Manufacturers and dealers to avoid

[slowlane]

altecart@rogers.com is advertising on Kijiji Canada. Will not identify corporate info concerning validation tag (power-assisted bicycle regulations in Ontario). There is a web address for altecart with many topics and photos of "custom" ebike. Not only evasive on mutipule emails, also insulting...could be kids behind this, certainly not businesss mentality. I find one reference on ES with link...it don't work.

 

[Anonymous]

What does beavinator got against duct-tape? Doc has contributed more to this forum than you'll ever imagine, It's thanks to his help that my bike runs sweet 0-94km/h's in 6-7seconds... and I was a noob a year ago and still count myself as nowhere near 1% of Doc's knowledge,
I used duct-tape to cover the battery case door, duct-tape is possibly the best tape to use for battery case assembly if you're in a rush to get fast speed and don't want to construct painfully slowly.
You have no right to criticize a man's work, and knowing the excellent builds on ES i think you should go read more like I did when i first started here
maan o man you should've seen the sparks I got flying out of old packs i practiced on first, i picked up my old physics books, finished them in a couple of hours and then picked up a few phd theses to read up on battery management and thermal management... then came the ES threads... it's exciting

Thanks for the tip John. From now on instead of putting a lock on my bike ill just throw some duct tape on it. In my opinion and most normal people's just because your bike doesn't look like a piece of shit covered in duct tape I wouldnt say that you are a poser. Id say that the guy flying by at 60 mph with parts flying off his bike is more of a poser!

 

[TylerDurden]

I think Beavinator has apologized to DoctorBass via PM.

As for duct-tape, zip ties, etc:

 

[999zip999]

I got a new C.A. and plugged it in to my 4840 crst. con. to turn it down to 25amp. to save my 48v20ah ping. Yes yes finnaly. O.k. I do the shunt adj. with the second stand alone C.A. o.k. no help 33amps. full throttle. Yes I did turn it down to 25amp.So I send it back to with the 4840 crstallyte con.( my old one ) to be reworked. He opens up the controller and it's O.K. . The new C.A. is defected so he will replace and calibate my New new C.A. GREAT ! But know I pay for three shipping of 20 dollars and call it a day ? It was a manifacter defect so will not name names but every step in this build is the same. Ping said a 48v20 is ok with a bmc 600hs and 4840 con.. 6mos.ok. There are to many bugs and potholes in this ev-bike hobby. O.K. I get it it's a hobby. But to make one for a friend 20 miles away is now his hobby. Thanks everybody for the help or I would gone to walmart for a Izip with 2 lead batteries on the side.

 

[slowlane]

Daymac of Toronto has a UL warning on battery charger, unapproved, don't know about performance. News topic is Sempter 30, 2010. Owners should be able to exchange cost free.

 

[imijxirdneh]

Can't seem to find many options that aren't made in china. Anyone have a suggestions for a 48v kit for a Schwinn Sidewinder 26?

 

[Golden Motor Canada]

Hello All

Im sure coming in here with this username is probably going to make others wary of any comments I may make. But I am not trying to hide my identity in any way.

My name is Gary Salo, I run Golden Motor Canada. I have read many of the negative posts on ES about Golden Motor and some positive as well which does surprise me. We do get trolls from ES (at least they state they are from ES) coming over to our forum sometimes to shake things up and it does make me feel sometimes that no one at ES would ever admit to liking the product.

I have read and heard many negative things. Most of them dating from 2007 - 2009. I Joined GM as a dealer in October 2009 and since have sold quite a few items as well as had several warranty issues. All of my issues to date have been resolved 100 percent. Most warranty issues have been from the new Magic Pie and its internal Controller. They are however getting better and we do have Magic Pies with external controllers as an option now as well. Also I have read about issues with the spoke angle on the Magic Pie and this to has been addressed and the spokes are now at a much more reasonable angle.

Anyway I fear this will look like a sales pitch and I assure you that is not my intent. I just would like to say since my involvment with GM things seem to be on an upswing. If you do visit our forum someday you of course will see people with issues. Most company based forums are never even found unless you have an issue. Some issues do seems to linger longer then would be desired for both the customer and myself, But I do seem to be making some headway in GM warranty and support issues. Allthough I still have to admit it is an uphill fight.

I am sorry I can not go back in time and fix issues from the past, but I do try to get things right as we more forward. I do expect some to respond negatively at my apperance here and I understand that. Im just trying to do the right thing.

Gary

 

[Spacey]

Just for the record I ordered a Magic Pie external controller from Gary and all was well. The only issue I had with my other Magic Pie wheel was that the nipples on the spoke came loose and ended up in the rim and the wheel was egg shaped a bit. This motor was bought direct from GM.

The new wheel/motor from Gary GM.CA is very round and wheel shaped for a lower speed build that will climb any hill the Magic Pie's rock. They do love an external controller though.

 

[Gordo]

Hello All

Im sure coming in here with this username is probably going to make others wary of any comments I may make. But I am not trying to hide my identity in any way.

My name is Gary Salo, I run Golden Motor Canada. I have read many of the negative posts on ES about Golden Motor and some positive as well which does surprise me. We do get trolls from ES (at least they state they are from ES) coming over to our forum sometimes to shake things up and it does make me feel sometimes that no one at ES would ever admit to liking the product.

I have read and heard many negative things. Most of them dating from 2007 - 2009. I Joined GM as a dealer in October 2009 and since have sold quite a few items as well as had several warranty issues. All of my issues to date have been resolved 100 percent. Most warranty issues have been from the new Magic Pie and its internal Controller. They are however getting better and we do have Magic Pies with external controllers as an option now as well. Also I have read about issues with the spoke angle on the Magic Pie and this to has been addressed and the spokes are now at a much more reasonable angle.

Anyway I fear this will look like a sales pitch and I assure you that is not my intent. I just would like to say since my involvment with GM things seem to be on an upswing. If you do visit our forum someday you of course will see people with issues. Most company based forums are never even found unless you have an issue. Some issues do seems to linger longer then would be desired for both the customer and myself, But I do seem to be making some headway in GM warranty and support issues. Allthough I still have to admit it is an uphill fight.

I am sorry I can not go back in time and fix issues from the past, but I do try to get things right as we more forward. I do expect some to respond negatively at my apperance here and I understand that. Im just trying to do the right thing.

Gary

Gary you are either a brave man or a fool to take on the job of flack catcher for chinese crap. I think you are a good guy who may survive if GM does not totally hang you out to dry. In the past 40 years, I have been in many different businesses and seen the oriental model repeated over and over. The buyer is the quality control and is always wrong. I have lived it and suffered from it with Koreans, Japanese, Taiwanese and Chinese. From piston rings, to paint guns, to motherboards, video cards, communications equipment, FAX machines and 100 other products. I grew up listening to the myth of the honorable person doing anything to save "face." My experience is just the opposite. They would rather loose a $10,000 a month account than eat one single $100 non-functional piece of crap they sent you.
Your only hope is to get a supply of the 10 cent part that makes a $100 motor worthless or have enough markup to eat the failures. I wish you well and hope you charge enough to be successful. You are not doing anyone a favor if you go broke and disappear. If you are not there, we all loose. Don't bend over too far for idiots who blow things up either. They will try and blackmail you by threats of posting negative comments.
Thanks for the visit and laying out your program.

 

[Dynamic]

altecart@rogers.com is advertising on Kijiji Canada. Will not identify corporate info concerning validation tag (power-assisted bicycle regulations in Ontario). There is a web address for altecart with many topics and photos of "custom" ebike. Not only evasive on mutipule emails, also insulting...could be kids behind this, certainly not businesss mentality. I find one reference on ES with link...it don't work.

The add was for custom made bikes, which i build out of my home, for people that want a one of a kind looking bike (chopper etc.) or for anyone that would like a more powerfull bike then the ones they sell in stores.

all you kept asking me (in all your emails) was for corporate info, validation tags, business licences, if they were street legal etc.

you didn't ask any questions what so ever about how much it costs for this or that.
I had no idea if you were someone going after people that build bikes over 500 watts and fine them, it didn't look like you were looking for a custom bike.

People looking for or build their own custom bike want more power then 500watts and speeds over the street limit of 32km.

so after all the emails (asking for business licences, are they street legal etc.) i finally told you to go to walmart or canadian tire and buy a street legal bike.

 

[Golden Motor Canada]

Gary you are either a brave man or a fool to take on the job of flack catcher for chinese crap.

Hi Gordo

Thats a powerfull line. The Reality is, pretty much all this ebike stuff is made in china. I guess the one thing that seperates the chinese crap and the chinese good stuff is the person or people that stand between the crap and the consumer and how they respond to issues. I do believe GM is trying to turn there image into a more positive light. Also I do like the product and the leading edge innovations GM has put forward. If you do any research on me or my efforts you will see that I am certainly taking the challenge head on. Thank you for your comments.

Enjoy the Ride
Gary

 

[317537]

Golden Motor CA and Gary is the best. The GM product line certainly looks the part. The face behind the product in GM's case makes a big difference.

Good entry level kits. Seems the packs are not complaining after a good balance charge. It s been a huge learning experience for us over there and IMO customer knowledge enhances the product and its image in this game.

Thank you. 8)

 

[Dynamic]

I have never payed any attention to any posts regarding to the name GM on this forum. only because I thought it had to do with what General Motors(Car Manufacture) was coming out with ( I wanted to read about electric bikes, not cars, Call me stupid or what ever )
After reading this topic, i realized that they ( GM ) are an EV supplier, and in Canada.

And for someone coming on here (Manufacturers to avoid) saying anything about a company days or weeks before their item is scheduled to arrive is uncalled for.
At first ( by reading this topic about GM ) i thought this company was just like EV Components or going in that direction.

@ Gary ( from GM )
I think you handled yourself well, I think you already new ( from your comments )that the person that started this was getting their item on time (which they did get it before the due date)
You were just waiting for them to put their foot in their mouth

Anyway, now that i know about GM, i will check out your website.

 

[317537]

Well he's not really a manufacturer but a person. I am totally new to the e-bike scene and most people I have had contact with have been super helpful in answering any questions I have had. One person I have nothing good to say about is that Doctor Bass guy. I guess he is so full of himself and thinks he is so much smarter than me that he can't be bothered with a newbie. He might be smart but his bikes have no effort put into the quality of workmanship department and he seems to really like the duct tape. Thankfully most other people on here have really helped me learn a lot of info in a small amount of time so I thank them.

LMAO.

Think of a really tiny person with a high pitched voice.


Well he's not really a manufacturer but a person. I am totally new to the e-bike scene and most people I have had contact with have been super helpful in answering any questions I have had. One person I have nothing good to say about is that Doctor Bass guy. I guess he is so full of himself and thinks he is so much smarter than me that he can't be bothered with a newbie. He might be smart but his bikes have no effort put into the quality of workmanship department and he seems to really like the duct tape. Thankfully most other people on here have really helped me learn a lot of info in a small amount of time so I thank them.



I have seen Doc try to post to every one that heeds his words. Quite funny actually.

This is an evolving community. Big fish helps, medium fish. and medium fish, helps little fish and so on. It all comes from the Gods and Accidentals in the end, The Gods, who are just people with time restraints.. I'd be lucky to get responses from the DocBadass, for I all knows he hates me, or doesnt know me from a bar of soap, but I have to accept this, it called having a life.. Like Doctor Bass's popularity and success here has any bearing over the fate of the universe. I still read and watch his stuff on the net. Very entertaining and inspiring.

But there are generation gaps growing in this community. This has to happen, as any individual on these forums need space to move beyond answering anyones posts.

As for the Duct tape, never judge a book by its cover and never judge a book without its cover just the same. A lot of changing different configurations over a short period makes it hard to build the ultimate check plate battery box and allow it to be practical.

Look, you open a thread and you see Docs pics and even a video and it is truly inspiring . Whether it turns out good or bad the data is always good.

Dont judge the Doc like this, as you have judged him now, you put yourself up for judgment.. Understand this large community culture, and be judged no more is my 2c. Like I should talk.

 

[Andje]

only a fool would look around this forum and then hate on using duct tape for battery packs. If that is the opinion you have generated from analyzing this forum, i think a lot of people will laugh.
Doctorbass responded immediately to a polite message from me and was helpful. And his bike goes 106 km/h :O.

 

[317537]

If that is the opinion you have generated from analyzing this forum, i think a lot of people will laugh.

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Your point ?

So I will have a lot of people laughing at me at ES if I feel Doctor Bass might not respond to me because he is too busy? Ohhhhh Noeees!!!!!1... 10 ES brownie points for the fanboi.

So if Doctor Bass didnt repond to your PM, you would cry too is what you have defined? My point is, who cares and why should it matter if anyone missed a post or PM.

So what if he didnt repond to your PM? Is this really a bad thing? Your opinion of what others may have time for is rather limited.

Like I could disconnect my net and make a bike that goes 106kph. Do I have the resources? yes! Could I do it? Way yes. Do I want to go this fast? nope. Do I care? nope!

I woulkd hate to be laughed at by a lot of people.. Are you suggesting it happens a lot here for such small reasons?

 

[Ypedal]

guys.. please.. we are detracting from the subject.. " Manufacturers " .. DrB is not a vendor in that sense of the word and what is being discussed here has nothing to do with buying/selling.. Anything Dr sold was received and those who spent money for this stuff are taken care of..

About not always answering pm's or emails, i admit i don't get it all, i try but it's hard sometimes when you plan to check a quick refresh on the forum and get a pM you don't have time to reply to ( like those 1000 word essays of not quite questions but conversations ) .. it's not that i don't want to chat with anyone but i don't have 5 minutes to write a long winded reply at the moment , have to run, forget i read that PM and it gets mixed in with the dozen more i got that day.. sometimes people have to PM me a 2nd and 3rd time lol.. i mean nothing bad by it but it happens and i'm sorry for those who got missed, it's not personal, i just did not have the time..

Ask a quick, to the point, short question, get a quick one back is a good rule to follow. :wink:

so.. lets keep posting in this discussion thread as much on topic as possible .. thanks .

 

[Lessss]

Please clean up those posts by removing them(and this one).

 

[Toorbough ULL-Zeveigh]

yeah that dr.bass/alto/whatever is so self-centered that he wouldn't even give me one of his kidneys.
what makes him so all fired up important that he needs both???

 

[MudMomMerry]

We bought an Amped Bikes kit for our daughter who is 14. When it arrived the front wheel made a clicking noise. After some runaround with the owner (I think his name is Danny), which took far too long considering what the problem was, he told us we had to go to a bike shop and buy a wrench and tighten the spokes on the wheel. This seemed pretty lame when he should have done that before he sent it to us, but anyway we go to the store and buy a wrench, and it turns out that the wrenches they sell at the bike store don't even work on this wheel. The spokes are actually motorcycle spokes! So we had to go to a motorcycle shop clear across town and buy this special wrench to adjust this silly wheel that should have been tightened before it ever got shipped. Every spoke on it was loose. I guess he just gets the parts and doesn't even check them. We won't be doing business with him again.

 

[Spacey]

These bikes/kits are not always just work straight out of the box. Even when you buy a normal bike without a motor you have to adjust some settings. Be glad that the spokes are of a decent size as it shows the seller is not cheaping out on components.

 

[ebikemike]

These bikes/kits are not always just work straight out of the box. Even when you buy a normal bike without a motor you have to adjust some settings. Be glad that the spokes are of a decent size as it shows the seller is not cheaping out on components.

That's just not right. Of course they should work straight out of the box. There is a difference between "adjusting settings" and having to tighten all the spokes on a wheel. There is also a legit gripe about poor customer service and lack of responsibility, especially concerning loose spokes on a 14yr old girl's bike!

And FYI...bigger is NOT better when it comes to spokes on hub motor wheels. It doesn't demonstrate that "the seller is not cheaping out". It demonstrates a lack of knowledge about wheel building and/or zero effort to build the wheel the right way with a more appropriate gauge (smaller) or even double butted spokes.

This person got a potentially dangerous wheel for their 14yr old daughter, was treated unfairly and unprofessionally in response to the problem and you defend the ignorant, unresponsive and irresponsible seller. There should be more accountability IMO.

 

[neptronix]

^---that's what you get when you sell hobbyist parts to the non-hobbyist market.

For example, did you know that these wheels are machine built? and sloppily at that? Many veterans on ES would know this, but Joe consumer doesn't and i'm sure ampedbikes didn't mention it on their site.

Cheaper eBike kits just plain don't have the fit-and-polish of the more expensive stuff, such as the $1600 Bionx..

Trust me when i say you are better off with the 'motorcycle spokes' anyway. I've seen more eBike wheels with 14ga spokes that are completely buggered ( missing spokes, bent spokes, etc. ) than i can count. 13ga. seems to be where this stops being a problem, 12ga is extra insurance.

And a bike store CAN deal with them, sounds like yours was just not willing to buy the extra $10 tool. Time to find a new bike shop cuz that's pretty sad!

Don't be too irked. This is quite typical for a pre-built eBike wheel. I believe Danny could have handled it better, but this is typical.

 

[Lessss]

Mag wheels are better for people like this than spokes.

 

[Ypedal]

A cheap park tool spoke wrench can be made to work with a few passes on a dremel with cutting disks..