Is Kavanugh guilty of the accusations ?

[rumme]

now the childish and silly photo shopped pics of Ford and Kavanaugh are hitting the internet. Each side of the political isle will post a silly photo, as some meager attempt to claim their side is right and the other side is wrong.

 

[Voltron]

What was striking to me was that separate from whoever you believe, was the way that he defended himself. The squirming, the outrage, the crying, the whole over the top emotional aspect wasn't very judge like in my eyes.

 

[Voltron]

And I recommend to everyone before you're tainted by the spin to actually watch it all end to end and judge for yourself..

 

[dustNbone]

And I recommend to everyone before you're tainted by the spin to actually watch it all end to end and judge for yourself..

You're suggesting people educate themselves with the evidence available to them before forming an opinion?

Next you're going to suggest they consider the sources of that evidence and ALSO take that into account.

Funny stuff man.

 

[rumme]

And I recommend to everyone before you're tainted by the spin to actually watch it all end to end and judge for yourself..

You're suggesting people educate themselves with the evidence available to them before forming an opinion?

Next you're going to suggest they consider the sources of that evidence and ALSO take that into account.

Funny stuff man.

Much of it is based upon her claims vs his claims. Lets face it, many people have already made up their minds, even before todays testimony. Your not gonna see masses of repbs changing their opinons or masses of dems changing their opinions. Our society is not objective, especially in politics. Looks to me, that both sides at the hearing, had inconsistencies .

I will be surprised, if he gets the nomination .

 

[dustNbone]

I think you're right. The Republicans have to know they're profusely bleeding female voters by the minute as long as this goes on, and that's ultimately what they will base their decision on. A balancing act between getting their guy on the bench vs their chances of winning the mid terms.

 

[rumme]

I think you're right. The Republicans have to know they're profusely bleeding female voters by the minute as long as this goes on, and that's ultimately what they will base their decision on. A balancing act between getting their guy on the bench vs their chances of winning the mid terms.

Now, the question for me is...if Kavanugh is not nominated, what will the dems do to stop the next rep nominee that Trump suggests for SCOTUS ?

 

[dustNbone]

I haven't seen any evidence to suggest these women coming forward was a conspiracy on the part of the Democrats. I assume lying in a congressional hearing is illegal, so if there was intentional deception on the part of the witnesses I'd insist (if I were an American) that prosecutions take place.

Which side is the resistance to a federal investigation of their claims coming from?

 

[rumme]

I haven't seen any evidence to suggest these women coming forward was a conspiracy on the part of the Democrats. I assume lying in a congressional hearing is illegal, so if there was intentional deception on the part of the witnesses I'd insist (if I were an American) that prosecutions take place.

Which side is the resistance to a federal investigation of their claims coming from?

One of the most important things revealed today at the hearing, for me , was when 1 republican held up a slip of paper, ,. saying it was evidence that the dems are already getting ready to disprove of the next candidate Trump may suggest for SCOTUS. If this is true, its quite revealing .

After watching the hearing, It did not seem to me, that many republicans were truly giving support to Kavanaugh. In fact, 1 of them didn't even use their allotted time, and he forefeited the rest of his time and handed it over to another democrat to rip Kavanugh some more. I almost got the impression, that Kavanaugh may have been a sacrificial lamb of sorts.


Very odd.

 

[rumme]

I haven't seen any evidence to suggest these women coming forward was a conspiracy on the part of the Democrats. I assume lying in a congressional hearing is illegal, so if there was intentional deception on the part of the witnesses I'd insist (if I were an American) that prosecutions take place.

Which side is the resistance to a federal investigation of their claims coming from?

Can the FBI truly be trusted to do a fair investigation, after they botched the Hillary investigations and the supposed evidence of their hatred of Trump ? I think not.

 

[dustNbone]

Isn't the Director of the FBI a Trump appointee?

 

[rumme]

Isn't the Director of the FBI a Trump appointee?

Not sure but if he is, I would guess the FBI is still loaded with a lot of trump haters .

Did you see the 1 republican that held up a slip of paper, claiming it was evidence that dems are ready to fight the next person trump appoints ? If thats true, then that is quite telling.

 

[dustNbone]

I don't see the problem with them opposing Republican nominees to the court, that's basically their job. Unfortunately the political climate seems to be such that everything the other side does must be met with maximum opposition and obstruction.

It's been that way since at least 2008 when the Republicans publicly stated their intention to obstruct everything the Obama administration tried to accomplish.

What I would have a problem with is them doing so in contravention of the law, and that's something that should be dealt with by the appropriate federal law enforcement agencies.

 

[rumme]

I don't see the problem with them opposing Republican nominees to the court, that's basically their job.

Shouldn't it be more based on the qualifications of the appointee ?

I say this, for both sides of the aisle.

 

[dustNbone]

Sure, that would be fantastic. But currently I don't think it's realistic.

The Republicans went a hell of a lot further than opposing an Obama appointee to the SCOTUS, they straight up prevented the nomination from taking place at all. Sight unseen, qualifications be damned, they said publicly no matter who he nominated they would reject them.

It's hard to lean on one side to play nice when the other side has made it absolutely clear they have no intention of doing the same.

 

[rumme]

Sure, that would be fantastic. But currently I don't think it's realistic.

The Republicans went a hell of a lot further than opposing an Obama appointee to the SCOTUS, they straight up prevented the nomination from taking place at all. Sight unseen, qualifications be damned, they said publicly no matter who he nominated they would reject them.

It's hard to lean on one side to play nice when the other side has made it absolutely clear they have no intention of doing the same.

Yeah, its a circus . But I still would like to see a SCOTUS that doesnt become to lopsided that it results in more of our rights taken away. Id be happy with a stalemate.

 

[dustNbone]

I really don't think you have to worry too much about your constitutional rights, in particular the 1st and 2nd amendment ones. I have not seen any credible politician on either side of the aisle seriously suggest taking everyones guns away, on the surface that's just madness.

Any federally mandated gun control would be very specific and minimal and even that is decades away if it ever happens at all.

Even here in Canada, gun ownership isn't that restrictive. A look inside my gun safe would dispel any suggestion that Canadians aren't allowed to have big scary guns. We do try to keep them out of the hands of the certified nutwads, and we're not allowed to carry them to Starbucks with us, but short of automatic assault weapons, if you have the appropriate training to keep them safely, there's not much you can't have.

My AR15 clips are pinned at 5 rounds. BooHoo. If there's ever a breakdown in society and I feel the need, that's pretty easy to correct.

But all considered, I'm pretty content with most of the restrictions, especially after being able to contrast the relative safety they provide to what goes on south of me. Guns everywhere for everyone doesn't equate into safety. If it did, I'd be all for it. Same goes for capital punishment and mass incarceration. The results are not positive for society.

 

[rumme]

My wife thinks he will get the nomination , I dont. Either way, I think things are gonna get much uglier from here on out. This is a world of many deceptions and those deceptions are gonna be harder to spot with the use of technology , photoshop, CGI, video tampering and audio tampering.

 

[spinningmagnets]

Over the years, I have seen many curious actions in Washington, and later it was revealed that there had been some odd calculations made behind the scenes in the hopes of making some progress in something that I compare to a complex 3D chess game.

A possibility is that Kavanaugh was a carefully selected candidate, because...either he gets confirmed, or if he doesn't?...his repudiation greases the way for the "real" candidate (Trump has already posted a list of his possible candidates (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump_Supreme_Court_candidates).

I can't help but to notice that there are some women on that list.

Meg Ryan
Allison Eid
Diane Sykes
Joan Larsen
Amy Coney Barrett (age 46, the likely next up)

Clarence Thomas was nominated by a Republican president, and although doing that did not likely gain the Republicans any new African American votes, I don't think that was the purpose. If we imagine that next week, Congress is presented with one of these five women as their next SCOTUS candidate...and should she be confirmed, I doubt it would gain the Republicans any new female votes. Female citizens who voted Democrat will still vote Democrat.

However, such an action can play well to purple voters (not hardcore red or blue). EVERYthing that is being done is Kabuki theater for the cameras, and it is focused on the mid-term elections in November. Whether any one of Trumps decisions are good or bad, gaining more Republicans seats in congress gives Trump more power. If Democrats gain a majority on one or both houses (HoR and Senate), then Trump will be handcuffed during the last two years of this term.

After November, remember that...half of the people who can vote just stay home.

 

[rumme]

spinning...I agree....I TOLD my wife yesterday, that watching the hearings, seemed to me the possibility that Kavanugh was a sacrificial lamb, to allow the next appointee to get nominated . The republicans testimony did not seem sincere enough to me yesterday . Of course this is just a theory , but if he doesnt get the position, it may give a bit more legitimacy to the theory and then one would have to wonder if Kavanugh may have been a willing sacrificial lamb or unwilling participant.


There was 1 republican, that started talking, and then didnt even use up his alloted time , and handed it over to another democrat to rip in Kavanugh some more. I just found many things to be odd.

In the end, us peons in society are left guesssing on what is really happening. TPTB are masters of deceptions, divide and psychology . Their social experiments upon us work well.

 

[rumme]

My wife thinks he will get the nomination , I dont. Either way, I think things are gonna get much uglier from here on out. This is a world of many deceptions and those deceptions are gonna be harder to spot with the use of technology , photoshop, CGI, video tampering and audio tampering.

Well, as of right now, im winning the bet with my wife.

FWIW, try to keep in mind the things I mention about TPTB starting to weaponize CGI=PHOTOSHOP in the near future. This technology can be used to make anyone look guilty of anything and im betting it is gonna make a already toxic situation, more toxic and more untrustworthy.

 

[DrkAngel]

Ford's testimony + Kavanaugh's Yearbook x his willingness to lie, makes his guilt a near certainty.

Copying a couple listings from the T-Rump thread ...

What a soap opera it has become, only with huge consequences. Makes one wish it were only a campy Hollywood movie.

[youtube]d0b7G8bYb2g[/youtube]

 

[DrkAngel]

Alternative history ... ?
Testimony states that Judge "accidentally saved" Ford from being raped.
Ford also testified that Judge had, previously, always been cordial towards her.
During the "attack", Judge, at times, tried to discourage Kavanaugh and "locked eyes" with Ford, and, for a moment, she thought he might help her.
For some inexplicable reason, Judge repeatedly jumped on her and Kavanaugh, eventually knocking him off her, allowing her escape.
I know Judge might be despicable alcoholic womanizing scum ... but, what if, once, just once, he saved a young girl, on purpose?

At the least, it appears that Ford left a door open for Judge to claim a moment of humanity and bring Kavanaugh to justice by denying him becoming Justice to the Supreme Court.

Would it not be the ultimate irony for Judge, an alcoholic, drug addled "fallen" member of society, to deny Kavanaugh the Justice(ship) by bringing him to justice.

 

[DrkAngel]

Had to post it up ...

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[e-beach]

From the man who dropped the October surprise that got Pres. Chump elected.

Although the process is deeply flawed, and apparently designed to thwart the fact-gathering process, the F.B.I. is up for this. It’s not as hard as Republicans hope it will be.

F.B.I. agents are experts at interviewing people and quickly dispatching leads to their colleagues around the world to follow with additional interviews. Unless limited in some way by the Trump administration, they can speak to scores of people in a few days, if necessary.

They will confront people with testimony and other accounts, testing them and pushing them in a professional way. Agents have much better nonsense detectors than partisans, because they aren’t starting with a conclusion. ......snip
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/30/opinion/james-comey-fbi-kavanaugh-investigation.html