Is Kavanugh guilty of the accusations ?

markz said:
He is guilty in the public's eye, which could have been her goal or not.
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Her goal?
 
Early indications point to a cursory FBI investigation including ... not Ford - no interview!
Only 4 reported interviews, with no follow-up on listed potential witnesses!
 
markz said:
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How long has it been since the events that occurred?
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Not nearly as long as attempted rape has been a crime.
 
markz said:
36 year old alligation

[youtube]https://youtu.be/42YWLnCErOs?t=32[/youtube]
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No statute of limitations where it happend.
 
markz said:
36 year old alligation
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Alligators can live for 50 years, so not that surprising that they'd be alligating for that long.

If you meant allegation, yes - it was 36 years ago. (Although she has spoken about it previously, so it's not new.)
[youtube]https://youtu.be/42YWLnCErOs?t=32[/youtube]
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Did you seriously just post a link to FOX News, the propaganda arm of the White House?

Next thing you know you'll be posting a link to one of Kellyanne Conway's "alternative facts" speeches.

The question, initially, was simple. Did Kavanaugh attempt to rape Ford 36 years ago? We'll probably never know with any certainty.

But since then the questions have changed. A second assault charge has surfaced. This makes it more likely that he was the kind of person who did such things. And Did Kavanaugh lie under oath to try to keep the US Senate from finding out the truth with regard to his past? It is looking more and more like he did.

When asked if he was at the party, for example, he stated “I never attended a gathering like the one Dr. Ford describes in her allegation." However, an entry discovered in his own calendar stated that he went to "Timmy’s for 'skis w/Judge, Tom, PJ, Bernie, Squi” on Jul 1st that summer. Squi (Chris Garrett) was Ford's boyfriend at the time, and the other people were all people that Ford mentioned were there.

He stated "I did not drink beer to the point of blacking out." Several people he went to school with, including his college roommate, have disputed that. One student who lived in his dorm stated "I definitely saw him on multiple occasions stumbling drunk where he could not have rational control over his actions or clear recollections of them." In fact, as recently as 2001 his emails talk about getting belligerent and not being able to remember what happened: “Excellent time! Apologies to all for missing Friday (good excuse), arriving late Saturday (weak excuse), and growing aggressive after blowing still another game of dice (don’t recall)."

After the second alleged sexual assault (putting his penis in Deborah Ramirez's face) he stated that he only heard about the allegation after the New Yorker story came out on Sept 23. However, texts between Kerry Berchem and Karen Yarasavage reveal that Kavanaugh's team was trying to suppress the story about Ramirez well before Sept 23. Clearly an attempt to suppress a story BEFORE he claimed to have heard about it is both a lie and a very unethical thing to do.

So we have several instances of Kavanaugh lying to the Senate, which is a felony. Committing felonies in an attempt to get into office is probably a good reason to look for someone else for the highest court in the land.
 
Alleged Incident Took Place: Summer 1982

2012: While at couples therapy with her husband, Ford told the Post she described the alleged incident in detail for the first time.
she talked during their 2012 sessions about the incident, mentioning Kavanaugh's last name and that he was a federal judge who might be on the Supreme Court eventually.

Allegations Become Public: September 14, 2018


Very interesting details.
 
markz said:
Alleged Incident Took Place: Summer 1982

2012: While at couples therapy with her husband, Ford told the Post she described the alleged incident in detail for the first time.
she talked during their 2012 sessions about the incident, mentioning Kavanaugh's last name and that he was a federal judge who might be on the Supreme Court eventually.

Allegations Become Public: September 14, 2018
Very interesting details.
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Indeed. It pretty much blows the "she's doing it just to sink his Supreme Court nomination" claim out of the water.
 
Fox news/ CNN/MSNBC are more entertainment networks then news networks. The reality is the rightwingers are gonna side with fox"s 1 sided propagandas and the dems are gonna side with CNN/MSNBC propagandas.

As far as Kavanugh , I thought his testimony was unimpressive but I surely am suspicious of the democrats timing of this fiasco. If one digs deeper, there is a ton of info online claiming that Ford is a 3rd generation CIA mole, with her parents being deeply involved in the CIA. Its also being said FORDS internet history had been largely erased prior to these hearings.


Should Kavanugh be held liable for his drinking/ partying decades ago and his conflicting testimony about those things last week ? Well, the problem is this, Hillary was allowed to get off with her numerous lies and illegal actions. This sets the precedent that if she gets a free ride, then why shouldn't others ? Maybe one day, I will live to see a democrat admit that both Hillary and Kavanugh should be held to the rule of the law.


Im starting to think, the best solution for society, is to send al the democrats, homos, lesbians, trans-sexuals, illegal immigrants to places like California that seem to embrace insane laws . Let them all live by liberal lunacy like spreading HIV to each other and its only a misdemeanor.

Of course now the demonrats are saying they are not happy with this new FBI investigation...so this makes 7 total FBI investigations into Kavanaugh . How come the demonrats were happy with the investigation into Hillary ? Oh, thats right, Hillary was excused of her lies and illegal actions.

Its simple, anyone that plays the 1 sided political game, needs to understand, that you cannot expect the law breakers on 1 side of the political party, to be held responsible, when the law breakers in your party are not held responsible, and YOU are willing to sit by and make excuses for the lawbreakers on your side of politics to get a free pass. If Hillary is allowed a free pass, then you open the door for Kavanaugh to be deceitful about his partying days from 36 years ago.

I cant believe how evil and untruthful the democratic party has sunk. I say this fully admitting that I was a democrat supporter for decades. Now I am ashamed of the party. Maxine waters, Feinstein, schummer and Pelosi should retire and join Barnum Baileys circus. I would compare their evils to Mcain, Bush Sr and Bush Jr , but at last those 3 evil doers are not involved in the GOP anymore.
 
Preliminary reports indicates the FBI investigation was Hogtied and effectively castrated.
Allowed, possibly, as few as the only 4 reported interviews with no followup on the 20, or more, indicated-named witnesses!
Not even Ford or Kavanaugh were interviewed!

There are multiple reports of people wishing to testify and being turned away-ignored by the FBI.
 
Its endlessly dismaying listening to people harp on about objectivity, rule of law, and innocent until proven guilty, and the jump right into Hillary crimes, and lock her up or the whole moral fabric of the universe will be ruptured!

I'm no Hillary supporter.... I thought she was a terrible candidate. But she been investigated multiple times by hostile questioners and there has never been found to be any actionable crimes.
What objective sources are you getting your info shes guilty of something from Rumme? How come you aren't defending her possible innocence? (since none of us can know and weren't there, which is your usual dodge when presented with situations you don't seem to support...)


Re Kavan-ugh getting in front of the FBI, after all the times he dodged volunteering to be interviewed, and all the times he perjured himself, my impression is the you would have to hold a gun to his head to get him under oath to the FBI.
 
DrkAngel said:
Preliminary reports indicates the FBI investigation was Hogtied and effectively castrated.
Allowed, possibly, as few as the only 4 reported interviews with no followup on the 20, or more, indicated-named witnesses!
Not even Ford or Kavanaugh were interviewed!

There are multiple reports of people wishing to testify and being turned away-ignored by the FBI.
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Gee, look, another demonrat that is unhappy because Kavanaugh may have not been found guilty of the charges that YOU want him to be convicted of .

So this makes 8 FBI investigations into Kavanaugh. Amazing that the other 7 investigations by the FBI into Kavanaugh did not uncover any malfeasance either

Were you this upset when Hillary was not found guilty of her crimes ?

Admit it, your mind was already made up about Kavanaugh even before this latest accusation came forth. You already formed the opinion that you did not want Kavanaugh in SCOTUS. We could have 20 FBI investigations into Kavanaugh, and if all of them came back that he did NOT commit rape, you and your demonrat friends would still be whining like lil girls.

FWIW, Kavanaugh evidently supported laws that allowed our GOVT to spy on U.S. citizens and for that reason alone, im not a big fan of Kavanaugh, BUT, we have now had 8 FBI investigations which evidently did not disclose any type of rape history. So the demonrats want to see Kavanaugh convicted of felonies for misrepresenting his drinking habits, but those same demonrats gave Hillary a free pass for her NUMEROUS lies about her server/ classified info / and trying to rig the election against Bernie sanders. Give me a break.

Its very simple, if you play the game of 1 sided politics and support/ ignore the malfeasance from your political side , then you should expect other people to play the same game from their political side.
 
Voltron said:
Its endlessly dismaying listening to people harp on about objectivity, rule of law, and innocent until proven guilty, and the jump right into Hillary crimes, and lock her up or the whole moral fabric of the universe will be ruptured!

I'm no Hillary supporter.... I thought she was a terrible candidate. But she been investigated multiple times by hostile questioners and there has never been found to be any actionable crimes.
What objective sources are you getting your info shes guilty of something from Rumme? How come you aren't defending her possible innocence? (since none of us can know and weren't there, which is your usual dodge when presented with situations you don't seem to support...)


Re Kavan-ugh getting in front of the FBI, after all the times he dodged volunteering to be interviewed, and all the times he perjured himself, my impression is the you would have to hold a gun to his head to get him under oath to the FBI.
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You live in a delusion. Hillary wiped her server clean, during the course of a FBI investigation { according to numerous reports} . She was also given debate questions beforehand, to get a edge of Sanders...this was ADMITTED by one of her staff. This is just a few examples of her malfeasance.


People have a choice...continue to be 1 sided assholes playing the political games of insanities, or start demanding that ALL politicians , judges be held to the law and same standards. Of course this wont happen, so we continue onwards with the social experiments , lies and political agendas that work so well on a naïve society. Just like the idiocy of only criticizing FOX NEWS for its bias, while ignoring the bias of CNN/MSNBC.


If this 8th FBI report, comes back with irrefutable PROOF of rape, then Kavanaugh deserves the consequences. If not, then the demonrats will be able to cry and whine some more. Its amazing how the demonrats put up with Obamas lies for 8 years..like YOU CAN KEEP THE INSuRANCE POLICY YOU WANT .
 
So you don't believe the FBI investigation into Hilary, but you do believe the one on Kavan-ugh? That doesn't sound very objective...


And I always love people throwing around things like delusional, and continue to be assholes, and idiots... thus implying they see so clearly that they are the only non idiot deluded asshole...lol.

The air sure must be nice up there on Olympus...
 
DrkAngel said:
Preliminary reports indicates the FBI investigation was Hogtied and effectively castrated.
Allowed, possibly, as few as the only 4 reported interviews with no followup on the 20, or more, indicated-named witnesses!
Not even Ford or Kavanaugh were interviewed!

There are multiple reports of people wishing to testify and being turned away-ignored by the FBI.
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and of course, you are gonna 100% believe any and all reports, that support your 1 sided political bias ? What a shocker. Guess what, the rightwingers are gonna do the same asinine thing you are doing, by full supporting all reports that the FBI did a thorough investigations. So once again, at the end of the day, its your 1 sided political bias vs another sides opposing political bias. You claim your opinion is correct, because you embrace the info YOU hope is correct, and the people from the other side of the aisle, do the same thing to support that their opinion is correct. Pretty silly, aint it ?


Even FLAKE { who is largely a RINO} is now saying no info in this new FBI report on rape, has come forth. Whether hes innocent or guilty, the demonrats dont care, they just want to stop him from getting SCOTUS. We could have 50 more investigations, and if they all came back clean, the demonrats would be crying.
 
Voltron said:
So you don't believe the FBI investigation into Hilary, but you do believe the one on Kavan-ugh? That doesn't sound very objective...
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It is proven, the FBI was hoping for Hillary to win the elections. This is not my bias, it is the bias of the FBI. There are endless texts, emails that have been revealed to prove this, and many of them are not even refuted by the FBI...in other words, the FBI agents admit their bias.


It is also proven that many agents hated Trump and were against him winning . Now, my question to you is, dont you think such blatant bias , leads to the real possibility of protecting Hillary ?
 
So in the end, this isnt about more investigations . The demonrats dont care about the process, or the possible victim, they just care about having their political agenda met, which is making sure Kavanaugh doesnt get the position.

Truly pathetic. What has happened to the democrat party ?
 
All that was proven was a few agents were humans with political opinions, and no evidence they acted on them, just like the many Trump supporting agents, that there is also no evidence they did anything nefarious either.
 
Voltron said:
All that was proven was a few agents were humans with political opinions, and no evidence they acted on them, just like the many Trump supporting agents, that there is also no evidence they did anything nefarious either.
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You people just dont get it. You are on a merry go round , a hamster wheel . Anyone that thinks Hillary was completely innocent, and that Kavanugh is completely guilty, or vice versa , is just a victim of the social experiments, political divide agendas. This latest FBI report, may claim there is no EVIDENCE of rape...are you gonna accept that and stop whining about Kavanugh ? Of course not. You only want to accept the supposed evidence, that supports YOUR political bias. This is the same game embraced by most of society. Its a losing game.
 
And not sounding too objective there Rumme... after all, as you have written multiple times, how can we peons know any of the truth of whats going on anyway? How do you know they not just running mind ops on you to get you to hate "demonrats"? Aren't you afraid you're just emotionally responding to possibly false info? I mean, you do warn against the dangers of that in nearly every post?
 
Voltron said:
All that was proven was a few agents were humans with political opinions, and no evidence they acted on them, just like the many Trump supporting agents, that there is also no evidence they did anything nefarious either.
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Im gonna change a few of your above words , so you can maybe see things from the other side of the aisle, using your silly political tactics :

" All that was proven, was that Kavanaugh was a typical 17 year old teenager, that likes to drink beer and go to parties" There is no evidence at all, from 8 FBI investigations, that he is a rapist"

See how easy anyone can play the same political bullshit game you are ?
 
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