Motor spinning in reverse

don27dog

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While waiting for my new Crystlyte 4840 setup to arrive I have decided to toy with my old ebikekit. I purchased a cheap 2000w controller from china on ebay. Once i hacked the cable coming from my ebikekit controller i found it had an extra white wire that the new controller didn't have. Anyway a proceeded to connect all of the wires that matched. To the hub without connecting the white wire and low and behold the motor spun and I was estatic for a few seconds until i realised the motor was spinning in reverse. I am hoping it is as simple as switching two wires but i do not know where to begin. Does anyone have any suggestions?
 
Scroll down in this thread. Use and save the wiring combination chart.

http://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=48311&hilit=+Sensor

I posted this in the older of your 2 threads, btw....
 
Swap any two phase wires (the bigger yel,blu,grn) and the rotation should reverse. The hall wires (5 thin red,blk,yel,blue,grn) are a bit more of a challenge getting right but maybe you'll get lucky and the motor will run properly with the colors matched up...it's a starting point anyway.

-R
 
Swap any two phase wires (the bigger yel,blu,grn) and the rotation should reverse. The hall wires (5 thin red,blk,yel,blue,grn) are a bit more of a challenge getting right but maybe you'll get lucky and the motor will run properly with the colors matched up...it's a starting point anyway.

-R
 
Thank you for the link and idea. I will go out to the garage and tinker some more once my daughter goes to bed.
 
Ignore all advice above, because it is either the hard way or could only work if very very lucky.

First, you have to verify if it is a good reverse or in invalid wiring combo that spins it in reverse. A nice smooth start, low no-load current at WOT, good torque, and low noise are all indicators of a valid combo.

It's helpful in this process to understand every phase wire combination has one valid combo of halls out of 6 possible, and every hall combination has one valid combo of phases out of 6 possible. That means there are a total of 6 valid combos of 36 possible. 3 of those are forward and 3 of those are reverse. Most motors will spin up with as many as 6 false positive wiring configs (spin the wheel, but it's not a valid combo and can burn up a motor). No load current will tell you this, do you have a way to measure current from battery to the controller? If not, then almost as simple, try the other 5 combinations of hall wires (assuming they are easily swapped). Before changing though, using your current configuration that spins backward with wheel off the ground turn the throttle very slowly and note the sounds just as the motor starts to turn. An incorrect wiring combo that spins the motor, will be rough on startup and sometimes not spin the wheel in certain positions. Every false positive I have seen spins the motor the opposite way of the good forward on that set of wiring configs, so if what you have now is a false positive, then you will get a the valid forward in the other 5 combos of phase wires (or halls if those are easier for you to swap.

If your current config is a smooth starting reverse with low current, then to get it going forward requires a change in both halls and phases. Whichever is more difficult to swap, swap 2, any 2, only 2 of those. Then find the correct combination of the 6 possible for the easier set to swap (halls or phase).

When testing wiring configs:
Make sure chain is off (a reverse spins the pedals as you probably found out.). Use only small short pulses of throttle to check each, because high currents can flow with bad combos. Be systematic when swapping wires and swap just 2 at a time. I find it easiest to choose one wire as my anchor reference, eg controller green. Then I will try the other 2 possible with controller green on green, then controller green on yellow, then controller green with blue. You will find a valid configuration in those 6.

False positives get people in trouble, as does changing around too many wires at once. It's actually quite simple, so don't get frustrated. In the time it took to type this response I could have wired up several motors, even if the wires were all the same color (excluding the red/black +5V/gnd for the halls, which we never touch in this process).

ES has a Wiki that explains wiring too.
 
Thanks John. I tried working on it for about an hr last night but the lighting in the garage wasn't good enough. Hopefully i will give it a another try tomorrow.
 
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