Looking for a new home forum.. gassers ok?

[Tony01]

The motorized bicycle forums are dead! Sad it came to this. They have both driven away Real builders… One has a history of bad over-moderation but is super active with lots of small talk and no substance or difficult builds/builds at all (which I call the Dialogue forum), the other has fallen victim to small group of motorized bicycle hobby gatekeeper trolls from the Dialogue forum and an absentee ad-revenue concerned administrator who isn’t into bikes at all or even cares about the small but tight-knit community of builders he’s running into the ground.

Unfortunately arguing is no longer allowed on either one because it hurts ad revenue. Most recently, it was about me pointing out why some brake mods are dangerous, funny enough it was the reason I got banned from the first forum a few years ago… talking why bicycle rotors are directional, and why disc caliper adapters for non-disc forks are dangerous to run.

On these sites where people are building their own motor vehicles from scratch, it is foolish to ban and block over arguments related to things as simple as brake safety. Fortunately, with the absence of real builders to advise on performance and speed, most of those guys will never see 40mph, so the danger is minimal yet telling.

Never got into this forum too much because i was into gassers mostly and chose to continue to keep my collection of builds in one place on the now dead motorbicycling forum when I began building my first ebike in 2018, but at this point i really don’t care what energy source is used; it’s all about the design of the overall bike.

Mods; I would like to transfer my build threads to here. Can I post my gasser builds as well and in which category?

A few of my builds-

 

[gromike]

Nice looking bikes!
Not into gassers too much anymore myself, but an alcohol fueled bike would be a cool build.

 

[Chalo]

I used to check in regularly at motoredbikes and motorbicycling, but I found that participants there couldn't spell, couldn't think their way out of a paper bag, and couldn't abide being asked whether their interest in stinking smog bikes was related to losing their driver's licenses.

The smaller the internal combustion engine, the more concentrated and toxic its sputum. Smog bikes are only a repugnant speed bump on the path of progress. You do you, but that crap is wrong.

 

[neptronix]

You're welcome here, i'd probably not post gasbike stuff, but if you want to anyway, the right place would be:
Members' Hobbies and Interests

It's an unusual thing to see on our forum. If someone gives you hassle, tell them the boss said it's ok!

 

[slaphappygamer]

Good frames to add a large battery for an electric conversion.

 

[offGridDownUnder]

It's an unusual thing to see on our forum. If someone gives you hassle, tell them the boss said it's ok!

Hi. I went and looked:
Mission and Constitution ( paraphrased from justin_le )

I read this everywhere in that message. I like it when people say what they mean and mean what they say (or write):

ebikes and EV technology

Who is this site for?

Anyone interested in DIY Electric vehicle building

neptronix, you are an (or the) admin. I also note there are forums that mention or are dedicated to "alternate energy" - mostly renewables.

To the OP, apart from the fossil fueled engines, all of your building skills and knowledge are valuable here. For alcohol or vegetable oil diesel (and maybe others - hydrogen anyone?) engine discussion would be valuable as well. neptronix says you are ok, albeit pointing to a particular forum.

I meant what I wrote above, and... I despise fossil fuel use - especially for 'sports' - to me it's about "I don't give a shit whose kids I kill or consign to future wars, all that matters to me is getting my personal rocks off now without thinking about anyone else".

Personally, I'm here because this is a forum about EVs, backed by Justin of Grin Technologies. This is a useful stepping-stone to closing off the excuses for using fossil fuels.

Again, to the OP, I think you have valuable knowledge to share, and I wanted you and neptronix to know how I feel.

 

[Tony01]

Yeah I’ve been here for about ten years, I’ve got less than 200 posts, and haven’t run a gas bike for nearly 7 years.

I despise fossil fuel use- to me it's about "I don't give a shit whose kids I kill or consign to future wars,

Well the cobalt used in EV batteries is mined in the Congo by children in flip flops, so it goes both ways. Everything we do has unseen consequences. I’m not here to have that conversation… just interested in talking bikes.

an alcohol fueled bike would be a cool build

I know a guy who runs an 8- or 9- second Harley on alcohol in a no-bar class, he’s got carbon fiber wheels, fenders, I think his build is 75 inches WB. The CR is 16:1 and he plans to run nitrous with some fuel in the shot to not lean out too hard.

I used to check in regularly at motoredbikes and motorbicycling, but I found that participants there couldn't spell, couldn't think their way out of a paper bag, and couldn't abide being asked whether their interest in stinking smog bikes was related to losing their driver's licenses.

Actually ebikes are the new DUI-cycles. Most states require a valid license for gas engines.

Motoredbikes is the dialogue forum that is truly full of idiots and roaming bands of haters who are too wussy to come argue stuff out on a free speech platform where they can’t hit the “report” button; Motorbicycling is the dead forum with a lot of ‘real’ builders on it… mostly old guys with old school fabrication/machining knowledge. Motored is also anti-innovation. Motorbicycling wants it clean and tidy with no arguments to keep making that ad revenue. What the heck is the point of a discussion forum if you can’t argue or discuss things?

What’s sad is a lot of these guys call themselves conservatives, but they’re really just RINOs.

That’s why I’m here. I think the classical liberals that inhabit ES are far more free speech than the RINOs of motorized bicycle forums.

Yeah guys I’m not here to talk gas bikes or gas bike tech. I’m here because this is a place of free speech where lightweight motorbikes are discussed. Far as EV or gas tech I think they’re both dirty in ways that are out of my control so I’ll just continue to build what interests me. And if you’ll have me, I’ll share the best I can with my experience. I’ve been a machinist/fabricator for 15 years.

I don’t really plan to build too many more gas bikes as designing ebikes is more interesting, but I have unfinished business with 2-speed automatics…

 

[Tony01]

EV or gas tech is just a power source to me. Just depends what you’re building. I think in urban areas EVs are the future. Right this minute, EVs are limited by battery tech and the weight and volume of a kWh, and charging infrastructure. For example, one of my e-bike builds will charge on a L2 j-plug in well under an hour and take me to work and daily errands no problem, but a 2-stroke vtwin superkart pushing 90hp topping out at 160mph weighing nothing will smoke a comparable power EV with its refueling pit stops that take seconds. In time and money. EVs are clearly the future but they’re just too new right now. Well not too new for us not to have fun, but we’re in that time…

I’m here cause I have a free speech problem on other platforms. I have always suspected that this forum was more pro- free speech over the years and it looks like I’m right about something once again. If ya guys wanna talk EV vs Gas well I’ll do it, but I’m not really interested in that. EVs are the future but gas is still good and cheap; I’ll look at it from an economics perspective until I’m wealthy enough to not give a damn.

 

[A-DamW]

The motorized bicycle forums are dead!

Bummer, I have found some good inspiration/sources for left side drive hub clamp sprocket adapters on the motorized bicycle forums

Most recently, it was about me pointing out why some brake mods are dangerous, funny enough it was the reason I got banned from the first forum a few years ago… talking why bicycle rotors are directional, and why disc caliper adapters for non-disc forks are dangerous to run.

If your points are rational and arguable and backed up with some experience, I say bring it on!

I began building my first ebike in 2018, but at this point i really don’t care what energy source is used; it’s all about the design of the overall bike.

This.

Welcome.

 

[marvin78]

That’s why I’m here. I think the classical liberals that inhabit ES are far more free speech than the RINOs of motorized bicycle forums.

This made me chuckle. I have a feeling, as a dirty European 'far left' liberal self proclaimed pos, that a lot of 'conservatives' are now finding out that being rich and needing cheap skilled labor through H1B visa's doesn't go along with their 'no more immigrants' trope they built their election on.

Just as your example, I find that highly amusing.

If ya guys wanna talk EV vs Gas well I’ll do it, but I’m not really interested in that. EVs are the future but gas is still good and cheap; I’ll look at it from an economics perspective until I’m wealthy enough to not give a damn.

Normally I love that discussion with 'new people'. But you clearly aren't new and I doubt I would be able to offer you insights you wouldn't have been able to reach on your own. The only thing I would love to point out, is that by saying: "I go with whatever makes economic sense" you're thinking only of short term expenses and not the long term ( financial ) impact. Might think/hope it won't affect you in your lifetime, but if that precious climate of ours will start producing famine's and mass migrations the costs will be exponentially higher.

And if you’ll have me, I’ll share the best I can with my experience. I’ve been a machinist/fabricator for 15 years.

Looking at those pictures, a darn fine one!

Either way don't mind me, I was reading out of boredom and your post really made me tear up so I felt I had to reply. Thanks for putting a smile on my face, even if I'm fairly confident that might not have been purposefully

 

[neptronix]

I read all the replies.

Tony01, you got a taste of how our members feel about gas bikes. One of them is kind of insinuating that i'm being derelict of duty by being too tolerant.

We've had people talk about gas powered things in the 'biker bar' and it never caused an uproar. It just wasn't interesting to most.
I think that's okay if it's not a majority of what you're posting about on this forum. Just know that a thick skin is mandatory when you explore the edges.

If you were a pure gasbike guy instead of an energy source agnostic, the answer would be no.
Because you sound like an intelligent person who actually builds stuff, knows stuff, and does stuff, it's a yes.


I'm interesting in maintaining the same high degree of freedom of speech this site started with for these reasons:
- It's been an ingredient in our secret to success since the site was founded.
- It keeps things interesting - internet monocultures aren't interesting, and don't last long.
- Interesting/talented/smart people flee from overmoderated spaces, and thrive when large amounts of freedom is provided.
- I believe the morally correct thing to do is to allow as much freedom of speech as possible, limited to the point where you hit a social ( the 'yelling fire in a crowded theater' problem, mob mentality, etc ) or legal wall.

At the end of the day, Endless Sphere was built for, and by, people who enjoy building EVs and like seeing their advancement.
If this describes you, and you can respectfully deal with people who have differences of opinion, you are welcome.

And yes, the majority of people who have ran/do run this website are classic liberals. But most of our members are liberal. I intentionally pick moderators/staff across the political spectrum so that we can put a check against politically biased moderation. This does create some friction in the ranks, but i'd take friction over accidentally creating yet another boring monoculture on the internet.

 

[aroundqube]

Looks familiar - Looking for a new home forum

 

[marvin78]

You can never have enough real estate nowadays is what people keep telling me. Guess this is like that, but different.

Looks familiar - Looking for a new home forum

 

[Tony01]

You can never have enough real estate nowadays is what people keep telling me. Guess this is like that, but different.

Yeah probably best to focus on diversifying if you want to live forever!! Heh there are others. Had to know the level of activity and understanding. Back in the day when I joined, that forum was poppin’ and off the hook! A motorized biker from a meet was on it too. And then social media messed it all up

 

[marvin78]

Spreading your bets, or investment funds, is always excellent advice.

I'm sure you'll feel at home here when you start posting build threads, lots of very knowledgeable as well as helpful people around here who you can 'talk shop' with.

..social media isn't, btw. Maybe Bluesky but other 'implementations' have nothing do with 'social' and a lot to do with 'media' trying to control a narrative. Either way, 'shop talk' should never interfere with whatever is going on on 'social' media.. or was it the other way around

I look forward to seeing those new builds, or even threads about your old one's. I am not much for 'shop talk' as I lack applicable knowledge, but I can enjoy looking at prutty pictures!