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Well I met the guy for the first time at the pub. We talked about music and philosophy. Had some common interests, so kept ddrinking. He wanted to charge his laptop so we went to my usual chill outspot in the park cos tthere'sa pPowerPoint there..
He was keen to try my bike but didn't hastle me about it. So I thought on the park would be pretty safe.

I had considered the inefficiency of the motor making it less than 200watt.
Anyway that's not an issue with me getting it back. Just an issue for the guy riding to proceed with legally riding a motorcycle or bicycle. DUI on bicycle isn't really a thing the cop said.

Hopefully I get it back today.
If not Monday.
I wonder how much the battery will discharge by Monday? It was at 90.1v I think.

I hope that guy is OK. He was in allot of pain.
 
Hyena said:
Oh snap. Literally.
I'm sure you'll be right, if the CA is reading anywhere around 200w it'll read much less on the dyno. Don't forget it doesnt take into account motor inefficiency and drive train losses and the figures we've all come to quote from our CAs are really battery power and not the shove we've getting to the ground.
I'm curious on a few details though - when you say you met this guy and shared several drinks with him, do you mean you actual just met him for the first time or kinda knew him and met up with/bumped into him there ? I won't pass judgement on you picking up random blokes and then offering them a ride on your 'motorcycle' :lol:
It's interesting how it'll play out though as far as this guys injuries go. You can't be held responsible if he was riding either way, and technically he was pissed so there's going to be no insurance or anything even if it was applicable to start with (maybe personal injury / income protection insurance if he's off work - I dont think that matters how it happens as long as it's not a suicide attempt ? )
Did the police know he was pissed ? I assume the law there is you're still treated the same for DUI on a push bike as in a car ? I guess it's a grey area as you were in a park and not on the road, but it's technically still a public place... If it wasn't obvious they probably wouldn't have had cause to do a blood test at the hospital so he might be right.

I take it this was the monster bike ? Running a big chicken motor company motor ?
Might be just as well you don't have those new HEB stickers on as the police could google it but as long as you're in 200w mode it shouldn't matter either way.
On a related note I had a meeting in the city the other day and rode my bike. I didnt want to leave it on the street for hours so I wheeled it through the building and chained it up to a back internal balcony.
When I came back a security guard was standing around and asked me lots of questions. He was genuinely interested in ebikes though and said he wanted to get one so wasn't there to give me a hard time. First thing he asked was about the power and I said "200w officer" and he laughed and said "ok so I assume this is the 2000w model" At first I'm thinking "WTF, how does he know that?". Then I realised I had the new stickers on the bike and he must have looked up my site it on his phone while standing around around. Ahhh...

Keep us posted on how it goes!
I hope the cops don't have your bike for too long, no doubt this isn't a regular thing for them so it might take some time to sort out.
And bad timing considering I'm coming to town next week! That throws our plans into a bit of a spin...
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Oh yeah also the cop senior Sargent. Googled the crystalyte motor. Couldn't find power ratings apparently. Should have pointed to 200watt sticker hey.
 
aggghhh im stressing over this situation. im going to call the police station and see if they dyno'ed it yet.
havent heared from the injured guy either.

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i was worried if they didnt dyno it today the controller would flaten the battery so i rang the cops that have my bike and asked them to unplug the controller and gave instructions on how to use the precharge resistor button to connect it again.
 
Hey bro,

Strange situation your in there

I can't understand why they took the bike, your mate fell off, you didn't run him over, shame you didn't just clear out with your bike before the popo arrived

Lucky you have that legal setting on it!

This kind of sets a precedent, as I've never heard of cops dynoing an e bike before, I even believe it is really difficult for them to do without a specialized rig

Are they smart enough to wire in a watt meter, or are they gonna try to dyno the rear wheel

Shame you don't have a self distruct mode you could trigger, lipo fire the police station :twisted:
 
deffx said:
Hey bro,

Strange situation your in there

I can't understand why they took the bike, your mate fell off, you didn't run him over, shame you didn't just clear out with your bike before the popo arrived

Lucky you have that legal setting on it!

This kind of sets a precedent, as I've never heard of cops dynoing an e bike before, I even believe it is really difficult for them to do without a specialized rig

Are they smart enough to wire in a watt meter, or are they gonna try to dyno the rear wheel

Shame you don't have a self distruct mode you could trigger, lipo fire the police station :twisted:
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yeah i could have just took off but he was crying and i was in empathy mode you know. just wanted him to be ok.

the dyno situation is interesting yes it is a precedent for sure afaik. ill be putp a post in the 200watt limit thread for sure.
here i am a tax payer with no recreational vehicle that ive poured my heart and soul into for months because they want to test it so spesifically when they almost definately lack the hardware to do so.
very strange unique situation.
im guessing the dyno will just not move and the controllers motor stall protect will cut it out every time they try to throttle, or the wheel will spin ontop of the roller because it only weighs 40kg. there are allot of thoughts going through my head. wondering if that guy is ok. did the cops just want to sus my bike? why is he stressing over 280watt when limit 200att ... all that is my bike just outside not locked up? they said it would be in loked yard .
imagine if the guy gets done dui for motorcycle because its 280 watt.. omg

well lets see how it plays out.
cop should call me shortly, he said he would and seemed legit.
 
Mate, don't stress.

No one has carked it, you didn't rob anyone, legal mode, the sun will still rise tomorrow.

All will be OK.

ps. don't let people you don't know ride it again... :wink:

Cheers,

Matt
 
deffx said:
Hey bro,

Strange situation your in there

I can't understand why they took the bike, your mate fell off, you didn't run him over, shame you didn't just clear out with your bike before the popo arrived

Lucky you have that legal setting on it!

This kind of sets a precedent, as I've never heard of cops dynoing an e bike before, I even believe it is really difficult for them to do without a specialized rig

Are they smart enough to wire in a watt meter, or are they gonna try to dyno the rear wheel

Shame you don't have a self distruct mode you could trigger, lipo fire the police station :twisted:
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+1, I wonder If the police have a contract with some local speed shop with a dyno set up to measure CRF50s and stuff? You question in bold is a good one. The only concern I have based on what Pen D reported was that when the cops seize a vehicle, or property, that means there are going to, or look into filing charges against some one. I am betting that PenD's drinking buddy is being looked into for DUI for whatever the Australian equivalent is. The cops sure as hell didn't take the bike for safe keeping with PenD on-scene. Be that as it may, if PenD doesn't get his bike back quick, needs to contact the prosecuting attorneys office handling the prosecution for this and tell them its his only source of transportation to and from work and request it writing to be released to him. Explain in writing about the battery maintenance needed and what could happen if that's not done. If police departments in Australia are like the ones in the states, and the lipos go bad due to lack of care, they will be on the hook for replacement costs.

Rick
 
Yeah Rix, the senior cop said they have some contract guys to test it.

Ill have to call the police station on Monday and remind them. But its all documented on the file that the owner isn't being prosecuted.

Hopefully they will drop it off undamaged on Monday afterwork.

And yeah i rang them and explained about disconnecting the battery, so that should be OK.
Heaps nice day for a ride with my gf. That's the bike she rides.
 
Man, it still sucks.

I'm not convinced the cops had the legal right to take your bike, and there isn't really any precedent when it comes to testing it either.

It seems to me their curiosity got the better of them.

If they aren't planning on prosecuting you, then what are they doing it for? To ping something else on the guy who is in hospital? It seems strange to me...

In other news, my bike has died, the BMS smoked. One of the cell banks is low and I'm not sure if it is the BMS's fault but it needs to be tested before I replace the BMS.

Currently trying to find someone who has a 3.6-3.7v charger, so I can measure the amount of AH that the cell bank takes and whether it holds its voltage...
 
Architectonic said:
Man, it still sucks.

I'm not convinced the cops had the legal right to take your bike, and there isn't really any precedent when it comes to testing it either.

It seems to me their curiosity got the better of them.

If they aren't planning on prosecuting you, then what are they doing it for? To ping something else on the guy who is in hospital? It seems strange to me...

In other news, my bike has died, the BMS smoked. One of the cell banks is low and I'm not sure if it is the BMS's fault but it needs to be tested before I replace the BMS.

Currently trying to find someone who has a 3.6-3.7v charger, so I can measure the amount of AH that the cell bank takes and whether it holds its voltage...
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I agree with you man. Maby they wanted to investigate it. I was talking to my friend Scope who I go riding with allot and he said he thinks they will take this opportunity to see what these electric bikes are all about.
I did say to the senior cop if someone goes riding it around with the cell monitors unplugged they battery will be damaged. He said he wouldn't risk his job to joy ride someone's vehicle. But who knows how true that is. I don't care if they change the power limit after they test it and do a lap of the impound yard or whatever as long as the cells don't go too low. And when they put on the front wheel not damaging the brake. And they didn't tie it down in the patty wagon. Just standing up on forks leaning on wheel arch/inside wall.
I might drive my Ute tomorrow and see if they can drop it off to my work. I don't want to have to go all the way to north west side of city from south. And then to west. That would take hours in peak traffic.

Anyway Architectonic, if you want to use my bc168 drop in some time. Pm me. Maby catch up on Friday anyway.
 
I got a call from the senior cop that took my bike.

it passed the test
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He said. Its ready for me to pick up. Bit of a stuff around to get it but would be the quickest way for me to get it back.
I have no idea how they tested it sorry guys. But Ido know it peaked at 280 when ythe CA overshot and they have decided in this particular case it passes the 200watt limit.

I'll check the cell levels when I pick it up.

Then I have to bend back the left crank.

I asked the senior cop to pass on my phone number to the guy that was injured while riding it.
 
I call BS, but a nice BS :wink: . Sounds to me the cops just turned into "parent" mode and just confiscated/grounded your bike as a life lesson for a few weeks. I bet they didn't do anything with the bike as far as testing. They had enough time to thoroughly look it over and play with all the settings so they know it's potential. Or maybe there is a few good/wise cops that gave you a freebie card. Bigger fish to fry out there like violent crimes.
 
melodious said:
I call BS, but a nice BS :wink: . Sounds to me the cops just turned into "parent" mode and just confiscated/grounded your bike as a life lesson for a few weeks. I bet they didn't do anything with the bike as far as testing. They had enough time to thoroughly look it over and play with all the settings so they know it's potential. Or maybe there is a few good/wise cops that gave you a freebie card. Bigger fish to fry out there like violent crimes.
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Yeah that's possible. I guess it would make sense to not leave me with the bike seeing as the guy Iwas drinking with just injured himself badly. like duty of care, and teach me a lesson.
 
Good news!
Can you ring the cop back (or ask when you pick it up) the specifics of how they tested it ? Tell them you are genuinely interested as an ebike enthusiast, that you own another ebike too and want to do the right thing by the law. If you can find out where they test it it'd be interesting to give them a call and find out what it actually turned out (or if it even turned the rollers!) It may have been that they made a few calls and someone in the know told them that if it only spiked to 280w on the CA then it's not going to be more than 200w on the rollers. We actually have a SA police officer on the forums here. I'm not sure if he's still active though. He contacted me a while back after a performance kit and subsequently ended up on here on ES. I can't remember what ever came of it.

So, we might still be on for a 200w scoot around the city come Friday ? Looks like it's not raining so that's a start.
 
melodious said:
I call BS, but a nice BS :wink: . Sounds to me the cops just turned into "parent" mode and just confiscated/grounded your bike as a life lesson for a few weeks. I bet they didn't do anything with the bike as far as testing. They had enough time to thoroughly look it over and play with all the settings so they know it's potential. Or
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that gave you a freebie card. Bigger fish to fry out there like violent crimes.
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Well, this is possible, but trust me on this, not all cops are Ebike stupid :lol: PenD, glad you got your wheels back. When do you pick it up? Happy for you, I know how much blood, sweat, and beers are in that build man. Would suck a sack full of dicks if you didn't get your machine back.

Rick
 
Could of been at the time the cops were afraid of other unknown injuries like internal brain bleeding where the guy can drop dead a day later or so, which tends to happen alot on those "one punch thug" attacks we hear so much about on the news.

If the guy dropped dead a few days later then a full investigation would be mounted and the first on the scene cops would be under pressure for not confiscating all evidents like a fancy looking motorbike.

Or could of been the cops were sick of people riding around on bikes they think probably arn't legal and once they saw your bike plus a screaming injured guy they saw it as a juicy opportunity to really shaft some one and they had this guy below in mind as the shafter..

When cops get sick of stuff they don't like this kind of guy grows inside them just waiting to leap out and really power drive some one.
 

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the pedal crank is a bit bent but not too bad, should be easy to knock it back in the vice.

all cells were balanced around 3.75v

the thermosistor wire was pulled from the plug on the CA so that neded shortening anyway . ill tidy that up and re conect it.

looks like who ever tested it had fun with sparks, there was black char all over the spade lugs. so bad it didnt get power when i first pluged it in. gave it a wiggle and then it was fine.

I dont know how you guys without precharge resistors can handle having that arc every time you plug it in OMG i shit myself when i got it to connect.
 
"It's only a pathetic 200w officer, I swear"
*connects power wire*
*ZAAAAAAAAP*
*troll face*
:mrgreen:

So the endangered species crystalyte bash guard survived ? Any comments on the quality of the welds ? :lol:
 
yeah shes all prety well intact. im guna straighten the bent crank tonight and ill ride to work tomoz i rekon.

the poor contracted dyno guys would have got a fright, maby its just the 18x4115 fet lyen controller that has an unusually epic conection spark.

theres a new rear rim on the way but sorry jay you'll have to ride the egg shaped rear wheel on friday.
 
haha how much voltage are you running in it again ? I didn't realise it was a 4115. Hopefully we have better higher voltage fet options in the near future, I reckon they're really a bit of false economy and akin to the 29er fashion :p
 
Hyena said:
haha how much voltage are you running in it again ? I didn't realise it was a 4115. Hopefully we have better higher voltage fet options in the near future, I reckon they're really a bit of false economy and akin to the 29er fashion :p
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29.. wateva mate... :)
well im runnin 24s lipo but i wantedthe option of steping it up to 30s. ive basically settled on 24 because the top speed o n flat unrestricted is 60 and honestly thats enough. and the plus is with the lightish weight ht3525 that its fairly efficient but also torquey. although the lack of copper and stator does make it hot quick with lots of accelerating in a short period. generally i think the way its setup is a good balance of power speed weight and range
 
Nice end to the story.

I think the answer is that they don't really have means for testing it, so they would have just seen how fast it goes (eg 25kph) and thought meh...

Proper testing would cost time and money for the cops.
 
pendragon8000[/attachment said:
the pedal crank is a bit bent but not too bad, should be easy to knock it back in the vice.

all cells were balanced around 3.75v

the thermosistor wire was pulled from the plug on the CA so that neded shortening anyway . ill tidy that up and re conect it.

looks like who ever tested it had fun with sparks, there was black char all over the spade lugs. so bad it didnt get power when i first pluged it in. gave it a wiggle and then it was fine.

I dont know how you guys without precharge resistors can handle having that arc every time you plug it in OMG i shit myself when i got it to connect.
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Yah, no shit, that spark jumps gets my attention every time, even at only 80 volts. :shock:
 
eheh happy for you , I hope it's not going to be my next step as I already follow you with the broke axle and FT start...,
:oops: I tried the boost config on my kelly think 70% to 100% mode, ...instead it give me a FT...@ 5kph luckly because the 210A peak just send me on my but and the bike on ground doing cercle with the wheel @ 60kph...I had to go trough the dust cloud to pull the main contactor :D :D :D dust 30m around :lol: :lol: :lol:

Cheers Big Ears :wink:
 
Wow dude, missed all this drama...awesome outcome. Props to you for looking after crash bloke. Which crank got bent? Chain ring side or less? I have a bazillion cranks 2nd hand but straight happy to send you one or set for nix cos of your drama plus good stuff you do. Feel free to pm t. Joe
 
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