold weather/cooling :

As ive said before, it wont surprise me 1 bit to see the so called experts, soon claiming we are at risk of entering a new ice age/ global cooling. BUT I FULLY SUPPORT CORRUPT LYING GREEDY POLITICIANS TO PUT NEW TAXES UPON ALL OF US, TO ONCE AND FOR ALL STOP CLIMATE CHANGE, WHICH HAS BEEN HAPPENING FOR EONS.

Politicians are ready to move forward on " THE NEW GREEN DEAL " in 2019 . Hopefully enough people in America are as alert as people in paris to these new scam taxes.


Old saying : Its easier to lie to a person, then convinced them they have been lied to . Its easier to fool a person, then convince them they have been fooled. Us humans hate to admit, that we may have been hoodwinked, especially when it comes to issues regarding politics, religions or global warming. Make no mistake about it, the global climate change hysteria is about govt finding ways to create trillions in more revenues/taxations.

https://www.iceagenow.info/lack-of-sunspots-to-bring-record-cold-warns-nasa-scientist/
 
Article quote :

" NASA has actually admitted that there may be a link between the solar climate and the earth climate. “In recent years, researchers have considered that the sun plays a role in global warming. After all, the sun is the main source of heat for our planet,” Nasa confirmed. Despite the constant stories of how recent years have been the hottest, historically, NASA has estimated that four of the 10 hottest years in the U.S. were actually during the 1930s, with 1934 the hottest of all. This was the Dust Bowl; the combination of vast dust storms created by drought and hot weather."
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Yeah, I used to be a typical global warming democrat , then the more I researched, the more I had to admit, that I was possibly being hoodwinked , mostly for the sake of allowing corrupt govts, to have a excuse to add trillions of dollars in new taxation, under the false premise of saving humanity and earth from global climate change. I had to admit, that AL GORE was also a habitual liar, making false predictions about global warming, AND he was making millions of dollars spreading his hysterias, while he flies around the globe, in his private lear jet.

Trillions of dollars in more taxes, will not stop global climate change , nor will it stop your corrupt politicians from using private lear jets, and massive motorcades involving fossil fuel vehicles.
 
This new politician fully supports putting massive taxes on you, under the false pretenses of stopping global climate change. PUT YOUR COMPLETE TRUST IN HER, SHE SURE LOOKS SANE TO ME. :lol: :lol:




2019 = the year of THE NEW GREEN DEAL . Your corrupt politicians are behind the scenes, scheming together, to ensure they come up with a bunch of new laws , to ensure more taxes upon you and me. This isnt the answer.

The real answer to better conservation and less pollution by humans, is not trillions in taxes , to be corrupted and stolen by politicians . The answer is education and incentives to try and get more humans to conserve more, and pollute less.

As far as climate change is concerned, IT WONT BE STOPPED, not even by corrupt politicians or raising your taxes.
 
MJSfoto1956 said:
One of the great features of ES is the ability to hide obnoxious trolls who just keep repeating the same conspiratorial denier drivel, ad nauseam. By blocking just one or two folks, ES is now much more enjoyable to read. YMMV.
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Did you mean to say ?

" One of the great features of ES is the ability to hide posts by other people who have different views then me and provide evidence as to why my views may not be 100% correct "


OMG...Now Nasa says we may be entering a cool down period....LOL...the global warming morons dont like hearing that , and neither do corrupt politicians who want to put more taxes upon dummies in society.
 
Dont worry, the global warming buffons, are gonna get your taxes raised, just like you wish . Your corrupt politicians guarantee it . They have a plan, and their plan wont stop global climate change, but it will raise trillions in new taxes and provide those corrupt politicians with huge financial kickbacks from lobbyists behind the scenes.

Then once they raise your taxes for global warming, dont expect for those new taxes to ever be revoked. The govt doesnt like to eliminate a new revenue stream it has created based on taxation. If people are stupid enough to support new climate change taxes , then be prepared to be fleeced even more ,by corrupt govt, under the guise of climate change , till you die.
 
About ten hours ago:
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www.longrangeweather.com/global_temperatures.htm. Interesting article, form your own opinion.
 
slacker said:
www.longrangeweather.com/global_temperatures.htm. Interesting article, form your own opinion.
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Hmm. That shows worldwide temps going below average between 1991 and 2016. In fact, between 1991 and 2016 no year was LESS than .2C above average - and all were higher than the temperature in 1982, which the graph claims was higher. Also, the .9F drop they claim didn't happen.

I wonder what else is wrong with it?
 
This is something I realized some people do without thinking but for others its a radical if not practically unusable method of looking at or thinking with when examining climate change..

That is, looking at real-world data, like food production.
Food production in Australia just keeps getting better every year with constant "record harvests" of all types of foods.

One of the main climate change claims is crops yields will fail massively..
https://www.smh.com.au/business/markets/wa-harvest-records-look-set-to-be-broken-just-not-the-big-one-20181130-p50jj1.html
https://www.abc.net.au/news/rural/2018-08-23/record-grain-harvest-potential-for-wa-farmers/10152200
https://www.weeklytimesnow.com.au/news/tasmanian-country/tasmanian-crops-break-australian-harvesting-records/news-story/c8697d65f2cfc6e3cc25ca175fa42e9a

There is so much money now in politically powered green groups that the corruption in the system is fascinating.
For instance, there was a guy paid over $40,000 to turn off the air conditioning/cooling/systems inside a live sheep export ship so they could "film animal cruelty", when in fact the paid activists basically created the animal cruelty in the first place.
https://www.perthnow.com.au/news/australia/cash-for-cruelty-claims-over-live-export-footage-ng-b881076639z
It's just like paying scientists to find weather/temp abnormalities, I am sure you can find them if you look hard enough, but the in the "real-world" there isn't anything to look at because food production etc is only going up not down.

There are so many points of proof that climate change is about political power because the leftist political groups that aline to it ignore far more effective carbon reduction technologies
Because "on average" extreme wind-farm/solar deployment in Germany at (55GW's capacity wind farm) still ends up burning coal/gas so frquently that on average Germany emits 10 times more CO2 than Nuclear based France.

10 times difference in emissions via two different technologies is massive.
If France and Germany were two different vehicles, and we were comparing emissions on these two vehicles, then Germany look would like a complete joke.
But this is what we do with renewables vs nuclear tech, we ignore the real world data on an insane level, why? Because its all about politics/money, and political power gains.

Leftist/Green groups know the real-data co2 emissions of technologies, for some its their job, and can quickly be seen by looking at any kind of real-world data energy sites and charts like these below.
So what the leftists/green groups are really saying by being pro-renewables only, is ultimately they think climate change is bullshit, or else they would be jumping up and down for next-gen nuclear. Instead, its all for money and political power, its a type of political/money powered cancer.
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http://environmentalprogress.org/big-news/2017/2/11/german-electricity-was-nearly-10-times-dirtier-than-frances-in-2016
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To me, this weird insanity is ultimately caused by traditional broadcast mainstream media, its the end result of having too much power controlling peoples minds by repeating bad information.
The corrupting power of mainstream broadcast media will always be abused in ways the typical human mind can't imagine.
The fix to this problem is to make all media IP-streaming based only.
This way more competition exists with more voices and opinions out there then just typically two major voices.


Then on top of Leftist political-groups at the same time directly campaign for things that increase co2 emissions, like mass immigration and increasing population.
According to TheGuardian, when a 3rd world person moves to the 1st-world their carbon footprint increases by roughly massive 60x times!
So 1 million new migrants is 60million times more co2! 1 million new immigrants is just 4 years worth of Australian migration (Australia take 250k new people each year on average, the highest per capita anywhere in the world)
https://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2011/jan/31/world-carbon-dioxide-emissions-country-data-co2
 
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