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Julian Assange Pardon?
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Dauntless
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Unless it turns out that Goatman, all this time, is just Julian working on that pardon. Under cover, of course.
The Toecutter
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Highly unlikely, but it would nice to see Trump do some actual good for a change. And it would piss off all of the unelected totalitarians that saturate the "intelligence" community that make major decisions regarding our civil liberties without our input or any concern for our interests.
Julian Assange didn't commit any of the crimes he is being accused of. He practiced journalism. It's sad that he's likely to die in a prison somewhere, while the criminals he exposed continue to grow richer at the expense of the greater society as a whole as they leave a trail of dead bodies, tortured victims, and ruined communities behind.
https://www.newsweek.com/tulsi-gabb...=Social&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1606406463
https://twitter.com/sahouraxo/status/1333496697461248000
If Trump really is against the Deep State, he would do this without any hesitation. But the evidence has been mounting for years that he's been a cog of the deep state all this time. We'll see whether he has it in him to try to redeem himself for a small fraction of his past wrongs. I'm not optimistic. If/when Assange is extradited to the U.S., it's going to take a massive mobilization protestors, possibly armed protestors, to get anything done to help him, also unlikely, but probably more likely than a Trump pardon.
Julian Assange didn't commit any of the crimes he is being accused of. He practiced journalism. It's sad that he's likely to die in a prison somewhere, while the criminals he exposed continue to grow richer at the expense of the greater society as a whole as they leave a trail of dead bodies, tortured victims, and ruined communities behind.
https://www.newsweek.com/tulsi-gabb...=Social&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1606406463
https://twitter.com/sahouraxo/status/1333496697461248000
If Trump really is against the Deep State, he would do this without any hesitation. But the evidence has been mounting for years that he's been a cog of the deep state all this time. We'll see whether he has it in him to try to redeem himself for a small fraction of his past wrongs. I'm not optimistic. If/when Assange is extradited to the U.S., it's going to take a massive mobilization protestors, possibly armed protestors, to get anything done to help him, also unlikely, but probably more likely than a Trump pardon.
goatman
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Dauntless said:
incognito :wink:
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The Toecutter said:
Damn, I want this now. Announce it at the same time as the announcement of Joe Biden's pardon. What a fun day.
markz
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Dauntless said:
You gonna allow Hunter Biden to go to jail for the price of Joe Bidens pardon?
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markz said:
Sure. Maybe even the Hunter's prison reality show.
goatman
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its related to solarwinds, its all owned by China
this is actually huge because theyve hacked even the nuclear, not just the treasury and theyve hacked NATO, its all connected, Canada put out a warning
this is actually huge because theyve hacked even the nuclear, not just the treasury and theyve hacked NATO, its all connected, Canada put out a warning
goatman
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did posts just disappear from this thread?
i swore i was replying to markz and its all gone?
i swore i was replying to markz and its all gone?
markz
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https://news.yahoo.com/government-and-industry-reeling-after-russian-hackers-pierce-internal-networks-164258968.html
"its all owned by China"
They have to keep up the narrative and blame Russia. You'd think that hackers sophisticated enough to hack into top secret agencies and sensitive infrastructure and be stealthy enough to not get detected for years, that the hackers would cover their tracks in such a high level integrated attack.
"its all owned by China"
They have to keep up the narrative and blame Russia. You'd think that hackers sophisticated enough to hack into top secret agencies and sensitive infrastructure and be stealthy enough to not get detected for years, that the hackers would cover their tracks in such a high level integrated attack.
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markz
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goatman said:
I was reposting it with a different news article.
goatman
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here you are :lol:
Dauntless
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https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/18/politics/gop-divided-edward-snowden-trump-pardon/
markz
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Great 2016 article blaming Russia for hacking
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/why-dems-and-the-media-always-blame-hacks-on-moscow
Dec 2020
https://www.moonofalabama.org/2020/12/media-blame-russia-for-cyber-intrusions-without-providing-evidence.html
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/why-dems-and-the-media-always-blame-hacks-on-moscow
Dec 2020
https://www.moonofalabama.org/2020/12/media-blame-russia-for-cyber-intrusions-without-providing-evidence.html
Dauntless
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So when will head cheese begin to demand they show proof?
markz
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Dauntless said:
Not sure what "Swiss Cheese" "Sleepy" "Obama 2.0" Joe will do.
goatman
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markz said:
from dec.2020
Neither FireEye nor Microsoft named any suspected actor behind the 'difficult-to-attribute' intrusion effort. Next to the NSA and Britain's GHCQ there are at least Israel, China and maybe Russia which do have such capabilities. But whoever had the chutzpah to intrude the cybersecurity company FireEye also blew up their own operation against many targets of much higher value. Years of work and millions of dollars went to waste because of that one mistake.
if you look at how the hack was found
it was the chinese owned companies being investigated for the election fraud with scytl, dominion, ubs and solar winds that exposed the bigger hack. when everyone screams Russia, even the american right wing jews that have been screaming China, you know its israel
markz
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Could be, could be but who really knows. Not like the government is honest with what its doing. Heck even our own government in Canada was spying on the peaceful, lawful protestors.
goatman said:you know its israel
Dauntless
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markz said:
No, the one Chalo dubbed head cheese on this board.
Dauntless
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Well, here's a law that would make the pardon unnecessary, except Assange and Snowden are obviously well before this law can ever take effect.
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The Toecutter
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Dauntless said:
Congress will never pass such a thing. The politicians in the U.S., collectively, are at odds with both the wishes of the American public as well as then U.S. constitution(even if the wishes of the American public, for the most part, also are not in line with the U.S. constitution). They're bought and paid for by rich people, and thus the creeping authoritarianism we are experiencing persists.
People like Tulsi Gabbard and Thomas Massey are an extremely tiny minority in U.S. politics at ANY level, whether federal, state, county, city, ect. That said, the proportion of the American people in line with the views of Thomas Massie and Tulsi Gabbard, as a percentage of the population, are at least an order of magnitude more than the amount of such people actually in positions of power, and effectively have next to zero representation.
Trump is fast and loose with pardens, which he grants in two cases:
Assange would have to at least be charged in the US first, no? And regardless, Assange is a mixed bag and his pardon wouldn't really piss off the dems. Although Assange is a Clinton-hating right-wing conservative himself, the Wikileaks exposure of human rights abuses is seen favorably by humanitarians/dems, and works mostly against the unconditional gung-ho pro-military attitudes of republicans (apart from the irony of Obama's excessive use of drones). So criteria 2 wouldn't be strong enough for Trump to pardon Assange.
- the convict had a brutally harsh sentence (pre-condition: Kim Kardashian visits Trump personally and does some schmoozing, as it's the only way for Trump to benefit from the pardon)
- the convict is evil & corrupt, but the pardon is likely to piss off people left of center
Assange would have to at least be charged in the US first, no? And regardless, Assange is a mixed bag and his pardon wouldn't really piss off the dems. Although Assange is a Clinton-hating right-wing conservative himself, the Wikileaks exposure of human rights abuses is seen favorably by humanitarians/dems, and works mostly against the unconditional gung-ho pro-military attitudes of republicans (apart from the irony of Obama's excessive use of drones). So criteria 2 wouldn't be strong enough for Trump to pardon Assange.
markz
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Nov 24 article
https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2020/11/24/so-far-trump-has-granted-clemency-less-frequently-than-any-president-in-modern-history/
https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2020/11/24/so-far-trump-has-granted-clemency-less-frequently-than-any-president-in-modern-history/
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tihaty said:
Actually, he described himself as a left libertarian. He supported Jill Stein of the Green Party in the 2016 U.S. Presidential Election. You should read his writings. He's very much nearly the polar opposite of a right-wing conservative. He's very much economically to the left of the Democratic party by a wide margin and also socially libertarian. You got the Clinton-hating part right though, as he takes a more than strong dislike to corrupt mass-murdering tyrants of their ilk, as any reasonable person who knows the Clintons' history and actually values things like human rights, human lives, human freedom, and human dignity should.
The DNC is butthurt that Assange exposed that the 2016 Democratic Primary was rigged to keep Bernie Sanders from winning. Evidence continues to mount that they did the same for 2020, albeit this time around not from Wikileaks. Now we have a senile walking death rattle about to become president that claims that "nothing will fundamentally change" when Americans are desperate for change, so desperate for it that tens of millions supported Donald Trump in two election cycles thinking he would offer it, and tens of millions voted for Biden when they realized Trump was full of shit, not because they supported Biden, but because he was not Trump and they think that perhaps he might be able to turn the country around and correct a course that began well before Trump ever ran but which nonetheless is a course that many claim Trump charted, when Biden himself bares more responsibility for our current circumstances over his nearly half-century career in politics than does Trump. There are going to be so many angry Americans soon that this country may not survive the upheaval that is about to result from it if their basic needs continue to go unmet and if their "representatives" refuse to represent the people instead of rich lobbyists, foreign governments, and multinational corporations.
The modern Democratic Party of the U.S., like the Republican Party, is well to the right economically and extremely authoritarian, especially when you compare their policy decisions with the policies desired by the average working Americans they claim to represent. Members of this party then claim to be "moderate" or "centrist" while favoring extreme-right economic policies and trade deals while also supporting authoritarian measures like extrajudicial executions and imprisonment, torture, destruction of 1st amendment protected free speech, endless wars on the behalf of for-profit corporations, while they then sabotage the left outright on gaining any real representation at all by suing to have Green Party and other 3rd party candidates removed from the ballot and by generally refusing to support issues like Medicare for All, a Green New Deal, a UBI or significant stimulus funding, and a living wage. Modern Democrats are to the right of economically and more authoritarian than the Reagan-era GOP, even as the American people themselves have moved so significantly to the left since then that Socialism is no longer a dirty word in this country.
markz said:
True, and when he has, it's almost exclusively been to protect war criminals, torturers, mass murderers, and fellow co-conspirators in corrupt business dealings. Much like his predecessor. Trump pardoning Assange would be a major departure from this and would actually do some good.
