Long range E-bike build

[neptronix]

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[tkopper]

so it is better to spend a bit more on the hub setup then, thats ok i guess, thanks for recommending the sites for me to look at, and man, sure am glad i researched this stuff with everyone here instead of just buying, which i never do, i always research first. Ok so i skip the Ebay shit nd buy the good stuff. ill do some looking and come back here if i need anyother info, which i may, Thanks everyone, fell free to keep me in the know. Cant wait to get started on a new hobby that im sure i'll like very much.

 

[wesnewell]

so it is better to spend a bit more on the hub setup then, thats ok i guess, thanks for recommending the sites for me to look at, and man, sure am glad i researched this stuff with everyone here instead of just buying, which i never do, i always research first. Ok so i skip the Ebay shit nd buy the good stuff. ill do some looking and come back here if i need anyother info, which i may, Thanks everyone, fell free to keep me in the know. Cant wait to get started on a new hobby that im sure i'll like very much.

Don't be an idiot. There's absolutely nothing wrong with buying off ebay. Ping used to sell on ebay. So I guess his stuff is shit too. Matter of fact, at one time or another, you could pretty much buy all the hub kits on ebay. The yescomusa.com kits sold on ebay are GoldenMotor hub motors made in china. Almost all of the hub kits are made in china. Don't think you'll get a lot better quality by paying double for it. You won't. BTW, you can buy the same hub motor kits from the yescomusa website if you don't like using ebay. May cost you a little more, but at least it won't be shit from ebay.

 

[tkopper]

lol, duh! Sorry that was a mistake, didn't mean it like that. Ok let me rephrase that, i'll stay away from the cheap, junk items sold on Ebay. lol

 

[neptronix]

Hm.. so are you saying that buying from vendors on eBay is a better bet than buying a kit / batteries off of vendors that these forums know to be reputable and knowledgeable of their products?

Rarely do you see a complete spec sheet on anything sold on eBay..
A lot of those hub motor kit sellers don't even use pictures of the actual product.
How confidence inspiring is that?

It sounds like a good product, but . All i see in regards to these products is questions on ES with not much knowledge about them... whereas if you asked one of us about a 9c, crystalyte, MAC, BMC, MXUS, bafang etc motor, one of us could repeat specs off the top of our heads or at least point you in the direction of a few years worth of threads talking about their power potential, reliability issues, etc..

Being a little leary of eBay stuff doesn't make you an idiot. Seeing a lot of threads about some crap people bought on eBay is a bit frustrating, i have seen this particularly in the car world. Maybe the yescomusa kit is pretty good for the $ or whatever, but i think you'd be pretty wise to think of eBay as something to consider last... as most of these companies are just shifting inventory off pallets ( ebay takes a big cut of what you sell so a lot of non-pallet shifters avoid it )

 

[tkopper]

No, I know Ebay is not the best, but one of my other post sounded like I meant all Ebay items are junk, which their not, many are but their are good vendors also sell their items on Ebay.

 

[dogman dan]

Ignore those advising a gearmotor so you can pedal unpowered. A long haul ebike weighs nearly 100 pounds, or more if you ride where you will need to carry water. You will not be riding unpowered very far unless downhill. If downhill, you won't notice the dd motor.

What you will be wanting to do, is throttle to your desired speed, which is between 15-20 mph for a heavily loaded bike that wants long range. Then pedal up 1 mph more speed. You won't add speed, but your 100 watts can get your battery use down to sub 300 watts, extending your range greatly. Go with the pings, again, a 15 ah 48v battery will be fine even not paralelled, and will carry easiest. Two 15's in panniers will be perfect. Run them seperate, for the purpose of a redundant back up, and knowing when you are halfway discharged exactly. Get the 5 amp chargers, and you will charge fast, safe, and not blow the breaker on the coke machine plug.

All this advice comes from a guy who HAS done it. It works great. It's certainly not the only way. Another guy who rides more than me has gone the lipo route, but I just prefer the simplicity and easy safe charging of a pair of pings. That's not to say lipo sucks. I often carry a superlight pair of lipos as an emergency "get home pack". But I love the pings for long distances. I am on track to hit the 10,000 mile mark by next winter on my pings.

 

[wesnewell]

Hm.. so are you saying that buying from vendors on eBay is a better bet than buying a kit / batteries off of vendors that these forums know to be reputable and knowledgeable of their products?

I'm saying that paying more to buy from a non ebay webiste and paying more for the same product is just plain stupid. Nothing more, nothing less. And anyone that thinks all the stuff on ebay is junk is just an idiot.

 

[tkopper]

Ignore those advising a gearmotor so you can pedal unpowered. A long haul ebike weighs nearly 100 pounds, or more if you ride where you will need to carry water. You will not be riding unpowered very far unless downhill. If downhill, you won't notice the dd motor.

What you will be wanting to do, is throttle to your desired speed, which is between 15-20 mph for a heavily loaded bike that wants long range. Then pedal up 1 mph more speed. You won't add speed, but your 100 watts can get your battery use down to sub 300 watts, extending your range greatly. Go with the pings, again, a 15 ah 48v battery will be fine even not paralelled, and will carry easiest. Two 15's in panniers will be perfect. Run them seperate, for the purpose of a redundant back up, and knowing when you are halfway discharged exactly. Get the 5 amp chargers, and you will charge fast, safe, and not blow the breaker on the coke machine plug.

All this advice comes from a guy who HAS done it. It works great. It's certainly not the only way. Another guy who rides more than me has gone the lipo route, but I just prefer the simplicity and easy safe charging of a pair of pings. That's not to say lipo sucks. I often carry a superlight pair of lipos as an emergency "get home pack". But I love the pings for long distances. I am on track to hit the 10,000 mile mark by next winter on my pings.

Thank you "dogman", thats what I wanted to hear. We go camping about 2 times a year up north in a forest, and thats about 142 miles from here, thats what I want to accomplish on a capable E-bike because 8.6 hrs on a road bike was a pretty hard. Siting back and relaxing (with pedaling) on a Electric recumbent sounds VERY! nice. I will most likely purchase 20ah pack to run separately unless two 15ah packs will do 140 miles with me doing my part. Ive been looking at recumbents and I have a few in mind that should sport the two 20ah packs no problem. And the packs wont be the spendy part damn recumbents are spendy. $1600 for the thats in my head, lol. Totally worth every penny to be an E-bike though. Thanks.