Modern model T ev

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can it be done? with the xprize of ev's being i think a epic fail can a low cost good range ev be mfg i have done some numbers and models 100mile plus range 3 seater can be produced and sold for less than 14k without li-po this ev would have to come to market via private funds/mfg as forces would try to keep it off the market. and it's really not new tech more like Kiss tech.

Input ???
 
amberwolf said:
Can you afford the crash testing?

Oh, the perfect response. And yet only the beginning. There's ways around the crash testing, such as building a 3 wheel car so it's a motorcycle and doesn't require it. But bringing the car to market will take a lot more than building something that more or less works, such as the Model T was. And the Model T's were getting parked and abandoned as obsolete and unsuitable for driving while the car was still on the market. Maybe that's not the role model we need.

The XPrize for space led to Burt Rutan spending more than $10 million, though he was sponsored. That's long been the thinking, plus the spending of others who don't win the prize, so they expect they're generating over $100 million in development by offering that $10 million. So you really need to just plain WANT to do it, without seeking a prize to pay for it.

The Orteig Prize, the original inspiration was a bust at first. During the initial 5 year duration from 1919 to 1924 noone mounted a serious effort to win the $25,000. When another 5 years was offered, the accidents, and fatalities, began. The prize was a two edged sword; the companies that were considered most likely to build the winner, Fokker, Wright and it's spinoff Bellanca, etc., were more concerned with decided what sort of plane they wanted to offer the customers who wanted one just like the winner of the Orteig Prize than with building the plane capable of winning. Bellanca went so far as to try to take a customers' money but not let him fly the plane, they really thought they could just grab and get away with it. Too bad for them: Instead of conning him, they should have just let Charles Lindbergh have their WB2 instead of forcing him to go to little known Ryan Airlines, a near bankrupt company which became a household name for building 'The Spirt of St. Louis' for half what Bellanca had promised him he'd get the WB2 for before they welched. Turned out Lindbergh was able to make the first transAtlantic flight for considerably less than the Orteig Prize offered. Another of the many missteps by Bellanca. . . .
 
I've considered what I would try if I came across some near free stuff. For the reasons you state, its easier to get a vehicle road legal if it already has a conventional road registration. I would mate the front of a 4-wheeler to the swingarm of a motorcycle to make a two-seat tadpole, and I would register it as the motorcycle half. I know this requires a VIN that is stamped on the frame, so I would cut that part out (head-tube?), and weld that section onto the head-tube of the 4-wheel ATV.

I would use John's Mini-Monster motor mounted to the top of the swingarm, and the 18-FET (72V / 60A), for 45-MPH capability around town capability (no highways). The main part of the frame where the stock engine and transmission had been would be all battery. I'll probably never know what problems would come up if I ever tried this, but that's the plan for when I win the lottery.

For an ICE, I would put one together with a tiny Kubota turbo-diesel.
 
The fingers said:
I volunteer to road test/demo the car. :D

What's needed at the moment is crash test DUMMIES. You're a volunteer, eh?

spinningmagnets said:
. . . . I would register it as the motorcycle half. I know this requires a VIN that is stamped on the frame, so . . .

. . . .They would issue you a new VIN. Among other things a number capturing where you built it and who YOU are.
 
amberwolf said:
Can you afford the crash testing?
Yes 3 wheel trike no crash testing needed but some will be done as unit cost are not high plus some has already been done on the old design, just debating the scale, full out 3seater or the Wright brothers way small single seat, then two,then three really don't want the design to be seen until all test are done and production can start as thier some new school old school regen app's that make this car work.
 
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Have you seen the FFAB posting I made some time back? Here's the Facebook page link and I'll update the London to Gibraltar test-drive posting too. https://www.facebook.com/pages/Tour-de-4s/441808142560921

They leave on May 7th

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An obliquely related thread has popped up. http://www.endless-sphere.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=49394&p=729377#p729377 A 3 wheeler powered by a single rear hub would be a cheap, simple thing at the expense of niceties, which is what a Model T reference calls for. 100hp is good econobox performance.

An old kitcar tailor made for the concept.

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