Is Kavanugh guilty of the accusations ?

[rumme]

I will still be surprised if he gets the nomination. I think it would be better for our political systems and society as a whole for another less controversial person to be appointed. If he gets the job, I guess we can expect to see more violent protests and conflicts between the right/ left.


Wonder where this is all headed and what things will be like in 2020.

Epic times we are witnessing.

The satire in this comment, is really starting to hit home :

Life's short. Make sure you spend as much time as possible on the Internet arguing with strangers about politics.

 

[rumme]

Ive got a $100 bet with my wife, that Kav wont get the job. Looks like I may be a $100 less wealthy tommorrow . :lol:

 

[DrkAngel]

With 1 Rep. Senator being absent, Kavanaugh's fate rests on the turning of 1 Senator.
Will 1 Senator grow a backbone and resist T-Rumps foot no the neck of the Republican party?

 

[TheBeastie]

To me it's clear Kavanaugh is innocent and a victim of establishment power. Will be interesting to see how long left-side mainstream media continues to suggest he is a rapist.

The thing I think about above all else is that it's going to cause a higher probability/ratio of real victims of rape to not get justice. Because if some rapist sees the right opportunity to commit rape on a woman that looks a bit nutty they are going to refer to the Kavanaugh case and just say that she is a lying nut job when in fact accused really did commit rape.

So technically the real rapist is really Christine Blasey Ford, because she is diluting the allegation power of real rape victims by doing what she did.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christine_Blasey_Ford

Imagine if this whole Kavanaugh debacle came out just before the first allegation against Bill Cosby came out, Bill Cosby probably wouldn't have even seen the inside of a court-room.
If it wasn't for the fact some of the victims of Bill Cosby were quasi-famous celebrities probably nothing would of happened in the first place. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Cosby_sexual_assault_cases#Table_of_accusers'_allegations

Pretty good video on the whole issue here.
https://youtu.be/d8umM4VSsEA

[youtube]d8umM4VSsEA[/youtube]

 

[e-beach]

To me it's clear Kavanaugh is innocent and a victim of establishment power. ......

No, he did it all right. It will all come out later, but being on the final (highest) court in the land, his ideas of rich people and corporations are always right and ordinary people are always wrong will do a lot of damage when he votes that everything should go to the richest of the rich and screw all other living creatures, man, women, child and other animals. It is a very dark day in America.

 

[rumme]

Once again, for any of us in society { that wasn't present at the so called party 35 years ago} , to claim we are 100% positive that either Ford or Kavanaugh is telling the truth on the allegations, is absurd. Testimony from both parties had flaws and each of us in society is once again forming opinions largely based upon our political/ individual agendas- bias- and the info we chose to embrace from 1 side or the other. Posting data from Fox news, or CNN or youtube videos , isnt the end all answer to the accusations. People who hate Trump and Kavanaugh were never gonna be happy with this situation just like diehard rightwingers are likely to criticize Fords credibility and the exact timing of these accusations as being political warfare and claim those things prove Ford is lying.


Evidently, Kavanaugh has a history of being involved in both the Bush and Clinton criminal dynasty of the past. It is because of this and other reasons, I was not a huge fan of him as Trumps 1st choice for SCOTUS this time around. But just like I can be critical of him, it also seems that Ford and her family have ties to CIA, democratic agendas , which then also seems suspicious.


Hopefully Kavanugh doesnt screw around with laws like roe-wade and will defend the constitution. As a former democrat, I just wish more democrats would admit some of Trumps positive things. For example, give him some credit for a economy which seems to be very strong, more jobs, lower unemployment , strong markets, working with North Korea, trying to fix trade deals and also wanting stronger borders. IMHO, these things benefit our nation and working Americans. To ignore these positive elements is being close minded . Sure, I believe Trump has engaged in adultery and lies, but to ignore the positive things currently happening is not very objective. I am good friends with several business owners { some are lifelong democrats} and all of them have admitted to me that business is BOOMING right now. I would also urge people to do some research about the massive child trafficking rings that are supposedly being tracked down and busted up. You wont hear about it much on mainstream tv media, but if you do a internet search, there are tons of articles discussing it. Read about it, and see if you think its legitimate. I have a few personal friends in my life, that I trust and that have verified its true { and they would know due to their line of employment } , and this is a very positive aspect going on under this current administration .

 

[DrkAngel]

Kavanaugh is in ... T-Rump got his Supreme Court Justice who believes the President can not be held liable for criminal actions!

This appointment-confirmation will come back to haunt the Republican party and, indeed, the entire nation.

 

[DrkAngel]

T-Rump and Kavanaugh both are products of "The Privileged Class" who seem to believe that laws, and indeed morals, do not apply to them.

The unwavering support from the Republican Party and most notably white evangelicals, despite deep and prevalent moral and ethical transgressions-histories leads me to believe that they have figuratively-literally(?) sold their Souls to the Devil.

Any cost-price-alliance to get what they want!

 

[rumme]

T-Rump and Kavanaugh both are products of "The Privileged Class" who seem to believe that laws, and indeed morals, do not apply to them.

Luckily this cannot be said about any of the democrats.

 

[e-beach]

Brett Kavanaugh Cannot Have It Both Ways

As the former dean of Yale Law School, I’m shocked by the judge’s partisan turn.

By ROBERT POST

October 06, 2018

Brett Kavanaugh and I differ on most fundamental questions of constitutional law. Nevertheless, as a former dean of the institution where he received his law degree, I have withheld comment on the merits of his appointment. I am proud of the rich diversity of views that Yale Law School has produced.

Over the past decade, Kavanaugh has been a casual acquaintance. He seemed a gentle, quiet, reserved man, always solicitous of the dignity of his position as a judge on the United States Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit. It was therefore with something approaching unbelief that I heard his speech after Christine Blasey Ford’s testimony.

With calculation and skill, Kavanaugh stoked the fires of partisan rage and male entitlement. He had apparently concluded that the only way he could rally Republican support was by painting himself as the victim of a political hit job. He therefore offered a witches’ brew of vicious unfounded charges, alleging that Democratic members of the Senate Judicial Committee were pursuing a vendetta on behalf of the Clintons. If we expect judges to reach conclusions based solely on reliable evidence, Kavanaugh’s savage and bitter attack demonstrated exactly the opposite sensibility.

I was shell-shocked. This was not the Brett Kavanaugh I thought I knew. Having come so close to confirmation, Kavanaugh apparently cared more about his promotion than about preserving the dignity of the Supreme Court to which he aspired to join. Even if he sought to defend his honor as a husband and father, his unbalanced rantings about political persecution were so utterly inconsistent with the dispassionate temperament we expect from judges that one had to conclude that he had chosen ambition over professionalism.

His performance is indelibly etched in the public mind. For as long as Kavanaugh sits on the court, he will remain a symbol of partisan anger, a haunting reminder that behind the smiling face of judicial benevolence lies the force of an urgent will to power. No one who felt the force of that anger could possibly believe that Kavanaugh might actually be a detached and impartial judge. Each and every Republican who votes for Kavanaugh, therefore, effectively announces that they care more about controlling the Supreme Court than they do about the legitimacy of the court itself. There will be hell to pay.

I was in the end prompted to write this essay because on Thursday Kavanaugh published a remarkable editorial in the Wall Street Journal in which he apologized for his rash words and attempted to reclaim for himself the “independence and impartiality” so necessary for judges. But judicial temperament is not like a mask that can be put on or taken off at will. Judicial temperament is more than skin-deep. It is part of the DNA of person, as is well illustrated by Merrick Garland, who never once descended to the partisan rancor of Kavanaugh, despite the Senate’s refusal even to dignify his nomination with a hearing.

Judge Kavanaugh cannot have it both ways. He cannot gain confirmation by unleashing partisan fury while simultaneously claiming that he possesses a judicial and impartial temperament. If Kavanaugh really cared about the integrity and independence of the Supreme Court, he would even now withdraw from consideration.

But I see no evidence that he is about to withdraw. Kavanaugh will thus join the court as the black-robed embodiment of raw partisan power inconsistent with any ideal of an impartial judiciary. As the court moves to the right to accommodate Trump’s appointments, Kavanaugh will inevitably become the focus of distrust and mobilization. His very presence will undermine the court’s claim to legitimacy; it will damage the nation’s commitment to the rule of law. It will be an American tragedy.

 

[rumme]

For every online article on the internet , that gives negative opinions of Kavanaugh from a supposed close acquaintance, one can easily find similar articles from other supposed acquaintances that give positive opinions. So we once again end up with the hamster wheel effect of picking and choosing the side that best aligns with ones agendas.

In the end, most peoples minds are made up, so posting such useless articles is not gonna sway anyone .


So I guess we will now see the build up to the impeachment issue. Either way, im $100 poorer and my wife is $100 wealthier . I did not think he would get the nomination.

 

[DrkAngel]

The difference between Kavanaugh associates stories, pro and con are that the pro Kavanaugh are generalized, all nearly identical and tow the party line-image. (Ring-of-Lies or "canned" authorized comments)
"Con Kavanaugh" stores are individual with personal details and the ring of 1st person accounts. (Ring-of-Truths)

 

[rumme]

The difference between Kavanaugh classmates stories, pro and con are that the pro Kavanaugh are generalized, all nearly identical and tow the party line-image. (Ring-of-Lies or "canned" authorized comments)
"Con Kavanaugh" stores are individual with personal details and the ring of 1st person accounts. (Ring-of-Truths)

I dont think Kavanaugh was the best choice for SCOTUS, but im not about to proclaim he had traits of a serial gang rapist . The man has had numerous FBI investigations and background checks over the last decades { which alone, may not mean much, when you have a corrupted FBI/CIA } . Fords testimony was not compelling to me and then we have to factor in the DEMS using Ford for political purposes.

Yes, I think Kav was a spoiled person and probably did a lot of partying, drinking , but those things do not equate to the felony accusations he was slammed with, just a few weeks before his nomination. Using Kavs high school yearbook, as a feeble attempt to indict him of being a sexual predator, was pathetic. This episode may have hurt the dems even more and if it has, my only hope is the dems will clean up their act, and get better leadership then is currently in charge.


Lessons learned from all this ? When woman are sexual abused , they need to speak up immediately and file reports. Do not wait decades, and then allow yourself to become a political puppet for 1 party .

 

[DrkAngel]

Using Fords high school yearbook, as a feeble attempt to indict him of being a sexual predator, was pathetic.

... ?
Do you mean Kavanaugh's High School Yearbook?
Where he lists his own High School accomplishments"

Voluminous beer drinking
Multiple references to drinking and no remembering
Record breaking vomiting, presumably from voluminous beer drinking
Sex with a team sex willing girl (14 claim conquest of her in yearbook)
Engaging in a 3 way sex encounter including another boy
A mindset towards girls of FFFFF "Find them, French them, Finger them, frock them, Forget them"
Anal sex-alcohol-drugs

 

[rumme]

Using Fords high school yearbook, as a feeble attempt to indict him of being a sexual predator, was pathetic.

... ?
Do you mean Kavanaugh's High School Yearbook?
Where he lists his own High School accomplishments.

Yes, my typing error.....Il go fix it.

Kavs yearbook may have proved he drank a lot of alcohol, was spoiled and often immature, but this does not equate with rape accusations.

Nov elections will be interesting. Id rather have a virtual stalemate, because I dont like any 1 party taking over completely, but IMHO, the dems may have hurt themselves with this Ford scenario and the way they handled it. I think the best thing that could happen to the dem party, is for 4 or 5 of the main talking heads to retire or lose to another dem candidate. When Schumer stood up at the podium many months ago, and did his crocodile tears for some immigrant that was denied entry into the U.S. { or something like that } , that when I decided the dem party had now become to pathetic and not worthy of my support anymore.

Strong borders benefits this nation and our American citizens and this should be accepted and embraced by both parties. Strong borders works for other nations like Israel, so the U.S. has every right to do the same.

 

[e-beach]

For every online article on the internet , that gives negative opinions of Kavanaugh from a supposed close acquaintance, one can easily find similar articles from other supposed acquaintances that give positive opinions. ........

Some opinions hold water.

As the former dean of Yale Law School, I’m shocked by the judge’s partisan turn.

 

[dustNbone]

Bright side:

Anyone who has been close to an alcoholic can take one look at that mans face and know he's got a drinking problem.

So his lifetime appointment probably won't be as long as most.

 

[e-beach]

hummm, got to ask the pastor if praying for liver disease is kosher.

:lol:

 

[billvon]

Kavs yearbook may have proved he drank a lot of alcohol, was spoiled and often immature, but this does not equate with rape accusations.

Agreed. It just equates to him drinking very heavily, often to the point of vomiting and blacking out. Which, in turn, supports claims that Kavanaugh was lying under oath.

Nov elections will be interesting. Id rather have a virtual stalemate, because I dont like any 1 party taking over completely, but IMHO, the dems may have hurt themselves with this Ford scenario and the way they handled it.

I am more impressed by people who stick to their principles and lose than people who abandon any morality in a desire to win. But everyone's different.

When Schumer stood up at the podium many months ago, and did his crocodile tears for some immigrant that was denied entry into the U.S. { or something like that } , that when I decided the dem party had now become to pathetic and not worthy of my support anymore.

I take it you took Kavanaugh's (and Boehner's) crocodile tears as indications they were worthy?

Strong borders benefits this nation and our American citizens and this should be accepted and embraced by both parties. Strong borders works for other nations like Israel, so the U.S. has every right to do the same.

Right. Because there is no violence in Israel.

 

[dustNbone]

It's funny that Americans think they are in danger from some (imaginary?) external threat. Look around. You're by far more likely to be killed by a fellow American idiot with a gun no reasonable society would allow him to have in the first place. The guy will also probably be a white Republican, born and bred, etc.

Or some asshole texting while he drives his oversized single occupancy penis compensator.

Or you'll just eat too goddamn much and die from that.

All far more likely than any threat from outside the country. All solvable too. But not with these clowns running the show.

 

[DrkAngel]

Statistics show US citizens are at risk of being killed by a terrorist.
But, they are 300x as likely to be killed by a police officer!

 

[rumme]

Kavs yearbook may have proved he drank a lot of alcohol, was spoiled and often immature, but this does not equate with rape accusations.

Agreed. It just equates to him drinking very heavily, often to the point of vomiting and blacking out. Which, in turn, supports claims that Kavanaugh was lying under oath.

Nov elections will be interesting. Id rather have a virtual stalemate, because I dont like any 1 party taking over completely, but IMHO, the dems may have hurt themselves with this Ford scenario and the way they handled it.

I am more impressed by people who stick to their principles and lose than people who abandon any morality in a desire to win. But everyone's different.

When Schumer stood up at the podium many months ago, and did his crocodile tears for some immigrant that was denied entry into the U.S. { or something like that } , that when I decided the dem party had now become to pathetic and not worthy of my support anymore.

I take it you took Kavanaugh's (and Boehner's) crocodile tears as indications they were worthy?

Strong borders benefits this nation and our American citizens and this should be accepted and embraced by both parties. Strong borders works for other nations like Israel, so the U.S. has every right to do the same.

Right. Because there is no violence in Israel.

Never liked Boehner or his crocodile tears and it was repubs like him that made me proud to be a democrat back then.

Kavs anger and tears may have been legitimate if he was innocent of the accusations. How would you feel if you were accused of these things , but were innocent , full well knowing that just being accused of these things, would result in millions of people claiming you were guilty ? Im not a fan of Kav, but can easily see that if he was innocent of Fords claims, he would have a lot of emotion and anger....I think any sane human would feel the same way.


Israel ? I never said there wasn't any violence there, you gotta stop your strawman bullshit. It looks childish and immature . Lets put it this way, You think Israel would be safer and less violent, without a wall and strong borders ? Violence exists in all nations , so your strawman attempt on this subject is absurd. Yes, I support a strong border and a functional border wall. If you think thats evil or wrong , then so be it. If you think America is better to allow anyone to flood our nation and take advantage of weak borders, then I disagree strongly.

Did Kav lie about how much he drinks and some of the repercussions he had from it ? Probably. That doesnt make him a gang rape criminal . Trying to use a teenagers yearbook and the immature writings, and exaggerations from 36 years ago in that yearbook , seems a bit weak to me to permanently indict a person for being bad or evil and this is what the dems tried to accomplish . Im not a fan of KAV, because I consider him to be another swamp dweller, with his involvement in both the bush/Clinton corruptions , but if he never tried to rape anyone, I understand his anger at being labeled a rapist. None of us would like that.

In the end, I doubt this fiasco helped the dems, in the way they envisioned it would, and yes, I feel as though the dems completely used this issue for political weapondry/ gains.


Maybe the dems will now go back to sound/sane policies to try and get votes and allow new more logical spokes people to take charge . The repubs have gotten rid of some of their baggage with Boehner, Mcain , Bushs and others being out of the party. Dems need to do the same. Pelosi, schumer, Feinstein, and Maxine waters surely do not help the party from my perspective.


Still waiting to see just one liberal/democrat from this forum, can admit a few positive things that Trump deserves some credit for. If you are a dem/liberal and cannot find anything positive to say { economy, stock markets, more jobs, stronger borders , securing gun rights, etc} then I feel as though you are just embracing the game of partisan politics and are unable to be objective. In other words, you like being the lab rat and engaging in the social experiments and 1 sided political games cast upon you by TPTB. Kinda like claiming that all the gains in the current economy is the result of only Obamas policies finally kicking in and Trumps policies have not helped at all which is pure bullshit IMHO. To each their own I guess. Humans will never stop embracing pleasing lies especially in regards to 1 sided politics.

 

[rumme]

Statistics show US citizens are at risk of being killed by a terrorist.
But, they are 300x as likely to be killed by a police officer!

So you would rather let in more terrorists ? You think the we need to give the terrorists a edge and have open/weak borders ? Do you think we should eliminate all law enforcement jobs ?


Less illegals and less terrorists in the U.S = a good thing in my book....maybe in the dem book its a bad thing. Hard to say nowadays, since the democratic party seems to be so looney and mutated.

 

[DrkAngel]

Statistics show US citizens are at risk of being killed by a terrorist.
But, they are 300x as likely to be killed by a police officer!

So you would rather let in more terrorists ? You think the we need to give the terrorists a edge and have open/weak borders ? Do you think we should eliminate all law enforcement jobs ?


Less illegals and less terrorists in the U.S = a good thing in my book....maybe in the dem book its a bad thing. Hard to say nowadays, since the democratic party seems to be so looney and mutated.

20,000 times as likely to die due to alcohol related, compared to anything terrorist related.

 

[rumme]

Well, I guess its best to just let the dems on this forum do their endless lil circle jerk with each other . You have made up your minds that Trump is pure evil, and hasn't done anything positive for America. This is your own lil sickness that you bask in . You wont even give the guy any credit for the incredible economy we are witnessing or admit that stronger borders is a positive thing { unreal} .

When someone points out this strong economy , your typical dem reply is " ITS BECAUSE OF OBAMAS POLICIES" . Enjoy your circle jerk for the next several years and keep this in mind. If the democratic party doesnt make some huge changes soon, you may have to do your little whiny, non objective circle jerk until the year 2024 .