Eclectic
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CroArcher said:
OK - So are you referring to the island in Micronesia or "Nehru" as in jacket?
Moving - to WHERE?
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OK - So are you referring to the island in Micronesia or "Nehru" as in jacket?
Dauntless
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Do you know what a 'GoFer pitch' is?
You know, people ask questions without putting any thought to the words coming out of their mouths. Is that fair?
How in the world could someone concoct such a foolish notion? WHOSE living standards is the minimum wage worker subsidizing? The McDonald's workers -- WHY are they NOT making minimum wage in Beverly Hills subsidizing the lifestyle? Why do they insist on travelling there to make considerably MORE than minimum wage when they could stay close to home and make minimum wage at the same job? WHY do they refuse to subsidize the lifestyle of the poor by working close to home? Certainly the knowledgeable expert who cooked that questionable statement up realizes that fast food is criticized for being a cheap alternative to grocery store food in poor neighborhoods. Oh, are they making minimum wage in poor neighborhood grocery stores, too? Not in Beverly Hills, they're not. Clothes stores, whatever. You're not making minimum wage when you're working in the rich neighborhood, it's when you're in the poor neighborhood. Subsidizing the lifestyle of the poor, the welfare recipient, etc. If nobody works there for minimum wage, the prices go up, the stores close.
According to the U.S. government there are an average of one million people working full time for minimum wage. Maybe a half percent of adults. It's not clear in the study if that includes states such as California that have a higher minimum wage. Let's compare that to the dentists. Approximately 125,000 of them at any given time. Who's combined income is larger? They're about the same, actually, the dentists total only slightly more than 8 full time minimum wage workers. Is that somehow not fair? Are you saying that 8 minimum wage workers put as much into career development as a single dentist? That the 8 equal one dentist to ethical and professional standards? (PLEASE show some small dignity and concede the truth.) Do you really think there's any way to have the dentists work so hard to maintain those standards without the higher standard of living as the reward?
Meanwhile, let's move on to Wall Street. I know how much you love kicking around imaginary people from there. Let's discuss the real thing instead. So the commission workers. Are there as many of them as dentists? More, actually, it ranges around close to 200,000. Are there combined paychecks as much as the smaller number of dentists? A little, but in fact it averages out to a bit less apiece. (GASP!) I know, it hurts to think about them not making more, doesn't it? But why do you think that, again, you can have the professional and ethical standards that in their own way are just as important as those of dentists (Unless you LIKE the idea of jobs, businesses, retirement accounts, etc., disappearing overnight) If there's no money to be made at it? And what about all those local vendors paying people MORE than minimum wage so the service will be good in such a great location? Why are all those employees refusing to subsidize the lifestyles of these Wall Street types? And why is it okay with these Wall Street types that those people are refusing?
The problem with rhetoric is that it's, in a word, rhetorical. People spout things that don't hold up to scrutiny. The afraid to be the op should have put the question in the 'Weasel Words' post, because the entire premise is the definition of weaselly. Before the economy went bad you could get 2 years of college in California for $2,000 or less. Oh, you could get it not just free, but you could get grants to make a profit on going to college. Actually that's still true today, but it's at $5,000 or less. All of these semiskilled jobs that go unfilled because people can't be bothered to learn how to do it, they'd just rather complain about making minimum wage. Don't even get me started about seriously skilled jobs like welding that pay really well. Which you can also learn to do for free. Explain to me why someone unwilling to put anything into anything deserves our love and support. This is going to require a really good explanation.
Oh, I know, the real answer is, of course, socialism. As they proved in China, by forcing people to go to the countryside so there'd be cheap labor for the farms. A few weeks out of the year. By refusing the countryfolk the free healthcare and free education that was available in the city because they didn't have the ID card to belong there, they were able to keep the cost down for the people who did get it. Yeah, that socialism. It's always so --- FAIR. Like when the government built still mills out in the country so the unemployed countryfolk could work unpaid instead of sitting around. Mao needed weapons of war, afterall. Wouldn't even let them take two weeks off to go pick when the fields were ripe, (Once there was enough food to take for the cities) repeat offenders trying to get unharvested food from the fields were executed. THIS was the real cause of the Great Famine. Yeah, socialism has got it all figured out. They had the 3 'Have Nots.' No job, no shelter, no future. A huge percentage of the population was said to be 3 have nots. Yeah, socialism has it all figured out.
Read Chen Guangcheng's book, 'The Barefoot Lawyer.' In rural China a barefoot lawyer is someone without a real education who figures out how to protect the 2nd class citizens from the government. Cases that a trained lawyer wouldn't touch if the defendant HAD money to pay him. You'll develop a whole new RESPECT for forced equality.
A 'GoFer Pitch' in baseball is when the pitcher just hangs the ball there perfectly for even a weak batter to hit it out of the park. I have not yet begun to tee off on this subject. But I'll wait and see if there's another GoFer getting hung out there.
Or the village in Tanzania, or did he mean Nauvoo? Gonna join the Coho Legion?
Someone too embarrassed to say this in public said:
You know, people ask questions without putting any thought to the words coming out of their mouths. Is that fair?
How in the world could someone concoct such a foolish notion? WHOSE living standards is the minimum wage worker subsidizing? The McDonald's workers -- WHY are they NOT making minimum wage in Beverly Hills subsidizing the lifestyle? Why do they insist on travelling there to make considerably MORE than minimum wage when they could stay close to home and make minimum wage at the same job? WHY do they refuse to subsidize the lifestyle of the poor by working close to home? Certainly the knowledgeable expert who cooked that questionable statement up realizes that fast food is criticized for being a cheap alternative to grocery store food in poor neighborhoods. Oh, are they making minimum wage in poor neighborhood grocery stores, too? Not in Beverly Hills, they're not. Clothes stores, whatever. You're not making minimum wage when you're working in the rich neighborhood, it's when you're in the poor neighborhood. Subsidizing the lifestyle of the poor, the welfare recipient, etc. If nobody works there for minimum wage, the prices go up, the stores close.
According to the U.S. government there are an average of one million people working full time for minimum wage. Maybe a half percent of adults. It's not clear in the study if that includes states such as California that have a higher minimum wage. Let's compare that to the dentists. Approximately 125,000 of them at any given time. Who's combined income is larger? They're about the same, actually, the dentists total only slightly more than 8 full time minimum wage workers. Is that somehow not fair? Are you saying that 8 minimum wage workers put as much into career development as a single dentist? That the 8 equal one dentist to ethical and professional standards? (PLEASE show some small dignity and concede the truth.) Do you really think there's any way to have the dentists work so hard to maintain those standards without the higher standard of living as the reward?
Meanwhile, let's move on to Wall Street. I know how much you love kicking around imaginary people from there. Let's discuss the real thing instead. So the commission workers. Are there as many of them as dentists? More, actually, it ranges around close to 200,000. Are there combined paychecks as much as the smaller number of dentists? A little, but in fact it averages out to a bit less apiece. (GASP!) I know, it hurts to think about them not making more, doesn't it? But why do you think that, again, you can have the professional and ethical standards that in their own way are just as important as those of dentists (Unless you LIKE the idea of jobs, businesses, retirement accounts, etc., disappearing overnight) If there's no money to be made at it? And what about all those local vendors paying people MORE than minimum wage so the service will be good in such a great location? Why are all those employees refusing to subsidize the lifestyles of these Wall Street types? And why is it okay with these Wall Street types that those people are refusing?
The problem with rhetoric is that it's, in a word, rhetorical. People spout things that don't hold up to scrutiny. The afraid to be the op should have put the question in the 'Weasel Words' post, because the entire premise is the definition of weaselly. Before the economy went bad you could get 2 years of college in California for $2,000 or less. Oh, you could get it not just free, but you could get grants to make a profit on going to college. Actually that's still true today, but it's at $5,000 or less. All of these semiskilled jobs that go unfilled because people can't be bothered to learn how to do it, they'd just rather complain about making minimum wage. Don't even get me started about seriously skilled jobs like welding that pay really well. Which you can also learn to do for free. Explain to me why someone unwilling to put anything into anything deserves our love and support. This is going to require a really good explanation.
Oh, I know, the real answer is, of course, socialism. As they proved in China, by forcing people to go to the countryside so there'd be cheap labor for the farms. A few weeks out of the year. By refusing the countryfolk the free healthcare and free education that was available in the city because they didn't have the ID card to belong there, they were able to keep the cost down for the people who did get it. Yeah, that socialism. It's always so --- FAIR. Like when the government built still mills out in the country so the unemployed countryfolk could work unpaid instead of sitting around. Mao needed weapons of war, afterall. Wouldn't even let them take two weeks off to go pick when the fields were ripe, (Once there was enough food to take for the cities) repeat offenders trying to get unharvested food from the fields were executed. THIS was the real cause of the Great Famine. Yeah, socialism has got it all figured out. They had the 3 'Have Nots.' No job, no shelter, no future. A huge percentage of the population was said to be 3 have nots. Yeah, socialism has it all figured out.
Read Chen Guangcheng's book, 'The Barefoot Lawyer.' In rural China a barefoot lawyer is someone without a real education who figures out how to protect the 2nd class citizens from the government. Cases that a trained lawyer wouldn't touch if the defendant HAD money to pay him. You'll develop a whole new RESPECT for forced equality.
A 'GoFer Pitch' in baseball is when the pitcher just hangs the ball there perfectly for even a weak batter to hit it out of the park. I have not yet begun to tee off on this subject. But I'll wait and see if there's another GoFer getting hung out there.
Or the village in Tanzania, or did he mean Nauvoo? Gonna join the Coho Legion?
Chalo
100 TW
Dauntless said:
I am not at all embarrassed to say that publicly; I just thought it was off-topic in this thread.
I have to confess that I am Socialist enough to believe that for every full-time job, there should be a living wage for the person who does it. Nobody benefits from having a slave class making subsistence or lower wages in return for all the work they can do.
No society can be composed of dentists and stockbrokers serving each other. Someone has to make the food, clean the dishes, and sweep up afterwards. Someone has to bring the supplies to the welding shop and keep the bathroom presentable. Those people should make enough money to live in the cities where they work. The city governments of LA, San Francisco, and Seattle understand this principle. Why don't you?
A livable minimum wage is even good for the economy, because low paid working people spend pretty much all the money they make on real goods and services of practical value, instead of hoarding it, or inventing financial toxic waste like "CDO of CDO", or playing games like borrowing unlimited amounts of money at zero percent to buy bonds that pay two percent. If you want to talk disastrous predicaments, that sort of rich-bastardly activity is really what has put this once-prosperous country in the shitter.
Poor people don't need 99 cent value menus or Walmart pricing on Walmart garbage-- what they need is a living wage. And for that to happen, people who aren't poor need to pay the real cost of the things and services they buy, not prices that are made possible by minimum wage workers sacrificing their dignity, safety, and anything approaching security.
I'd like to point out, as a not-far-above MW retail employee, that it's not just MW workers who are wage-slaves that at least sometimes can't make it on just the one job. (and a fair number of other people I know can't do it on their own, often sharing an apartment or house with multiple other people in the same situation just so they can pay all the bills...though most of them don't even *attempt* frugality even a little bit).
Well, *I* could *survive* on it, if I gave up everything I care about here and moved into a dump box of a one-room apartment in an unsafe area, by myself with no dogs and just worked and came home and ate and slept and worked and came home and ate and slept, and had no one to care for or about...but even a crappy two-room apartment in an unsafe area with human and insect pests all over and "shared" utilities and one dog costs almost as much as living in this house with yard and trees and plants and places to do my recycled-materials projects, have fun with at least two big dogs around, control my own utilities costs.
But just surviving isn't living.
So....it would be better to have to work multiple jobs than go downhill like that for my living conditions.
But being paid enough to compensate for the work I do would be better. It'll never happen, but I can dream.
Well, *I* could *survive* on it, if I gave up everything I care about here and moved into a dump box of a one-room apartment in an unsafe area, by myself with no dogs and just worked and came home and ate and slept and worked and came home and ate and slept, and had no one to care for or about...but even a crappy two-room apartment in an unsafe area with human and insect pests all over and "shared" utilities and one dog costs almost as much as living in this house with yard and trees and plants and places to do my recycled-materials projects, have fun with at least two big dogs around, control my own utilities costs.
But just surviving isn't living.
So....it would be better to have to work multiple jobs than go downhill like that for my living conditions.
But being paid enough to compensate for the work I do would be better. It'll never happen, but I can dream.
Eskimo
1 kW
If i would have lots of money - Southern Russia. Perfect climate, beautiful women and moderately conservative culture.
I just spend a week in Estonia, and it would be nice too. Southern Estonia
French countryside would be good, but there"s quite significant language problem :wink:
Political atmosphere in Finland right now is not good. People just hate each other basically, country is strongly divided. And climate is just shit and economy is going down the drain.
I just spend a week in Estonia, and it would be nice too. Southern Estonia
French countryside would be good, but there"s quite significant language problem :wink:
Political atmosphere in Finland right now is not good. People just hate each other basically, country is strongly divided. And climate is just shit and economy is going down the drain.
dogman dan
1 PW
Well, there used to be a large lake and a river around here. Might be again, if the 50 year drought cycle swings the other way again. We still get about 8 weeks of river a year, and I've been out enjoying it every weekend with a kayak. Lake is still there, but so deep in the canyon now that windsurfing it sucks now.
Desert land or swamp,, Actually swamp could be ok, but only if there is a big enough hill for the house on the property. Outside the city, land is very cheap here, but that's because you can't afford the well you need to grow grapes.
Re jobs and wage slavery, This close to the border expect wage slavery for sure. Nice place to live, but bring your own money here unless you can get a NASA job.
Desert land or swamp,, Actually swamp could be ok, but only if there is a big enough hill for the house on the property. Outside the city, land is very cheap here, but that's because you can't afford the well you need to grow grapes.
Re jobs and wage slavery, This close to the border expect wage slavery for sure. Nice place to live, but bring your own money here unless you can get a NASA job.
marty
1 MW
If business are forced to raise employes pay from $9 to $15. They will fire the low skilled $9 people and hire higher skilled $15 people. The $9 people will now make $0. Because the $9 people used to do $9 worth of work every hour, the $15 people will be expected to do $15 worth of work every hour. Because this is not possible, prices will go up. The $9 people will be able to afford even less mostly because they are now making $0 per hour.
I confess. I am the guy who is looking to hire highly skilled, smart, construction help. Dream of a $5 guy who does $20 worth of work every hour. I thought about slavery but I don't think I could afford to feed a slave. Any one want a job?
I confess. I am the guy who is looking to hire highly skilled, smart, construction help. Dream of a $5 guy who does $20 worth of work every hour. I thought about slavery but I don't think I could afford to feed a slave. Any one want a job?
marty
1 MW
Tenant is moving out of the City of Tonawanda small one family house at the end of this month. [That's Friday] Will list it with a real estate girl if I don't sell it my self. Might try CraigsList after house is empty.
Here's the deal!
New paint on outside. Inside clean and ready to move in. $65,000
Big back yard could be used to grow grapes.
Copy from a email I sent:
I can hold the mortgage if I think you will pay me. $65,000 with $2,000 down payment.
Loan Amount $63,000
Interest Rate (APR) 7%
Term (months) 120 / 10 years
Monthly Payment = $731.48
Loan Amount $63,000
Interest Rate (APR) 7%
Term (months) 180 / 15 years
Monthly Payment = $566.26
Loan Amount $63,000
Interest Rate (APR) 7%
Term (months) 240 / 20 years
Monthly Payment = $488.44
Loan Amount $63,000
Interest Rate (APR) 7%
Term (months) 360 / 30 years
Monthly Payment = $419.14
County, City, and School, taxes for 2014 were $1584
Also need insurance if Marty holds mortgage.
I like CASH too. Think banks might have a lower interest rate?
Buyer would have some closing costs. Not sure how much? Guessing about a $1000 for a lawyer and not sure what else?
$2000 down payment is a bit low. More would be better.
Here's the deal!
New paint on outside. Inside clean and ready to move in. $65,000
Big back yard could be used to grow grapes.
Copy from a email I sent:
I can hold the mortgage if I think you will pay me. $65,000 with $2,000 down payment.
Loan Amount $63,000
Interest Rate (APR) 7%
Term (months) 120 / 10 years
Monthly Payment = $731.48
Loan Amount $63,000
Interest Rate (APR) 7%
Term (months) 180 / 15 years
Monthly Payment = $566.26
Loan Amount $63,000
Interest Rate (APR) 7%
Term (months) 240 / 20 years
Monthly Payment = $488.44
Loan Amount $63,000
Interest Rate (APR) 7%
Term (months) 360 / 30 years
Monthly Payment = $419.14
County, City, and School, taxes for 2014 were $1584
Also need insurance if Marty holds mortgage.
I like CASH too. Think banks might have a lower interest rate?
Buyer would have some closing costs. Not sure how much? Guessing about a $1000 for a lawyer and not sure what else?
$2000 down payment is a bit low. More would be better.
dogman dan
1 PW
I assure you Marty, I'd never work construction for you more than a week.
But after a week, you'd have been begging me to stay, but "just don't tell my foreman I'm paying you more than him". I got that time after time. His whole crew would be working a low paid pace, because they were never going to sweat too much for that pay rate.
I'd still not stay that long, because as soon as the guy who really paid me well had work again, I was back there, doing his foreman job.
YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR. So pay your guys more, and just fire the guys who can't hang in there producing. You can tell who to fire in about 60 min. Or less.
You'll attract the cream of the local labor force if you pay them what they are worth. I guarantee it. You'll never trick the local construction workers to put out 20 bucks worth for 5. And we sit around in bars, and trade info on who sucks to work for. I assure you, you are now on the sucks list.
But after a week, you'd have been begging me to stay, but "just don't tell my foreman I'm paying you more than him". I got that time after time. His whole crew would be working a low paid pace, because they were never going to sweat too much for that pay rate.
I'd still not stay that long, because as soon as the guy who really paid me well had work again, I was back there, doing his foreman job.
YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR. So pay your guys more, and just fire the guys who can't hang in there producing. You can tell who to fire in about 60 min. Or less.
You'll attract the cream of the local labor force if you pay them what they are worth. I guarantee it. You'll never trick the local construction workers to put out 20 bucks worth for 5. And we sit around in bars, and trade info on who sucks to work for. I assure you, you are now on the sucks list.
marty
1 MW
Working with Marty is FUN! I usually pay about $15 a hour. I buy lunch and pay you while we eat. I have changed the work week. No more Monday to Friday. We work 3 days a week, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday. Get a 4 day weekend every week.
dnmun
1 PW
your house would bring 8X your asking price here in portland.
you should avoid taking back a contract because he could just get upset with having to pay you even the small amount of money and then you have to evict him and the lawyers, court costs, and sheriff will cost $10k and i guarantee he will burn the house down first.
you should avoid taking back a contract because he could just get upset with having to pay you even the small amount of money and then you have to evict him and the lawyers, court costs, and sheriff will cost $10k and i guarantee he will burn the house down first.
dogman dan
1 PW
Yay, except last time I did construction work, it was $20 per hour for my skills. The four day weekend is handy for your employees though, so they can go do that second job.
nutnspecial
10 MW
^^^ Like the movie? Isn't that slightly analagous to life in general
Anyway, one or two mentioned an rv
A little rough around the edges, but overall pretty solid. I jumped on it for only 2500$
It's way bigger than I had considered, and random 'scouting' makes more sense in my camper minivan. The opposite of my goal is to randomly drive around and consume copius amounts of fuel- this will be a fun challenge to recondition to great condition and an even more gridless friendly temp-ish habitation.
Alot of scary fun driving something this big for first time lol.
Generator and electrical glitches need addressed, as does confirmation of safe propane system op for cook/furnace/water.
Vehicular stuff like tires/brakes/susp/lights/engine etc, and structure ie doors/windows/roof etc all check out.
I want to modify for:
a more usuable conditioned utility area
a more updated layout with digital audio/visual in mind
4 season guaranteed operation of systems like heat/plumb/clean and grey water
Some challenging considerations:
Composting toilet
Possible solar and wood primary power with generator and propane backup for heat/electric- this would include rocketstove/waterheater. It has a big propane tank, capable generator etc, but solar and wood are obviously more natural/renewable (economic and ecological).
Limitless 5 gallon hot showers via ondemand gas or rocketstove heater, diverter valve/loop.
Shower, soap/wash etc, switch back to fresh for clean rinse- like doing dishes lol. Would that work?
A small aquaponics system would be awesome too, I'll have to calculate size/weight of such a system for 1-2 people- this one is even more questionable in an 'rv' than the other three heheh.
These last four could wait until actually parking on a piece of raw country land in prep to build a house, but if there are 4 seasons, it might be good to get real world experience with these things while there's still the comfortable grid backup easily accessible. So it's more of a project/ practice in partial and maybe full gridless sustainment.
So the question remains the same " MOVING. . . TO WHERE" :lol:
Anyway, one or two mentioned an rv
A little rough around the edges, but overall pretty solid. I jumped on it for only 2500$
It's way bigger than I had considered, and random 'scouting' makes more sense in my camper minivan. The opposite of my goal is to randomly drive around and consume copius amounts of fuel- this will be a fun challenge to recondition to great condition and an even more gridless friendly temp-ish habitation.
Alot of scary fun driving something this big for first time lol.
Generator and electrical glitches need addressed, as does confirmation of safe propane system op for cook/furnace/water.
Vehicular stuff like tires/brakes/susp/lights/engine etc, and structure ie doors/windows/roof etc all check out.
I want to modify for:
a more usuable conditioned utility area
a more updated layout with digital audio/visual in mind
4 season guaranteed operation of systems like heat/plumb/clean and grey water
Some challenging considerations:
Composting toilet
Possible solar and wood primary power with generator and propane backup for heat/electric- this would include rocketstove/waterheater. It has a big propane tank, capable generator etc, but solar and wood are obviously more natural/renewable (economic and ecological).
Limitless 5 gallon hot showers via ondemand gas or rocketstove heater, diverter valve/loop.
Shower, soap/wash etc, switch back to fresh for clean rinse- like doing dishes lol. Would that work?
A small aquaponics system would be awesome too, I'll have to calculate size/weight of such a system for 1-2 people- this one is even more questionable in an 'rv' than the other three heheh.
These last four could wait until actually parking on a piece of raw country land in prep to build a house, but if there are 4 seasons, it might be good to get real world experience with these things while there's still the comfortable grid backup easily accessible. So it's more of a project/ practice in partial and maybe full gridless sustainment.
So the question remains the same " MOVING. . . TO WHERE" :lol:
Dauntless
100 TW
You're supposed to convert that thing to electric. Maybe 6 forklift motors and a ton of batteries all over the undercarriage.
If you're not going to stay once you get there, what's the big deal on picking the first stop? Unemployment in North Dakota has risen to 2.8 percent. (Or maybe more in the next report.) Since they're no longer making $100,00 a year in the oil fields, I guess noone is buying the $10 Big Macs and you can't make $15/hour at McDonalds anymore. So I guess all those guys were laid off and the minimum wage people returned to work. Unsupportable economic model that so captivates so many, but they'll deny deny deny when they see it go sour again and again and again. Of course there'll always be more. That's what more MEANS!
But that's the future of America, bouncing from one financial "Situation" to another. What I've always done in television, but I at least THOUGHT there was light at the end of the tunnel. There's not going to be for most people.
But that means you just hop in your motorhome and drive on.
http://www.bls.gov/web/laus/laumstrk.htm
If you're not going to stay once you get there, what's the big deal on picking the first stop? Unemployment in North Dakota has risen to 2.8 percent. (Or maybe more in the next report.) Since they're no longer making $100,00 a year in the oil fields, I guess noone is buying the $10 Big Macs and you can't make $15/hour at McDonalds anymore. So I guess all those guys were laid off and the minimum wage people returned to work. Unsupportable economic model that so captivates so many, but they'll deny deny deny when they see it go sour again and again and again. Of course there'll always be more. That's what more MEANS!
But that's the future of America, bouncing from one financial "Situation" to another. What I've always done in television, but I at least THOUGHT there was light at the end of the tunnel. There's not going to be for most people.
But that means you just hop in your motorhome and drive on.
http://www.bls.gov/web/laus/laumstrk.htm
marty
1 MW
Nice RV!
Weather is getting cold. Ya need to move south or drain the water and winterize. Do you have a owners manual from the RV manufacturer?
Owners manual from the RV manufacturer can be helpful to figure out how every thing works.
Repairing the electrical, plumbing, heating, air conditioning, propane, etc. can be overwhelming. Take it slow. Beware that a new generator can cost more then what you paid for the RV. Try to fix the old one.
Weather is getting cold. Ya need to move south or drain the water and winterize. Do you have a owners manual from the RV manufacturer?
Owners manual from the RV manufacturer can be helpful to figure out how every thing works.
Repairing the electrical, plumbing, heating, air conditioning, propane, etc. can be overwhelming. Take it slow. Beware that a new generator can cost more then what you paid for the RV. Try to fix the old one.
cwah
100 MW
Europe!
nutnspecial
10 MW
I'm not 100% how the unemployed or income aspect applies to the subject of moving.
In op I hoped to address that income is irrelevant for many reasons, but yes, naturally one must actively shift it there.
With a goal of self sustaining living, one would also be self reliant for income.
Personally, I've been self employed for just a few years, but always had a mind to, and excelled in a trade well suited for such, so I can rely on myself and not directly on a company or even one employer for income. I basicly have been able to 'choose' my 'employers' to the tune of 2+ per week, and all have been very happy.
Taking 'self employment' to the next logical simplification is to stop working so much for even 'employers'/customers, and spend more time doing the things yourself that you were making the money for in the first place.
You know, get a piece of ground that can pay you back by sustainable harvest, and generate your own fuel/food.
I also delved into buying and renovating houses, and became a landlord. Fixing a place up to a-1 condition and the renting it is also a simplification of self employment imo. Done properly, and with a skillset to upkeep and renovate, this is also a modest income- at least eventually depending on the situation. I started renting 8+ years ago after splitting an apartment in my first house.
Anyway, that's just my route, there's plenty of people retired young from military/gov, inheritance, lottery, whatever for income, so that's why I found it moot. Economical sustainment is a separate topic.
On the subject of this '90 32ft coachman, it's so funny how they put these together. I will keep the engine as a necessary evil (weasel phrase?), and don't find it economically or ecologically responsible to travel unnecessarily; but the systems and construction are so heavily reliant on anti-green, and a surprising amount of space and energy are wasted in the setup/layout/construct.
I'll be researching ways to improve the heat/hotwater/sewage and general gridless friendly utilitarian increase in use/operation.
I'd like to have some of that unicorn meat for the pantry too. . .
In op I hoped to address that income is irrelevant for many reasons, but yes, naturally one must actively shift it there.
With a goal of self sustaining living, one would also be self reliant for income.
Personally, I've been self employed for just a few years, but always had a mind to, and excelled in a trade well suited for such, so I can rely on myself and not directly on a company or even one employer for income. I basicly have been able to 'choose' my 'employers' to the tune of 2+ per week, and all have been very happy.
Taking 'self employment' to the next logical simplification is to stop working so much for even 'employers'/customers, and spend more time doing the things yourself that you were making the money for in the first place.
You know, get a piece of ground that can pay you back by sustainable harvest, and generate your own fuel/food.
I also delved into buying and renovating houses, and became a landlord. Fixing a place up to a-1 condition and the renting it is also a simplification of self employment imo. Done properly, and with a skillset to upkeep and renovate, this is also a modest income- at least eventually depending on the situation. I started renting 8+ years ago after splitting an apartment in my first house.
Anyway, that's just my route, there's plenty of people retired young from military/gov, inheritance, lottery, whatever for income, so that's why I found it moot. Economical sustainment is a separate topic.
On the subject of this '90 32ft coachman, it's so funny how they put these together. I will keep the engine as a necessary evil (weasel phrase?), and don't find it economically or ecologically responsible to travel unnecessarily; but the systems and construction are so heavily reliant on anti-green, and a surprising amount of space and energy are wasted in the setup/layout/construct.
I'll be researching ways to improve the heat/hotwater/sewage and general gridless friendly utilitarian increase in use/operation.
I'd like to have some of that unicorn meat for the pantry too. . .
nutnspecial
10 MW
Thanks marty, I dug up one online. The owner has passed on, so the seller (neighbor) knew n o t h i n g, which makes it all the more interesting. Thanks for the tips, you are certainly right.
I'll be investigating 4th season operation eventually, but yes any clean/gray/black water systems will be addressed with temps in mind- big mess in houses too, I'm well aware.
It's very interesting to figure out how these systems integrate, as much is tucked/hidden, and even the manual isn't like a shop manual for a vehicle, although it does hit the basics which is a nice crash course.
Gen fix is on the list. My clue that it's simple as the owner was told it needs a 'motherboard' lol. So maybe just wiring (which was loose), solenoid (broke terminal servicing connections), or controller? The 4.5kw genny turns me on, as some of my work-specific tools would never run from a modest or even moderate solar setup. A midsized genny like this is kinda indespensable- still looking for online info. It's a low hours kohler ckm21-rv, so I might need to find a dealer to get started on model specific info.
Furnace is low efficiency, but considering some ventless heaters for daytime supplimentation until wood/ veg oil rocket stove is investigated.
Fridge/freezer and stove/oven/micro check out excellent. They're all newer dual fuel cept the mike, and will sip propane with modest use, plus an oudoor fridge works nice and is free in the winter anyway.
Waterheater un-investigated past the appearance it's been bypassed. Maybe go with a gas tankless if needing replaced? I've also seen some awesome diy's that integrate a simple copper coil into the burn chamber of a rocketstove for thermosiphon water heating. If I get into all that, I'll have to tear this thing apart though.
I'll be investigating 4th season operation eventually, but yes any clean/gray/black water systems will be addressed with temps in mind- big mess in houses too, I'm well aware.
It's very interesting to figure out how these systems integrate, as much is tucked/hidden, and even the manual isn't like a shop manual for a vehicle, although it does hit the basics which is a nice crash course.
Gen fix is on the list. My clue that it's simple as the owner was told it needs a 'motherboard' lol. So maybe just wiring (which was loose), solenoid (broke terminal servicing connections), or controller? The 4.5kw genny turns me on, as some of my work-specific tools would never run from a modest or even moderate solar setup. A midsized genny like this is kinda indespensable- still looking for online info. It's a low hours kohler ckm21-rv, so I might need to find a dealer to get started on model specific info.
Furnace is low efficiency, but considering some ventless heaters for daytime supplimentation until wood/ veg oil rocket stove is investigated.
Fridge/freezer and stove/oven/micro check out excellent. They're all newer dual fuel cept the mike, and will sip propane with modest use, plus an oudoor fridge works nice and is free in the winter anyway
. Waterheater un-investigated past the appearance it's been bypassed. Maybe go with a gas tankless if needing replaced? I've also seen some awesome diy's that integrate a simple copper coil into the burn chamber of a rocketstove for thermosiphon water heating. If I get into all that, I'll have to tear this thing apart though.
Dauntless
100 TW
nutspecial said:
Ah, you forget your own subject, which is not "Moving," but "Moving - to WHERE?" To where the Sun is always rising, or always setting? You even made mention of ". . . .Afraid to make a bad choice." Easy for the caterpillar to inch along and think this is a good place for a cocoon if it doesn't understand it's ever coming out. Imagine the butterfly soaring for the first time, wondering why it ever chose this awful place. . . .
Ah, but maybe you really are someone for whom the quality of life of those around you doesn't matter. As with my Mother moving out to the country so she won't have to see how bad the city is getting. Telling me I could sell my house (Worth a bit in SoCal, eh?) and just do the same. As though I can ignore the world around me as she always has.
nutspecial said:
Which is of course guaranteed, everywhere. Nothing to be concerned about. When the work surges for me in TV it's because I've been working, because there's people who know me that seem to turn up everywhere. Then something interrupts that, such as the economic downturns. Suddenly I don't know anyone. Self employed. Yeah, I don't have to depend on any one company or job. (Sigh.)
A full time job would have let me leave all that behind. I remember taking a written test for a job with the LA City Schools Channel 58 and they announced to this big auditorium that there were, what was it? 158 people there? I wasn't concerned about making it to the interview, I'm always one of the top people. Showing up for mine there was this guy, totally panicking. Never gets to that stage, one that I'm pretty danged tired of because they act out on the same inane questions trying to pretend they know what they're doing when they plainly don't. So these danged administrators aren't nearly so demanding of their little babysitters of the coffee desk (The desk whose primary function each day is to hold up that cup of coffee) as they are with those of us who have to actually get something done, even as they do insist to over pay the babysitters of the coffee desk. (Sigh.)
nutspecial said:
So I've been one of the "Lucky" ones. Worked more that the usual 'Precariart' TV type without working outside the industry, also invested well, there's at least something coming in if I don't work but I can't live on that. Don't think I can retire and survive. So my family have left the area and talk like I should just go where they are, as though I'd somehow be just fine. Dang, they're used to holding their hands out when they need money, that would be over forever if I went. Not that they'd accept that. (Sigh.)
nutspecial said:
DANG! I'm FLABBERGASTED!!! Financial concerns absolutely drive relocation. For most people, there's not a lot more than that going into "Moving - to WHERE?"
Instead of eating them, maybe you could use those unicorns to tow the motorhome, and to ride around town. Meanwhile, here's a road that'll reopen quickly after the heavy snowstorms. Yeah, it'll always be safe.
marty
1 MW
Ventless heaters scare me. I have seen wet walls caused by these heaters.
Carbon Monoxide Poisoning: Unvented Gas Space Heating Appliances
Carbon Monoxide Poisoning: Unvented Gas Space Heating Appliances
nutnspecial
10 MW
Thanks for the link I'll check that out before using one.
I've used one for primary heat before, but fresh ventilation is a must as you attempt to heat smaller spaces. Don't run when sleeping or away (especially the open flame ones imo)
So basically a suppliment or bare minimum to keep things above freezing. I've heard about the moisture, and also film on glass, but can't think of anything better to try.
Priced a tankless heater @ 240$, and looking at installing inside close to kitch/bath/fresh. Just will need vented, maybe thru the appliance hood vent. That way maybe just the pump will need moved inside for better cold operation of water system.
Planning on upping clean to about 100 gallons, and tying black/gray tanks after making an active composting pot.
Priced a 2000w cont pure sine inverter for ~200$, and 200w of panels/controller for around 300. Surprised there is no inverter already- 110 runs only off genny or grid-tie. Energy is another ball of wax, probably moving the camper batteries to a friendlier semi conditioned location. I know they need to vent, and think they prefer non-freezing. Got some tvs and media system already, that part won't be hard with a couple well designed mounts/storage.
Storage/furniture is the hardest part. Everything should be designed with weight and vehicle motion in mind. Plastic seems like the best, but of course most unreachable diy in a well finished manner. Probably gonna be some winging it with stackable bins and bungees
I'm getting too far off topic here- comments are appreciated, but I may start a general thread for my camper mods after I get some pictures, begin to get going. Thanks for the input!
I've used one for primary heat before, but fresh ventilation is a must as you attempt to heat smaller spaces. Don't run when sleeping or away (especially the open flame ones imo)
So basically a suppliment or bare minimum to keep things above freezing. I've heard about the moisture, and also film on glass, but can't think of anything better to try.
Priced a tankless heater @ 240$, and looking at installing inside close to kitch/bath/fresh. Just will need vented, maybe thru the appliance hood vent. That way maybe just the pump will need moved inside for better cold operation of water system.
Planning on upping clean to about 100 gallons, and tying black/gray tanks after making an active composting pot.
Priced a 2000w cont pure sine inverter for ~200$, and 200w of panels/controller for around 300. Surprised there is no inverter already- 110 runs only off genny or grid-tie. Energy is another ball of wax, probably moving the camper batteries to a friendlier semi conditioned location. I know they need to vent, and think they prefer non-freezing. Got some tvs and media system already, that part won't be hard with a couple well designed mounts/storage.
Storage/furniture is the hardest part. Everything should be designed with weight and vehicle motion in mind. Plastic seems like the best, but of course most unreachable diy in a well finished manner. Probably gonna be some winging it with stackable bins and bungees
I'm getting too far off topic here- comments are appreciated, but I may start a general thread for my camper mods after I get some pictures, begin to get going. Thanks for the input!
marty
1 MW
Does RV fave a furnace? I would try that one first. Be safe. Your eyebrows will burn off when the fire hits your face 
1JohnFoster
100 W
nutspecial said:
If I had that beast, I'd try an HRV (heat recovery ventilator). Very effective commercial ones just use stacked coroplast as the heat exchanger and a large muffin fan (they cry out "DIY"). An HRV lets you pull in a lot of fresh air and warms (or cools) it with the exhausted air going out, so you don't loose the energy you put into heating or cooling. If it's hotter outside, and you want to warm up (or cooler outside and you want to cool down), you bypass the HRV.
Unless "WHERE" is pretty temperate, heating or cooling will probably end up being the biggest chunk of your energy cost while parked. There's probably not much insulation, and what there is you don't want to get wet with condensation. Even if you aren't heating with that ventless heater, just breathing puts out moisture which is going to condense somewhere (transferring more heat and growing mold). If you seal up all the drafts you will get condensation. With an HRV in a lot of climates you don't need more than body heat and appliances in the winter.
I looked at living in an RV park in Northern Ontario (Fort Frances - 160 miles North of Duluth). Renting the RV was nothing, but the annual electric heating bills way exceeded rent in a normal apartment.
LockH
1 PW
Solar mirror, anybuddy?
... or something more mundane perhaps...
Thinking hot water heating... and storage... Could use a big insulated tank buried in the ground I suppose.
... or something more mundane perhaps...
Thinking hot water heating... and storage... Could use a big insulated tank buried in the ground I suppose.
