Is Kavanugh guilty of the accusations ?

[rumme]

And not sounding too objective there Rumme... after all, as you have written multiple times, how can we peons know any of the truth of whats going on anyway? How do you know they not just running mind ops on you to get you to hate "demonrats"? Aren't you afraid you're just emotionally responding to possibly false info? I mean, you do warn against the dangers of that in nearly every post?

I dont give a damn if Kavanugh gets the nomination. I think its more important for society to wake up from their slumber, and realize the games they are being fed by TPTB. For most democrats, this is about denying him the nomination, and for most rightwingers, this is about him getting the nomination. Most people already formed their opinions on Kavanaugh, even before this supposed rape accusation was brought forth. So once again, I ask, this makes 8 FBI investigations into Kavanaugh, how many more do we need, to satisfy the demonrats ? Maybe the demonrats need to tell us, which, if any, republican they would support for SCOTUS. If the answer is NONE, then we know you cannot be trusted to be objective.

 

[DrkAngel]

My objection to Kavanaugh has nothing to do with Democrats.
He is a proven liar, with possible alcoholic history, probable sexual perversion and assaults ...
appointed by a braggadocios woman assaulter and the Father-of-Lies ...
who I do want appointed to the highest law of the land!

Twould be a corruption of the basic morals of the country.

 

[Voltron]

My objection to Kavanaugh has nothing to do with Democrats.
He is a proven liar, with possible alcoholic history, probable sexual perversion and assaults ...
appointed by a braggadocios woman assaulter and the Father-of-Lies ...
who I do want appointed to the highest law of the land!

Twould be a corruption of the basic morals of the country.

Agreed, it was his temperament that he disgraced himself with.. not the accusations.

 

[Voltron]

Rumme, you seem pretty upset with people for not believing all the FBI investigations into Kavanugh, but not disbelieving the FBI investigations into Clinton. Has something changed that has suddenly made you believe them more?

 

[markz]

Good points all around.

Yes Kavanugh is a liar about his drinking history, is he an alcoholic? who knows!
If he lied about his drinking what else has he lied about. Who else has Kavanugh screwed over while being a judge!
Any power hungry individual can do a lot of damage, and they don't care who they hurt or fuckover. They may have good intentions, but their first taste of getting away minor things, leads to getting away with major things and the snowball builds up.

Fords accusation and her 2012 talk with couples therapy counsellor, seems that she had a plan prior to 2012 and obviously knew of Kavanughs career and his career trajectory most likely a decade or two prior.

 

[rumme]

Good points all around.

Yes Kavanugh is a liar about his drinking history, is he an alcoholic? who knows!
If he lied about his drinking what else has he lied about. Who else has Kavanugh screwed over while being a judge!
Any power hungry individual can do a lot of damage, and they don't care who they hurt or fuckover. They may have good intentions, but their first taste of getting away minor things, leads to getting away with major things and the snowball builds up.

Fords accusation and her 2012 talk with couples therapy counsellor, seems that she had a plan prior to 2012 and obviously knew of Kavanughs career and his career trajectory most likely a decade or two prior.

I thought Kavanughs testimony was poor. But I aslo thought Fords testimony was poor. Both of them have inconsitencies . Kavanughs drinking habits, and even Ford, that said she was fearful of planes/flying, but then it was revealed she has taken vacations all overt the world, flying by planes.

In the end, we are left with the same ole bullshit...her word vs his word and then society gets to play the game of division and political bias.


In the end, you will most likely find, that the people who dislike Kavanugh now , after the rape accusation, did not really like him before the accusation was brought forth and the rightwingers that fully support him, did so before and after the allegations.


Not much changes when it comes to the human character, bias and flaws. Most of us pick and chose the supposed info, that best supports what we WANT to be true/ happen, and ignore opposing views.


I ask again , to all the democrats , is there ANY republican you would support for SCOTUS ? If so, tell us the name.


In the end, its just political bullshit, the democrats in our govt and most of society, will resist any republican appointee for scotus , just like when democrats are in the white house and the rightwingers resist their SCOTUS picks.


Its a circus of bullshit. Im happy with any SCOTUS pick, that doesnt take away anymore of our rights and freedoms.

 

[Voltron]

What freedoms and rights has the Supreme Court taken from you lately?

 

[rumme]

What freedoms and rights has the Supreme Court taken from you lately?

I dont remember making the claims that lately they have , and I want it to stay that way , which is why im happy with a stalemate in Scotus.

Furthermore, you and the other democrats do not answer my questions...like which republican would you fully support for Scotus pick ?

Ive asked this question a few times, and so far, not one response. This is even more indication that this isnt about rape or victims, its about political agendas from the democrats. Maybe all these deomcrats that are inciting violence in society, and at rallys/protests , can get together and tell us which republican judge they will support for Scotus. Hows that for a starting point ?

 

[Voltron]

You wrote "take away anymore of our rights and freedoms". To me that means you believe some rights have already been taken, or perhaps you actually meant take any of our rights. To which I ask, what rights do you think will be taken?

P.S. I'm not a member of the Democratic Party, though you often seem to make the assumption that those who find flaws in your reasoning are.

Also... judges are supposed to be apolitical... theres not supposed to be Republican judges and vice versa.

 

[billvon]

In the end, its just political bullshit, the democrats in our govt and most of society, will resist any republican appointee for scotus , just like when democrats are in the white house and the rightwingers resist their SCOTUS picks.

As it should be - it should be adversarial. There should be a ton of scrutiny on any Supreme Court nominee.

At some point the Republicans will be able to find someone who the Democrats cannot find any dirt on. That will be a good thing, and we will get a better nominee because of that process.

 

[rumme]

In the end, its just political bullshit, the democrats in our govt and most of society, will resist any republican appointee for scotus , just like when democrats are in the white house and the rightwingers resist their SCOTUS picks.

As it should be - it should be adversarial. There should be a ton of scrutiny on any Supreme Court nominee.

At some point the Republicans will be able to find someone who the Democrats cannot find any dirt on. That will be a good thing, and we will get a better nominee because of that process.

I like the idea of democrats suggesting a republican pick for SCOTUS, and republicans doing the same thing when Democrats are in the white house. This puts pressure on each side, to prove they arent so biased they cant make logical decisions on such issues. I think there are better options then Kavanaugh .

Ive asked dozens of local people who are regiestered democrats, which republican would they pick, for SCOTUS over Kavanaugh. So far, I havent gotten any real answers. I understand democrats despise Kavanaugh, so give us a better alternative from the republican choices.

 

[rumme]

In the end, its just political bullshit, the democrats in our govt and most of society, will resist any republican appointee for scotus , just like when democrats are in the white house and the rightwingers resist their SCOTUS picks.

As it should be - it should be adversarial. There should be a ton of scrutiny on any Supreme Court nominee.

Yes, but how can we, in society, know when the game is taken to far , and accusations become made up, just to cause libel and destruction ? I agree that it looks like Kavanaugh was a party boy and part of the social elite class of spoiled offspring , but rape accusations are serious shit and if such allegations are not true, it is gonna start a train wreck of more and more false accusations coming from both parties. Kavanugh denies the rape accusations, and 7 FBI investigations do not uncover rape. So when do we actually have enough evidence to convince people that he was not a rapist ? The answer ? for most democrats, they will never believe he is innocent. This is the tragic cycle of social experiments and political programming we fall victim to.


Now, the problem is this, if he is innocent of the accusations, can he be trusted to not hold a grudge against his accusers/ democrats and be a good choice for SCOTUS ?

 

[billvon]

Yes, but how can we, in society, know when the game is taken to far , and accusations become made up, just to cause libel and destruction ?

When they are libelous. I have not seen anyone serious suggesting that either Ford or Ramirez made up their accusations just to cause libel and destruction. (And indeed there is good evidence they did not.)

I agree that it looks like Kavanaugh was a party boy and part of the social elite class of spoiled offspring , but rape accusations are serious shit and if such allegations are not true, it is gonna start a train wreck of more and more false accusations coming from both parties.

It was not a rape accusation, it was an attempted rape accusation. (He was interrupted.) And it looks like it is both true and unprovable, since it was 36 years ago.

Kavanugh denies the rape accusations, and 7 FBI investigations do not uncover rape.

1) There was no rape accusation.
2) There was only 1 FBI investigation, and they did not even talk to the woman Kavanaugh attempted to rape, nor did they get the evidence she offered to them, nor did they talk to any of the other witnesses who offered their input. Per several people with connections to the FBI, the FBI was instructed by the White House to do a token investigation and find nothing.

So when do we actually have enough evidence to convince people that he was not a rapist ?

Right now. He's not a rapist. Judge interrupted him before he could actually rape Ford. No one has accused him of rape.

The answer ? for most democrats, they will never believe he is innocent. This is the tragic cycle of social experiments and political programming we fall victim to.

I'd say it's more the tragic consequence of someone who gets drunk and tries to assault women.

Is it sad? Yes; he's probably a decent guy now, and has learned the lessons of his past. Had he not lied about it, it would likely have been a much smaller issue.

Now, the problem is this, if he is innocent of the accusations, can he be trusted to not hold a grudge against his accusers/ democrats and be a good choice for SCOTUS ?

Probably not. Not because of any grudge he may hold in the future, but due to his own words when he lashed out against everyone from Chuck Schumer to Hillary Clinton.

 

[rumme]

LOL...Amy Schumer supposedly arrested,


Didnt alot of these liberal hollywood, spoiled types, promise they were moving to a new country if Trump got elected ?

Oh, another liberal lie exposed.

 

[markz]

not supposed to be Republican judges and vice versa.

But they are!

 

[rumme]

I wouldn't be opposed to another person being appointed by Trump. Lets see if a new prospect would be more accepted by the opposing party.

 

[DrkAngel]

Well, Kavanaugh is scum and should be dumped, but also, the Democrats must respond to the Republicans hijacking Obama's Supreme Court appointment.
I think, rightly, it only fair, as a direct response, the Democrats block Trumps appointment.
There should be consequences to such a perversion of Congressional protocol.

 

[billvon]

Didnt alot of these liberal hollywood, spoiled types, promise they were moving to a new country if Trump got elected ?

Yep. Probably in the same numbers that Republicans left after Obama was elected.

 

[rumme]

Didnt alot of these liberal hollywood, spoiled types, promise they were moving to a new country if Trump got elected ?

Yep. Probably in the same numbers that Republicans left after Obama was elected.

I wonder how accurate your assumption is, realizing that Hollywood is largely a liberal type clique .

 

[TheBeastie]

It's easy to spot the Democrat voter or the Republican voter or the folks that sit in the middle.
It's the tribalistic bias that takes over the logic part of the brain to make a decision, because the human brain is quite literally not wired for logic, but for survival via tribes.

Most people get heavy on either politic sides because their parents pounded it into them, for others it can be other family members or peers, but usually once its set in its permanently locked in their brain like concrete. The final type of political nut is one that has some kind of financial gain from one side or the other.

And it's the same everywhere in politics around the world, because I grew up in another country it's technically easier for me to argue a less bias point of view in US politics as long as I have seen all the same information you guys have seen.

I been wondering if the folks who don't take strong sides in politics actually reserve the tribal part of their brain instead for supporting sports teams, watching football supporters etc is the about the only other time we see brutal tribalism at play.
This is a theory I have, swinger voters are big sports fans, as in they save all that tribalism in their brain for sports. Or it could be they are both brutally tribal in politics and sports and sports is a great way to spot them.

This is why I absolutely love this video, because when you argue with folks who really don't seem to have *any* logic behind their argument this video it helps to understand their mindset.
This video explains that these people are using the most primitive part of the brain and that is tribalism-logic, and as far as their brain is concerned there argument/point-of-view is one of pure life or death, at least somewhere deep down inside they feel that way.

https://youtu.be/S74C-XF9kYY

[youtube]S74C-XF9kYY[/youtube]
^This video got around 20million views on Facebook, but only about 100k on YouTube. This is because folks don't search the web much, they are still brutally in the habit of just simple swiping on their phones and letting simple algorithms decide what the see and thus think, no different than sheep/cattle in a paddock.

I have been thinking about the issue outlined in the video above for over a decade and what I realize is how hard and vicious bias sits in the human mind, and even if you fight for pure logic inside your head for 10 years there are rivers of bias trying to flood your judgement when you least suspect it.
Bias is one of the hardest things any human can try and overcome.

This is why I am a supporter of free open market internet information or "fake news", because folks need to learn how to spot fake news themselves, this is a great way to force people to think more, it helps fight bias.

Information on the internet is only beginning, Alex Jones is just the beginning on information on the internet, and the more of a "free open market" we have on information on the internet the more accurate and less time wasting it will get. The reason why it's bad right now is that its just begun, it's like the first few seconds of the "big bang" in the universe, it's going to need time to settle.

The worst thing that can happen right now is let authorities use their bias to judge who and who can't say things on the internet, this is direct blocking of the open free market media process, and this process is crucial for the long-term health of good information on the internet.

This video from the same guy "Social Good Now" mostly argues the same point of view I have https://www.facebook.com/sogoodnow/videos/817679601755941/

The internet is changing all media, but slowly, you can now watch the most useful bits from traditional mainstream media conveniently on Twitter or Youtube/Facebook, they are fighting for your eyes, and their traditional way of trying to make u watch their TV shows all day is a thing of the past, the war on information is very slowly forming into who can give the best most accurate information in the shortest amount of time. This will take time, the worst thing that can happen is have the process interrupted with biased internet giants deciding right now what people should and shouldn't see.

 

[billvon]

I wonder how accurate your assumption is, realizing that Hollywood is largely a liberal type clique .

Here are 37 who threatened to leave (go to Australia specifically) -

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/jwherrman/37-people-who-say-theyre-moving-to-australia-if-o

 

[rumme]

I wonder how accurate your assumption is, realizing that Hollywood is largely a liberal type clique .

Here are 37 who threatened to leave (go to Australia specifically) -

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/jwherrman/37-people-who-say-theyre-moving-to-australia-if-o

Looked thru the names. These people are well known famous people ? I sure as hell didn't recognize most of the names. Then again, I havent been to the movie theatres in over 20 years and usually only watch nature shows on tv.

 

[DrkAngel]

FBI investigation highlights
9 total interviews
Ford not interviewed
Kavanaugh not interviewed
Judge not interviewed
40 volunteer corroborating witnesses not interviewed
Alcohol use-abuse not investigated

I believe we have a right to know exactly what objectives and restrictions the FBI were forced to work under!


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FBI Investigation Sham

 

[DrkAngel]

Only 1 1000 page copy of Kavanaugh investigation.
Size of Bible?
Access restricted!
Senators allowed to view in 1 hour intervals
Republicans get 1st view - incriminating pages got stuffed into Republican's pockets?

Democrats decry report as horrifically limited and woefully incomplete, a sham, a farce!

 

[rumme]

I will still be surprised if he gets the nomination. I think it would be better for our political systems and society as a whole for another less controversial person to be appointed. If he gets the job, I guess we can expect to see more violent protests and conflicts between the right/ left.


Wonder where this is all headed and what things will be like in 2020.

Epic times we are witnessing.