My ideal bike - combo of Stealth Bomber and Talaria Sting R

[ebikeFan1234]

I have owned both Stealth Bomber (clone) and Talaria MX4 Sting R. Based on that I have a vision for an "ideal" bike for my needs. First a quick summary of my requirements

I ride 98% on roads and a bit of off-road like grass in a park, light gravel. I want the bike to be sturdy so it can take some beating. Like jumps from 1 ft or less, climb steep off-road hills with loose ground just for fun like 30% grade for 200 ft or so. Very cushy/buttery suspension. Blistering performance in 0-50 mph zone, analogous to a high end sports car with a lot of low end grunt and also a top speed machine. Low key and silent so it can be comfortably ridden as cycle on the bike trails or when people are close by. And then on the open stretches, rip! Great build quality. Should feel light and balanced so it can be thrown around.


Here's how I would articulate the bike to be a combo of Stealth and Talaria

1. Talaria Sting with quietness of a hub motor
OR
2. Stealth Bomber with a few changes like the higher build quality of Talaria, its handling, its sturdy frame

Can the Bomber be made more tossable with mods? Let me explain. Talaria is so tossable. When I ride it feels like I am sitting on it vs climbing on the Stealth. The center of gravity is low. I have the confidence that when doing hard riding say going over a steep hill, if the bike loses balance, I can simply stand up and led the bike slide under me, thereby saving injury. But the Stealth feels like under those conditions it would fall on top of my body and injure myself. Plus its much more heavy. It doesn't feel tossable. The frame looks bulky vs Talaria's svelte look

I would love to hear from this forum. Does my ideal bike exist?
Is there a quality frameset available with the attributes I mentioned for a custom build?

 

[shap08]

I have owned both Stealth Bomber (clone) and Talaria MX4 Sting R. Based on that I have a vision for an "ideal" bike for my needs. First a quick summary of my requirements

I ride 98% on roads and a bit of off-road like grass in a park, light gravel. I want the bike to be sturdy so it can take some beating. Like jumps from 1 ft or less, climb steep off-road hills with loose ground just for fun like 30% grade for 200 ft or so. Very cushy/buttery suspension. Blistering performance in 0-50 mph zone, analogous to a high end sports car with a lot of low end grunt and also a top speed machine. Low key and silent so it can be comfortably ridden as cycle on the bike trails or when people are close by. And then on the open stretches, rip! Great build quality. Should feel light and balanced so it can be thrown around.


Here's how I would articulate the bike to be a combo of Stealth and Talaria

1. Talaria Sting with quietness of a hub motor
OR
2. Stealth Bomber with a few changes like the higher build quality of Talaria, its handling, its sturdy frame

Can the Bomber be made more tossable with mods? Let me explain. Talaria is so tossable. When I ride it feels like I am sitting on it vs climbing on the Stealth. The center of gravity is low. I have the confidence that when doing hard riding say going over a steep hill, if the bike loses balance, I can simply stand up and led the bike slide under me, thereby saving injury. But the Stealth feels like under those conditions it would fall on top of my body and injure myself. Plus its much more heavy. It doesn't feel tossable. The frame looks bulky vs Talaria's svelte look

I would love to hear from this forum. Does my ideal bike exist?
Is there a quality frameset available with the attributes I mentioned for a custom build?

What about the stealth fighter?

 

[ebikeFan1234]

which bike is that, does it allow build from the frameset

 

[Gruesome]

Blistering performance in 0-50 mph zone, analogous to a high end sports car with a lot of low end grunt and also a top speed machine. Low key and silent so it can be comfortably ridden as cycle on the bike trails or when people are close by.

Well, whatever you do, please stay away from bike trails.

 

[shap08]

which bike is that, does it allow build from the frameset

something like this

F.U.T.R. Alpha - DIY Frame Kit (Gunmetal)

Inspired by the original Stealth Bomber electric bike, this electric bike frame kit supports a large battery capacity, dual suspension and is compatible with a wide range of standard mountain bike components. Build your own high powered e-bike with this tough e-bike frame. Specs: 9kg...

www.emtb.com.au

 

[ebikeFan1234]

Thanks! Would the build from this frameset be that fundamentally different from SB clone, feel free to share pointers to noteworthy built-up bikes.

 

[shap08]

Thanks! Would the build from this frameset be that fundamentally different from SB clone, feel free to share pointers to noteworthy built-up bikes.

100% higher build quality

the BETA might be more nimble
notice the pivot isn't on a single bolt like the clones

 

[ebikeFan1234]

I found CABMotorworks online and find their offerings intriguing - Fastest Electric Bike - The Cab Recon by Cab Motorworks
It seems they are taking Enduro frame + QS273 motor. And driving innovation in the industry for higher voltage (108 volt) and custom controllers.

Would love to hear opinions about them

 

[99t4]

Would love to hear opinions about them

What are the pedals for?

 

[ebikeFan1234]

Simply asking feedback about CABMotorWorks. Their reviews isn't looking promising based on a quick search. Very little if any Youtube videos from actual customers.

 

[E-HP]

What are the pedals for?

I assume for pedaling when you run out of juice or fry your controller. I'd swap out the rear with one these though. That big hub will be super hard to pedal without power.

Bicycle Bike Refit 38T Freewheel Single Speed Fit 1/2'' x 1/8'' Chain | eBay

38T Single Speed Freewheel. Clockwise thread, right side thread. Inside thread M35 1.37X24T. 1/2" x 1/8" Chain.

www.ebay.com

 

[biphaeboh]

I assume for pedaling when you run out of juice or fry your controller. I'd swap out the rear with one these though. That big hub will be super hard to pedal without power.

Bicycle Bike Refit 38T Freewheel Single Speed Fit 1/2'' x 1/8'' Chain | eBay

38T Single Speed Freewheel. Clockwise thread, right side thread. Inside thread M35 1.37X24T. 1/2" x 1/8" Chain.

www.ebay.com

So how is that not an electric motor cycle? If I pick all the upgraded options, it would cost me $24 000 CDN.

 

[E-HP]

So how is that not an electric motor cycle? If I pick all the upgraded options, it would cost me $24 000 CDN.

I think I saw a post a while back, where the cop made the owner show the guy could pedal to show the pedals were functional, and that the emoto was an ebike. With that stock gearing, you'd need some really strong legs.

 

[biphaeboh]

I think I saw a post a while back, where the cop made the owner show the guy could pedal to show the pedals were functional, and that the emoto was an ebike. With that stock gearing, you'd need some really strong legs.

He wouldn't have strong legs because he never has to pedal.

 

[n00b]

He wouldn't have strong legs because he never has to pedal.

I had to pedal earlier. It sucks with a hub motor. I got a super baby gear though, so not so bad.

 

[Chalo]

Would love to hear opinions about them

It's grossly underengineered for a motorcycle. Hideously crude for a bicycle, to the point of not being functional. Difficult to register, license, and insure, but definitely subject to all those things.

Outlaw bikes like that make needless trouble for honest e-bikers. They're for juvenile delinquents and adults who never progressed beyond that level. Yuck.

Makes me think of the 'tards who ride loud stinky ATVs around neighborhood streets. Not cool.

 

[bananu7]

One of the OPs inspiration is a small moped (Talaria), so i guess the pedals are very much optional.

Should feel light and balanced so it can be thrown around.

You won't get that with a 12kg hub motor.

Blistering performance in 0-50 mph zone, analogous to a high end sports car with a lot of low end grunt and also a top speed machine.

If you want both "low end grunt" and a "top speed machine", you need a lot of power, much more than the mopeds have, and so that puts you squarely in the full-size motorcycle zone. Maybe just get the new Can-Am origin?



This would, unironically, tick all your boxes, if you understand that "light", "nimble" and "flickable" are all relative characteristics. At least this thing is safe to ride, which can't really be said for the vast majority of overpowered "clones" with an M10 bolt for a swingarm pivot.

Alternatively, if noise is the only thing you dislike about your Talaria (which seems to be the case), then replace the chain with a belt drive and you're pretty much there.