Longest commute

It sounds like the op doesn't care about time since he says he would pedal it if possible. I think being on the bike 5hrs a day is going to get old real quick. I did some 65min trips and mentally its a lot.
But that distance is just way too long imo.
The op needs to provide more details.
 
jetska said:
So I'd like to get a feel for what the longest practicable commute is for an e-bike. I'm potentially in a year's time going to have a monster 73km (one way) commute - with peak hour traffic problems. I will probably be catching the train, but would like to look at other options. There's a flat separated cycleway the entire distance. I weigh 61kgs, but there may be headwinds some mornings. I will be pedalling as I'm a cyclist already but it's just beyond a practical distance for me to ride.

I'm thinking about getting a 250 cc motorbike, but I thought I should investigate if an e-bike would even be a possible option, mainly because I'd be happier parking it in the secure bike parking at work than parking my motorbike out in the open! There are also cost savings with the ebike perhaps, as I don't currently hold a motorbike license. I'd be looking at spending about $3,000AUD on a motorbike or ebike.

Unless that commute is almost all 110km/h zones, a motorbike could be tiring too. You'd be surprised at how much a long ride on a sports bike can wear you. If you are leaning towards a motorbike, get one with an upright or reclined position. A sports geometry will wear you out a fair bit.

As almost everyone else here has said, 73kms on an eBike is technically possible - not even difficult, really. But doing it once, and doing it 220 times a year rain hail or shine, is another matter entirely.

I have a mate who is indecisive about eBikes for a 53km ride, but he's wary of a 1.5 hour ride either way. I'm trying to convince him to drive to a car park before the first toll gate, and then ride the rest of the way. It cuts his ride down to about 30km and save him $15.50 in tolls a day, + petrol for those last 30ish km.

Maybe a mixed mode of transport would work well for you as well?
 
Commuters on a faired standard bike like the CBR125R learn to ride the open stretches by leaning your chest down on a big tank bag to form a tripod with your elbows on your knees to get out of the wind.
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The mental aspect of riding an hour each way for me is improved by listening to music via in ear canal phones such as the excellent Shure SE215.
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Car part way then ride the rest works too. I did that for a time, because when I started out I had brushed motors that could not tolerate the long uphill ride home without melting in summer. So I parked at the bottom of the big hill, and rode a 9 mile one way.

And it's true enough, every day on a motorcycle can be a grind too, so go for comfort if you get one. Not a crotch rocket. The scooters can look dorky for sure, but the good ones have fairing that keeps your legs out of the wind. That's very nice on cold winter days in bad weather.
 
Go for the like a 150cc or 250cc the extra comfort from the fairing and cvt transmission will make the ride more tolerable and less taxing on the mind and body. I have 2 1988 Honda elite 150's and they can do 55-60 mph on highway and they get a sold 90 miles per gallon. An added bonus is the insurance is dirt cheap on it.
 
Parking at or near my place of employment is $23 a day so it doesnt matter whether the car is efficient or not fuel wise it will be the most expensive option. The train would cost about $23 in fares but of course that is cheaper because of no fuel/wear and tear on the car etc. I believe I can get motorcycle parking for approx $7 a day. Ebike or bike parking would be free. There is a lot of merit in the suggestion of driving part of the way because it could knock the parking fees on the head and I could potentially drive to where the freeway gets most congested, find a park, then ride the rest of the way in.

The bike path isn't really patrolled and isn't very visible from the road for the first 40kms or so - I have often come across petrol powered trail bikes on it on weekends as well as 50cc petrol scooters (who aren't allowed on the freeway). There is pretty much no starting and stopping as this path has overpasses and underpasses and I can only think of a few intersections closer to town that require crossing roads. As for overtakes, I can ride at about 33kph on my carbon roadie.... pretty sure a 30kph overtake is fair as it's a wide, even, well maintained surface and is pretty straight as well.

It barely gets cold here, doesn't rain very often, and still I like the look of some of the 150cc scooters I've seen because of the fairings, comfortable looking riding position etc. Thank you for all of your suggestions and real world examples!
 
Wow, 23 bucks to park, or 7 for a motorcycle. No wonder you want to e bike it. Find a good place to park free about 30k from the workplace or closer. Then ride from there. A 20-30k ride will still save enough on cost per mile to pay for the e bike, and the 23 a day you would spend will cover the car costs.

Now your commute rig gets easy, something 48v, that goes up to 25 kph, maybe 30. And the battery can be 48v 15 ah, maybe 20, and charge it at work for the return trip. Budget no more than $1500 usd, not including the bike itself. Pick a bike for comfort, not light weight.

Carry the bike with a sturdy hitch mount rack that holds the bike by the wheels. I have a cheap steel swagman brand rack that has lasted me years and years.
 
dogman dan said:
Wow, 23 bucks to park, or 7 for a motorcycle. No wonder you want to e bike it.

You have to realise they have us over a barrel. I doubt many people in the states would consider driving 73km every single day for a job, but from the size of Australia, and the fact we really only have 5 cities, most with poor public transport, means that we have to use cars. (Excepting us smart ebikers of course) And pay through the nose for the privilege.

SYDNEY motorists are slugged with some of the highest parking rates in the world despite having fewer people fighting for a car spot than major US cities.

The NRMA's Sydney CBD Parking Comparison report compared the NSW city's parking assets to those in US cities of a similar size, population and demography, including Boston, Seattle and San Francisco.

The report found non-discount parking rates in Sydney are 97 per cent more expensive than the second closest city in the report, Boston.

The rates were 179 per cent more expensive than in Seattle.
 
Sunder said:
I doubt many people in the states would consider driving 73km every single day for a job,

I'm 60km each way every day and use my CBR250R for 70% of the days whenever there is no ice on the roads. I can also use my PCX150 on the back roads but have to go with the 250R's increased speed for the super highway since it is quicker and safer.
 
Sunder said:
dogman dan said:
Wow, 23 bucks to park, or 7 for a motorcycle. No wonder you want to e bike it.
[...] the fact we really only have 5 cities, most with poor public transport, means that we have to use cars. (Excepting us smart ebikers of course) And pay through the nose for the privilege.

I've always considered free and cheap public parking to be a subsidy for those who use it. And it is, but it goes beyond that. Those who show up on their bikes at a store with hectares of parking also pay for others' cars when they buy something. And those who pay rent to live or do business in a densely developed city that has private surface parking lots are paying more than they would if those lots were properly developed.

You'd have to look long and hard to find a driver here who acknowledges that his car receives free public assistance, but it does.

I understand that some 60 percent of the surface area of American cities on average is devoted to automotive use.
 
Chalo said:
I understand that some 60 percent of the surface area of American cities on average is devoted to automotive use.
And at least some places, like Phoenix, actually have laws requiring a certain number of parking spaces for cars for every so many square feet of publicly-accessible space in a business or public-use area. :roll: Some businesses deliberately have extremely tiny public areas, that only fit the absolute minimum clearances required by fire codes and handicapped access codes, because of that...but most of them instead are forced to waste much more space (and the money for maintaining it) on parking than on their actual business, and then people complain that the business doesn't carry enough products because there isn't enough space in the building for them all (which there would be if they didnt' have to have more parking spaces to go with the extra space for the products and public access to them).
 
amberwolf said:
And at least some places, like Phoenix, actually have laws requiring a certain number of parking spaces for cars for every so many square feet of publicly-accessible space in a business or public-use.

Ha. Some left leaning councils are doing the opposite here: They're enforcing strict MAXIMUMS on parking space per sq metre of living space, and for every parking space you add, developer fees and rates go up, the rationale being the more parking spaces you have, the more council funded riads/road repairs you need.

So now you're getting apartment blocks where studios/single bedders get no parking, or where there are no dedicated parking spots and strata leases the spot each year to the highest bidder. Even as a single car family, no way would I buy into one of those. Parking is a nightmare in strata even when everyone gets dedicated parking.
 
I've already got a nice towball mounted bike rack so that helps. In a couple of weeks I'll be doing a 20km commute on my pushie when I go back to work so I'll start looking around at kit options cos it might make that more of an everyday proposition as well.
 
I just did a 100km trip (with a break for lunch) on my recumbent today:
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I can tell you for certain, that even on a comfy recumbent...75km would be hard going every day.
50km would be about the most I could manage I think.

Cheers
 
Out here in the west, lots of people commute a long way to work by car. Even a short commute like mine was, ended up about 7 miles farther than it needed to be. Driven by the high cost of shitty old houses closer to the city center. We opted for a newer house with double the land further out. House payment 300 a month lower, but then paid right back to drive around. But a better house with lower maintenance costs for at least the first 20 years. My brother chose the older house, giving me a second job whenever I want it. Endless remodel on that house just to keep up with the rot on a 60 year old house.

Much longer commutes are very common. 60 miles not a big deal in the smaller cities out west, since out here it can be done in an hour. In construction, I pretty much worked a 200 mile radius from where I lived. Once beyond about 150 miles a day driving, we'd live on the job site in campers.

In the big cities like LA, it's crazy. Not uncommon at all for folks to spend 90 min to 2 hours each way, mostly driving 30 mph on a freeway. There, a motorcycle can split lanes and get there much faster, if you can ride good enough to survive it.
 
I would vote for an electric recumbent or velo for that trip IF you really prefer biking.
Personally I find it borderline too long of a time commuting everyday, especially if going legal speeds.
I would consider it on an electric recumbent going 45km/h+, depending on the alternatives.

As an enduranceexample, my cargobike is a heavy beast but will do 200-250km at 40-45km/h on one charge. At 25km/h probably 400km+.
A recumbent meant for commuting would get away with less battery ofcourse.
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Its a comfy ridingposition, but id still take a recumbent for such long trips any day.
And by that I mean a supercomfy one with alot of support along the entire back and a headrest.
I have a challenge jester that is pretty comfy but a more upright riding position and a much higher seatingposition would be ideal for safe and comfortable commute.
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The "Performer" that Sendler2112 mentioned earlier is most likely the seatingposition I would choose, based on my lowracer experience.
Also the rear suspension is important for higher speeds and the longer commutes!
 
dogman dan said:
We opted for a newer house with double the land further out. House payment 300 a month lower, but then paid right back to drive around. But a better house with lower maintenance costs for at least the first 20 years. My brother chose the older house, giving me a second job whenever I want it. Endless remodel on that house just to keep up with the rot on a 60 year old house.

I have gone for years without a car or motorcycle because of where I chose to live.

I got a tiny 90 year old house smack in the middle of town. Expensive to buy, but cheap in every other way. There's very little maintenance to do, after some simple repairs that were necessary to move in. Utility bills are cheap just because it's small. They weren't building on slab foundations in those days, so you can access everything. A house that old that looks OK, is OK. Otherwise it would be falling down or already gone.

Postwar houses are the ones you have to worry about. Slabs and ducts give you all kinds of expensive problems. Plus, build quality and materials took a big step down at that time.
 
Cowardlyduck, noted and advice taken.

As for all the discussion about distance from work/commuting/lifestyle choices I've lived in the inner 10kms of the city for the last decade in a house much smaller than I would like with its attendant parking hassles, many neighbours too close hassles, hardly any garden to speak of and because of the surrounding concrete of houses anything i planted got fried anyway.... and local laws that prevent me from doing things that I would like to do (ie keep chickens and have more than two dogs). I've now gotten to the point where I'm willing to trade off a more expensive and longer commute for these things as they have become more important to me as I have become less of a party animal.
 
Chalo said:
I have gone for years without a car or motorcycle because of where I chose to live.

I got a tiny 90 year old house smack in the middle of town. Expensive to buy, but cheap in every other way.

I get the impression you don't have kids, children absolutely upend your priorities. Just one for instance is schools, most US cities have a ring of decent public schools in the suburbs and maybe the exurbs while the inner city and truly rural schools are often abysmally bad. So if you care about your kid's education then you either locate where the public schools are still fairly good or pay a really significant chunk of your income in private school costs, a lot more than even a fairly lengthy commute will cost you.

Then there's the "Task Rabbit" mode of employment that seems to be becoming ever more popular with the corporations, sure you can buy a home close to your work ~this~ month but what about next year or the year after that? Eventually most people will end up commuting anyway because the lifetime of employment at one location is rapidly becoming as dead as Nineveh and Tyre.
 
Did try hard for the built in 1915 house in the old town, which needed a lot done to it. Bank refused to lend, because it was half remodeled at the time. So it got bought by a person with cash, fipped, and a big profit made. Bro's house built about 1950, but the real problem with it was lots of homeowner done remodels in the past, all done wrong. Roof looked good, but it turned out to be a time bomb of tiny leaks. Nothing obvious when he bought, but now the whole roof is rotting out at the eaves. My house built in 1980, and still on original stucco. We remodeled one bath and the kitchen, and insurance paid for a new roof a few years back. It's more or less maintenance free, except for the yard work.

Bottom line when we bought, banks wanted us to buy a 150 thou house, we wanted to buy an 80 thou house. That ruled out all houses above 800 square feet in size in town center. So we paid 86 thou for a house 8 miles from town center. When the shit hit the fan in 2008, we were sitting in the catbird seat, while many others were holding a house worth less than what they paid. Our house price was not ballooned out by the bubble like the houses near the campus were. Another big part of our calculations, it's not a lifetime of commuting, nor is 15 miles that expensive. I'm in my retirement job working from home now, and the wife is in the two year countdown now.

FWIW, the cost of living 8 miles farther out per year, for two commuters, has been about 10,000 a year. That's the cost of the extra 16 miles, not the total. It's not as cheap as just the gas, you do wear out cars a few years sooner. So it cost us more than 80 thou by now. However, had we bought an expensive house in town, we'd be still paying on the house for 15 years after we retired. As we stand, we will be paid in full the day she turns 65. I call that a total win situation. We lose on the cars, but get it back on the loan interest, by affording a 15 year loan. And don't forget, I did commute by bike for 5 years, which put about 20 thou back in on our side. The last few years for the wife's drive is quite affordable, now that I barely use a car at all. Soon our car costs will go to almost nothing, when she stops working.

Lastly, in the last 15 years, more growth in town has resulted in a badly polluted valley. It's a real city down there now. I live on the hill, 1000 feet above the winter inversion layer, that traps the dust, wood smoke, and car farts down in the valley. I know people who had to leave, because at their age the town air was killing them. The smog will get here too, but likely not till I'm gone. It's breezier up here above the inversion layer. My health took an immediate improvement the day we moved up here. That turned out to be priceless.

But back on topic, it would still be quite practical to do a bike commute, even if I'd bought 5 miles farther out from town. I worked on the farthest southwest corner of town, and live close to the north east corner. Here, ALL the way across town is still under 20 miles. Had I bought something 30 miles or more from town, no way an all bike commute would be practical. Possible yes, but not practical simply because more than 3 hours a day commute sucks. I've done car commutes that took that long plenty, and it still sucks to work 8- 10 hours a day, and commute 3 more. Too much time gone.
 
I live in old part of Tularosa on land that was gifted to me from my Grandfather. I just hap pen to live in a really nice small town with a few restaurants and grocery store. The really nice thing is I work at the family winery 2 miles away so easily doable with a standard peddle bicycle and no problem on an electric bicycle. If I need groceries I literally walk out to the backside of the grocery store. I have a big mortgage that I inherited from my divorce, but in the long run as long as I don't blow my money on cars or transportation I'll have it made in the shade. I would like to have more batteries to do the go to the big city commute which is Alamogordo, but that can wait until the kids get a bit older. No big pollution problems on my side of the mountain yet, but Alamogordo is where Las Cruces was 30 years ago.......?
 
i have done lots of 100+ mile days on my recumbent. No pain, little exertion. The thing is 2 hours every morning and evening would quickly become unbearable. That 2 hrs is without traffic delays etc. expect more. I think about half that distance would be the limit on a daily basis. I,m 54, and 150 miles on a regular bike is beyond my abilities, way beyond! On this bike I am ready for more at the end of the day. I was ill for a month this summer and got down to 122lbs, the worst physical condition ever, yet I covered 1300 miles in 2 weeks, fully loaded. imho recumbents are the way for us old farts. I rode 4000 miles this summer/fall with no issues, but 140km every day, plus work? no thanks.
 
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