Lets cut to the truth, facts rule!

[mr.electric]

It seems unlikely that a home built bike that supposedly costs under $2000 to build like someone here recommended is going to look as clean or perform as well as the high power cycle bike.

Different strokes for different folks. A lot of people do not have the time to research and build a high performance ebike.

I don't thing the answer to exaggerated "facts" from a production bike company is to "exaggerate" ultra low cost for DIY.

HIgh power cycles has been doing this for a number of years and deserves more respect than that.

 

[Hillhater]

HIgh power cycles has been doing this for a number of years and deserves more respect than that.

HPC have also been advertising like this ( exagerated claims) for a number of years and deserve to be exposed for all the false claims they make. They have been called out for it a number of times previously, but they just continue with false /exagerated statements, and inflated prices.
They may make a quality product, but it is not the "ultimate" , and it is not a value product.

 

[flat tire]

My $2K bike doesn't have a mid drive or as good suspension, and it doesn't look as clean.

But it's way more powerful, and way faster. That's for sure.

 

[slacker]

My $2K bike doesn't have a mid drive or as good suspension, and it doesn't look as clean.

But it's way more powerful, and way faster. That's for sure. good for you.

 

[Hillhater]

^^^^ 600+ posts , and you still dont know how to post quotes ?
That is truely "slack" :wink:

 

[mr.electric]

so which production bike maker would you guys recommend? for guys not into building themselves?

 

[granolaboy]

for that kind of money I'd be looking at a Zero

edit: just checked. less money for a 2017 fx stealthfighter or a fxs supermoto

probably weighs a little more than 70lbs tho.

 

[Chalo]

so which production bike maker would you guys recommend? for guys not into building themselves?

Those who aren't willing or capable enough to build their own illegal e-bikes should most definitely stick to legal ones. That means either one that's compliant with electric bicycle performance limits in your locality, or one that's registered and insured as a motorcycle.

HPC doesn't sell either of those, which is another piece of important information they don't tell you.

 

[MadRhino]

If you ride an illegal bike that you can't build yourself, it does mean that you can't diagnose and service it either. So, if you plan to go that route, it should be built by someone nearby who is willing to service it for you.

 

[neptronix]

so which production bike maker would you guys recommend? for guys not into building themselves?

That's a funny question to ask on a forum dedicated to building your own ebike.

I've ridden dozens of prebuilt bikes. A lot of them have issues with refinement, safety, and lack range, power, or both.
The ones that are pretty refined tend to be exorbitantly priced and/or contain very proprietary components that are expensive to replace or difficult to find later.

Prebuilt bikes have came a long way, but i still think you can build a better machine yourself. Given that no prebuilt bike has impressed me, i can say i don't recommend any of them. Especially one sold by a company with a long history of lying about their products and overcharging for them significantly.

 

[John in CR]

HPC stands for Hype Powered Cycles...always has, always will.

 

[mr.electric]

so which production bike maker would you guys recommend? for guys not into building themselves?

That's a funny question to ask on a forum dedicated to building your own ebike.

I've ridden dozens of prebuilt bikes. A lot of them have issues with refinement, safety, and lack range, power, or both.
The ones that are pretty refined tend to be exorbitantly priced and/or contain very proprietary components that are expensive to replace or difficult to find later.

Prebuilt bikes have came a long way, but i still think you can build a better machine yourself. Given that no prebuilt bike has impressed me, i can say i don't recommend any of them. Especially one sold by a company with a long history of lying about their products and overcharging for them significantly.

LOL nepronix (david silverman) is like the DIY gestapo and is dragging us all down.

I have been here since the beginning and it was founded on open source. The free exchange of ideas and knowledge.

More butts on electric vehicles was the point.

Not whatever weird crusade nepronix is on.

 

[Rassy]

That's a funny question to ask on a forum dedicated to building your own ebike.

These are the types of statements I hate to see, right up there with the ones that say the forum is only about high power or super fast electric bikes.

In the beginning we had to make our own electric assist bikes because there were very few commercial ones available. Then, if we wanted to get up a steep hill the available commercial ones weren't up to the task, at least not the legal affordable ones.

I agree with what mr.electric said and feel all electric vehicle users or dreamers are welcome here whether they build it themselves or purchase one already built, be it a one off custom or a commercial model.

 

[mr.electric]

agreed. We should all agree to get along.

 

[LockH]

Might folks agree that "facts" and "truth" are a fluid, nebulous thing? That vary with time and over space? Like, one example, range per charge can vary in "stop-and-go"/traffic versus "steady state motoring"... or eg in hilly areas vs flat areas? That "facts" are often/usually "incomplete"... Does the vehicle have pedals that work to shave peak battery powers at starts and up hills, etc? That ANY "facts" will ALWAYS be "incomplete"...

Yes?

 

[flat tire]

No. You're confusing "Completely concrete and well-understood things that take more than a short sentence to explain" with "fluid and nebulous". New ground is not being broken here and all of this stuff has been scientifically studied to an extent that would make your head spin.

 

[LockH]

^^ So. Not "overly simplistic" to state any "simple" "facts"?