Loaded Vanguard 2015 Dual VESC / Rear 12S

[okp]

yes, here is the result without spacers

just need to find out if the wiring is adequate or if I need to rotate/change the motor position. Here the wire are facing the deck; If I change the motor position on the mount (rotation) I could make them going facing the trucks with more space and better flexibility.

 

[LEVer]

That is so purdy.

 

[onloop]

The carbon fiber plate on my motor mounts are thinner the the aluminium motor plate on torqueboards. CF is very strong so can be thinner

My CF plate is just 5.5mm so maybe the plate on torqueboards is 6 or 7mm.

So the pulley cannot be positioned as it was designed.

This is not a major problem. You can forget about the circlip and still use the keyway & key with the set screw.

I suggest using some thread locker on the shaft of motor then slide pulley over. This will prevent it sliding up and down the shaft.

However it is much harder to change the pulley later if you want to tune your ride for performance using different motor pulley sizes.

TIP: if you want you could shorten the key by 2mm using a file, then slide 2pcs of "speed washer" onto the shaft. They will sit adjacent to the inner circlip so that the pulley can be pushed up hard against them. The pulley can never rub against the aluminium motor plate now.

 

[torqueboards]

It's 6mm thick

The cir-clip is a good idea. It's just too bad you need a cir-clip tool to use it. Nice touch onloop.

 

[okp]

great idea on the speed washers !

 

[okp]

adding a bit of carbon fiber inside the area delimited with plastiline to ensure the bolts will be going to something strong !

 

[206monkey32]

Per usual awesome build and profile okp. Keep up the great work! I live over in Madrid and Im really digging on the epoxy and carbon you are doing. I was curious what weave carbon you are getting and where you are getting it from? Im stateside for a few weeks and amassing a bunch of boards and parts to build up.

 

[okp]

hey there, been busy lately. back to the vanguard build

I am planning to route the AWG12 or 10 wires on the top of the board. I won't be using flat wires as it seems noone is able to provide them to me. I will keep it the old fashion. DIY.

As a reminder, the topsheet of the board has now a carbon sheet epoxied on. I am now planning to route the battery to ESC discharge cables (i.e two cables) on the top sheet.

My idea is to dig four 6 or 7 mm holes in the board, two on the front, two on the rear... and also dig a 5mm or 6mm grooves from the left to the right of the topsheet (or vise versa) if you look the board from the top. install 4 bullet connectors on the holes, epoxy the bullets. put the cable end to end between each bullet connector and then epoxy the whole stufft to ensure a smooth finish.Just basic.

At this time, I don't really consider that the flex of the board will destroy the awg cable while in tension between connectors; in fact I don't know. I could also dig diagonal holes and put the cables in a silicone gain... but that's too much for me.

Any thoughts about that ? I may just do it and jump on the board... and look at the cable !

Thanks guys ! it's all about prototyping !

 

[sl33py]

Hey OKP! Looking good!!!

As for the wire - did you see the flat braided wire on Amazon? Here's a link to the US site wire, not sure if they have it on their .fr site. My english-french translation didn't find any except some ground straps. Not sure how easy it is to order from the US and get it shipped to Paris in a reasonable amount of time/timeframe?

As for the flex and wires - if you have a smooth bored hole (sand it very smoothly), with the top glued in, you should be able to have a small loop of excess wire that will flex without issue inside both the front and rear cases. Did i explain that correctly? I think the wire glued on top will flex without any problem.

How many layers is your GF enclosure? I just got my foam the other night and want to do something similar!

Beautiful build so far (no surprise) - keep it up!

 

[okp]

thanks! I used two sheets of GF. I am wondering with size of flat braided wire I should get that will get 60/80A. I usually pick AWG10 or 12.

and even :

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[sl33py]

Can't ship it? Lame. If you want you could ship to me and i'll ship to you? PM me if i can help. I'm prime so could get it pretty quickly and then re-ship it to you?

I checked on doing something similar. IT looked like a 10/12 awg equivalent was 3/8-1/2" flat wire.

Not sure if it's worth it or not, but maybe even split the roll/cost?

 

[okp]

same, I am prime but it seems that this kind of wire is not sold in France; I found a shop in UK never had a reply.

I am really wondering if that matters to use flat wire, I could just dig 5mm in the board and epoxy the whole stuff

 

[sl33py]

agreed. I'm more worried about it not being insulated...

I'd love to have a similar setup either on top or on bottom of one of my boards (i like the visual and practicality of batteries enclosed forward, ESC enclosed at back). Flex and if you go over a speed bump or curb - less likely to hit.

Either way if i can help just let me know. It would be about $40 ea if we split a roll. not sure of cost to ship to Paris...

 

[okp]

yes, thanks. cost will kill the deal. I have just checked and this is what I am planning to do:
- drill 2 holes front/rear through the deck and put 5.5mm bullet connectors inside
- groove from rear to front two AWG12 wires separated by around 10 cm. AWG12 is 3.3mm so it's really thin and this is what I already use on my 12S setup. Works fine. No need for AWG10.

flex is no problem, the copper is insulated into silicon cable; quality is OK.

nothing to worry about I assume.

I am now wondering if I am not going to make DIY carbon pulley covers to put on Torque bolt mount. Not sure it is worth for protection, but maybe for design, and it's way easier than making enclosures. something like that

 

[okp]

back to the build, this is how I am planning to connect the dual vesc

 

[okp]

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[whitepony]

hehe, nice touch with the glow in the dark! why is the carbon layer broken into parts?

 

[torqueboards]

Haha sweet build.

 

[okp]

well, I just had two sheets of carbon left but not one full length , so I put them together side by side. I also don't have a flat machine to sand, so I just roughly used the dremel to sand between the sheets. It's rock solid as both sheets are going in each other. I am actually waiting for the cover to dry so I can put the electronics inside... tomorrow.

I had nothing to do, so I wrote some letters and put some glowing paint, of course this is just for fun, I will put grip on this later on

 

[sl33py]

well, I just had two sheets of carbon left but not one full length , so I put them together side by side. I also don't have a flat machine to sand, so I just roughly used the dremel to sand between the sheets. It's rock solid as both sheets are going in each other. I am actually waiting for the cover to dry so I can put the electronics inside... tomorrow.

I had nothing to do, so I wrote some letters and put some glowing paint, of course this is just for fun, I will put grip on this later on

Do you have a sideview picture or video of the flex now that you've reinforced it with CF? I remember your original "review" video of the Vanguard showed the flex nicely. If you can show a similar view to compare now that you've reinforced it with CF?

I like the glow in the dark paint too! Nice build as always okp!

 

[kennet_h]

Just read through both your builds, great work!
I would love to hear a comparison between the Alien board, and the Enertion board, when it's ready.
I'm going to build a 12S board myself, and your threads have been great help!

 

[sl33py]

Bump!

Can you re-do the video like this one that shows how much stiffer it is now with your Carbon Fibre reinforced top?
[youtube]EZEpD7Ek4J0[/youtube]

 

[okp]

hey sl33py, sorry for the late reply; been busy lately and it's been raining in Paris. I will film the same video by saturday morning.

key kennet : thanks for your kind message much appreciated ! this community is really great and even if the forum is not related to molding, I just try to give back to the community.

 

[okp]

sorry, I have still not filmed the vanguard flex test, was working on it

AWG12, 3.2mm; who needs flat wires ?

for the Vanguard lovers out there.

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moving forward !

hope you like it as much as I do !

 

[whitepony]

really nice, although my heart stopped beating for a moment when you slammed the drill nearly into the parquett floor.