Meet my custom Sur-ron... Juanito!

I have watched kids rip through neighborhoods on various powered devices for years, then the fun police outlaw them, so they make em louder/faster/whatever and the cycle goes ever on.

Last year three kids died in UK while riding high powered mopeds with pedals. Two hit lamp post, third hit ambulance. Sometimes price of stupidity is to high.
 
My pov is it's only a dick move if you ride like a dick. As long as you ride responsibly there's no problem. I see more bicyclers riding like dicks on the trail than SurRon riders, but both groups have their issues.

Sadly, this is standard Surron/Stealth mentality. It's this kind of narrow-minded thinking that will lead to the American ban on e-bikes in a few years. To make matters worse, since you guys aren't true EV enthusiasts, you'll never give a sh!t. I think the EV community ought to be more harsh when it comes to Surrons and Stealths "dirty" riders.

I shall cry a river, if you dare label me a jealous hay-durr.
 
Sadly, this is standard Surron/Stealth mentality. It's this kind of narrow-minded thinking that will lead to the American ban on e-bikes in a few years. To make matters worse, since you guys aren't true EV enthusiasts, you'll never give a sh!t. I think the EV community ought to be more harsh when it comes to Surrons and Stealths "dirty" riders.

I shall cry a river, if you dare label me a jealous hay-durr.
I think you're making a mountain out of a molehill. LOL dirty eBike riders, we should join the Hells Angels LOL.

What about these guys? I like riding with them because their wheels are FAF and they have huge range. They have no qualms about riding the street or trail, and can go 50 mph.
 
I think you're making a mountain out of a molehill. LOL dirty eBike riders, we should join the Hells Angels LOL.

What about these guys? I like riding with them because their wheels are FAF and they have huge range. They have no qualms about riding the street or trail, and can go 50 mph.

You seem like a jolly good fellow, so my conscience convinced me to take the high-road.
 
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Here's an example of what I don't like about normie eBikes (legal eBike). I don't know this guy, but he's riding in my neighborhood. His bike is so dangerously slow he's afraid to ride it on the street, and for good reason. Dallas drivers will run you over just to teach you a lesson. This part of town is miles away from any city trail of significance that could actually get you somewhere.

 
Here's an example of what I don't like about normie eBikes (legal eBike).
I promise you that there isn't a compelling enough argument to support what you're doing.

Once again, I would be more than happy to help you with whatever information you need to have it insured and plated, or building a semi-street legal or a sleeper eBike.


Cheers!
 
Sounds like an awful place full of nasty people. So you say it is best to avoid? Thanks.
For many years Dallas was considered the most unfriendly bicycle city in the country. It's gotten a little better in the last 10 years largely because of efforts from urban bicyclers that Chalo alluded to that show up to city council meetings, and lobby for bicycle rights.
 
I promise you that there isn't a compelling enough argument to support what you're doing.

Once again, I would be more than happy to help you with whatever information you need to have it insured and plated, or building a semi-street legal or a sleeper eBike.


Cheers!
Thanks, I need all the help I can get. If we go for a ride I'll bring one of my other bikes.
 
Thanks, I need all the help I can get. If we go for a ride I'll bring one of my other bikes.

In LV, all you need is a clean serial number, turn signals, brake lights, headlights, and taillights in order to register your Stealth as a moped.

Registration fee (tags), 30–45 mph max speed limit (traffic flow); Texas does NOT require insurance for moped.


EDIT: I meant serial number, not the VIN. It should be on every bicycle.
 
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In LV, all you need is a clean VIN, turn signals, brake lights, headlights, and taillights in order to register your Stealth as a moped.

Registration fee (tags), 30–45 mph max speed limit (traffic flow); Texas does NOT require insurance for moped.

Can anyone from TX confirm this?

All Stealth's come from the factory limited to the legal requirements of whatever country it's being shipped to, so there's no need to register it. The owner would have to do something to it to make it illegal, but the same can be said about any other eBike.
 
All Stealth's come from the factory limited to the legal requirements of whatever country it's being shipped to, so there's no need to register it. The owner would have to do something to it to make it illegal, but the same can be said about any other eBike.
Please reply via DM. I'm sure the admins are tired of seeing Juanito, haha.

The state of Texas defines electric bikes as an electric assisted bicycle equipped with a motor of less than 750w. Electric bikes are classified as:

  • Class 1: electric bikes equipped with a pedal-assist only motor which stops when the bike reaches 20 mph.
  • Class 2: electric bikes equipped with a motor that may be used exclusively to propel the bicycle and stop when the bike reaches the speed of 20 mph.
  • Class 3: electric bikes equipped with a motor that provides assistance only when the rider is pedaling and stops when the rider stops pedaling or when the bicycle reaches the speed of 28 mph.
I apologize for who ever told you about the "pedal loophole" conspiracy, but it's not legally an "e-bike" just because the pedals work. Everyone is aware that a stealth is advertised as having 72v and 12,000 gigawatts. Its so much different if it was an actual bicycle converted to an ebike. You just can't put pedals on a Tesla and call it an ebike... legally.

This is probably what you would want. This in my opinion, is a "pedal loophole". You could make a killer sleeper!


I hope this makes sense....
 
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  • Class 2: electric bikes equipped with a motor that may be used exclusively to propel the bicycle and stop when the bike reaches the speed of 20 mph.
Like I said, this is how my bike came from the factory in 2013, totally legal for street or trail riding. There's no prohibition to having additional power curves for "off road only" riding. In Texas working pedals don't necessarily make an eBike legal, but all eBikes are required to have them. Your problem isn't with my bike, but rather you're making assumptions about my riding conduct that you don't the receipts to justify.
 
Like I said, this is how my bike came from the factory in 2013, totally legal for street or trail riding. There's no prohibition to having additional power curves for "off road only" riding. In Texas working pedals don't necessarily make an eBike legal, but all eBikes are required to have them. Your problem isn't with my bike, but rather you're making assumptions about my riding conduct that you don't the receipts to justify.

My assumptions on your riding style are still unmade. You did attempt to persuade me that you ride "responsibly", though, by showing me a video of you flying at 50mph through a neighborhood.

Claiming to be little Mrs. Daisy still isn't a compelling enough argument to support what you're doing. The Stealth and Surron were intended to be off-road trail bikes (electric dirtbikes) right out of the factory, period. Since it has license plate holders, it is legal to register it as a motorbike or moped to be used on public roads.




Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.
 
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My assumptions on your riding style are still unmade. You did attempt to persuade me that you ride "responsibly", though, by showing me a video of you flying at 50mph through a neighborhood.
Actually we were riding on the street at very near the speed limit. When you ride a bike or EUC on the street that's the best way not to get mowed down from behind. I do call that riding responsibly.
 
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