Jay64
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Dang, I was hoping you were going to guinnea pi....uh, I mean use it on a Mars motor. :lol:
new Kelly brushless regen controllers
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I am not good enough mechanical designer to undertake this project. Also for regen to work on Mars you need direct chain drive with no freewheeling.Jay64 said:
Long term I wish I could have a full size highway capable electric scooter with ~80-100mi range but while technically feasible the battery cost is still too much for my pocket.
Microbatman
1 kW
Steven Li
Thank you for contributing to the forum.
Your input and answers are appreciated.
This controller may be the answer fitting a disc brake to and X5!!!!
Forget about the brake and use the controller
Does this have the ability to totaly stop/lock up the wheel?
Or the potential to go in Reverse?
If not how close will it get?
Thank you for contributing to the forum.
Your input and answers are appreciated.
This controller may be the answer fitting a disc brake to and X5!!!!
Forget about the brake and use the controller
Does this have the ability to totaly stop/lock up the wheel?
Or the potential to go in Reverse?
If not how close will it get?
Ok, I received mine so they do exist. It took over 8 days to ship from China via EMS sitting few days in China and US customs.
The good thing that the box does include two mating round connectors (I was prepared to spend some time searching for one). The bad thing that the box does not include any documentation whatsoever, no manuals or schematics or users guide. I guess it is a work in progress still. The box is pretty heavy at 1285g, the battery and motor wire terminals look like they can handle 10kA at least. I can not test it immediately since I still wait for the mating hall sensor 5-pin micro-xlr from ebikes. Once I get these I will be able to test no-load operation only since I've only started my hunt for a123 packs. So the progress will be a bit slow as I mentioned before but I'll keep reporting it. Here is the picture of what came in a box (BTW do not expect fancy packaging LOL):
The good thing that the box does include two mating round connectors (I was prepared to spend some time searching for one). The bad thing that the box does not include any documentation whatsoever, no manuals or schematics or users guide. I guess it is a work in progress still. The box is pretty heavy at 1285g, the battery and motor wire terminals look like they can handle 10kA at least. I can not test it immediately since I still wait for the mating hall sensor 5-pin micro-xlr from ebikes. Once I get these I will be able to test no-load operation only since I've only started my hunt for a123 packs. So the progress will be a bit slow as I mentioned before but I'll keep reporting it. Here is the picture of what came in a box (BTW do not expect fancy packaging LOL):
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They explicitly say that the controller regen should not be used as sole braking mechanism. I think part of it is liability and another part reliability reasons. There is also a limit on regen current being of 1/2 the acceleration current. So it would be prudent to have a mechanical brake in addition to regen.
They explicitly say that the controller regen should not be used as sole braking mechanism. I think part of it is liability and another part reliability reasons. There is also a limit on regen current being of 1/2 the acceleration current. So it would be prudent to have a mechanical brake in addition to regen.
rkosiorek
100 kW
what i would do is download the configuration software from their support/download page and get myself the RS232 comm cable that you need to connect the controller to your PC. not sure if it needs a straight thru or null modem cable, the limited documentation does not specify. i would try the null modem first.
then hook up enough power to power up the controller, attach the comm cable and fire up their programming software to check out what features you can set up on this sucker.
we expect screen shots of the entire process. your peers will be grading you and we will be harsh.truthfully i am dying to see what you got.
rick
then hook up enough power to power up the controller, attach the comm cable and fire up their programming software to check out what features you can set up on this sucker.
we expect screen shots of the entire process. your peers will be grading you and we will be harsh.truthfully i am dying to see what you got.
rick
Cool. First guinea pig 
I'm not sure if the software on their website is applicable to the brushless model.
They do have some screen shots of a brushed controller programming here: http://www.kellycontroller.com/mot/help.html
I'd love to see the insides too!
I'm not sure if the software on their website is applicable to the brushless model.
They do have some screen shots of a brushed controller programming here: http://www.kellycontroller.com/mot/help.html
I'd love to see the insides too!
curious said:I guess to protect their IP they epoxied all four screwsfechter said:that hold the front and back plastic panels. So I am somewhat hesitant trying to intrude the box for curiosity alone
Heat gun and a small screwdriver to dig the epoxy out. Replace with matching epoxy
OK, we'll wait. Hopefully someone will eventually crack one open so we can get an idea of how well constructed it is.
rkosiorek
100 kW
fechter said:Cool. First guinea pig
I'm not sure if the software on their website is applicable to the brushless model.
They do have some screen shots of a brushed controller programming here: http://www.kellycontroller.com/mot/help.html
I'd love to see the insides too!
ya can't tell until you try. also if he finds out that he needs different software now and starts nagging now, he'll have it by the time he really needs it.
rick
Jay64
100 kW
curious, glad to hear that you got it. Looking forward to hearing how you like it.
magudaman
10 kW
Wow these are really exciting! I would consider them far better because of programmability over a modded crystalyte any day. I really think programmability is a key feature so I can tweak it as I use. I also think it cool I can put a temp probe someplace and have the controller monitor my motor temp.
drewjet
10 kW
Allow me to step in and be a guinea pig. I just found this forum this morning. WOW great info in here. I have in my hands currently a working Kelly Controller (72 volt 300 amp) with a Mars motor. Here is some info http://www.evalbum.com/preview.php?vid=1511# on my project. A 200 CC Suzuki conversion. I have to say that Steven at Kelly controller has been extremely helpful. Also, John from Mars motor as well. He sent them a motor for testing. They figured out what I was doing wrong and got me the corrected wiring needed for my situation.
So far, I am in limited testing of my bike. Right now I am running a 12S2P Emoli pack Had lying around) and getting about 25 MPH out of the bike and maybe a 3 mile range. At 20 MPH it uses about 20 amps and 880 Watts for a 44 watt/Hr/mile. As time and money allow I am looking to go to 72 volts and 30 to 40 Amp hours, hoping for 55 MPH and 20 mile range.
I have the GUI program. It works with a RS 232 to USB connector just fine. I have a screen shot of it here http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=804254
Curious, Good luck on your project.
So far, I am in limited testing of my bike. Right now I am running a 12S2P Emoli pack Had lying around) and getting about 25 MPH out of the bike and maybe a 3 mile range. At 20 MPH it uses about 20 amps and 880 Watts for a 44 watt/Hr/mile. As time and money allow I am looking to go to 72 volts and 30 to 40 Amp hours, hoping for 55 MPH and 20 mile range.
I have the GUI program. It works with a RS 232 to USB connector just fine. I have a screen shot of it here http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=804254
Curious, Good luck on your project.
Malcolm
10 kW
Welcome along Andrew!
I spotted your conversion on the EV album just the other day and was planning to get in touch when I saw that you'd used the Mars motor and Kelly controller. That's great news that John and Steven are working together, hopefully the combination will work really well. Look forward to hearing more about your bike when you've got some more batteries. Should go well with such a lightweight machine and lithium batts.
I spotted your conversion on the EV album just the other day and was planning to get in touch when I saw that you'd used the Mars motor and Kelly controller. That's great news that John and Steven are working together, hopefully the combination will work really well. Look forward to hearing more about your bike when you've got some more batteries. Should go well with such a lightweight machine and lithium batts.
Thanks for the info!
I like the screen shot of the programming. Lots of things to tweak there. I see it even has adjustable timing angle. It might take a while to get everything dialed in to optimum.
I like the screen shot of the programming. Lots of things to tweak there. I see it even has adjustable timing angle. It might take a while to get everything dialed in to optimum.
drewjet
10 kW
Thanks Malcolm,
I don't want to hijack this thread, so I will start my own in the motorcycle section. I will keep tabs over here as well.
I don't want to hijack this thread, so I will start my own in the motorcycle section. I will keep tabs over here as well.
Anything related to this controller use/configuration is right on topic here. Your input is more than welcome.drewjet said:
My own progress is rather slow since I do not have a setup yet to quickly try the controller. Also I have too many pieces of the project going on at the same (limited) time - building battery packs, designing custom charger, thinking over mechanical issues and so forth.
motor_builder
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The Mars motor is actually a Jintan Kermo http://www.jintankm.com product, available directly from their factory in China in quantity.
drewjet
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magudaman
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Wow I know I am obsessed with electric vehicles when I find my self drooling from those screen shots . Very cool, I have been looking for a very long time for a controller that is this programmable and brushless. I am so excited! I just need to get a brushless motor that can handle the amount of power I want to try and put out! Very cool!
. Very cool, I have been looking for a very long time for a controller that is this programmable and brushless. I am so excited! I just need to get a brushless motor that can handle the amount of power I want to try and put out! Very cool!Hi Folks!
At first please forgive me my poor english!!! (come from Austria) ( no we have no kangaroohs :lol: )
But I will try to answer all questions.
After a second failure on a Crystalyte i ordered a Kelly and I can tell you i am verry happy with it!
The programming options are very helpfull. (also the wiring schematic on the manual)
Only to find out the right phase wiring was a little tricky!
Here is the right wiring for an Crystalyte x5:
Motor: A blue / B green / C yellow
Hall: A yellow (13) / B blue (12) / C brown (11)
My input power is about 3,5kw an the Controller stay cool after a ride from 10 miles with full speed and some startings up from a
dead stop!!!!
I have not tried to change the settings for the advance angle,
What is the recommended setting for an x5?
oh yes! sorry i had not looked in the inside of it!
Thousand thanks to Steven and King from Kelly for the great support!! Very nice guys!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
My Conclusion: Highly recommended!!
I hope that I will not wrote too much waste
Albert
At first please forgive me my poor english!!! (come from Austria) ( no we have no kangaroohs :lol: )
But I will try to answer all questions.
After a second failure on a Crystalyte i ordered a Kelly and I can tell you i am verry happy with it!
The programming options are very helpfull. (also the wiring schematic on the manual)
Only to find out the right phase wiring was a little tricky!
Here is the right wiring for an Crystalyte x5:
Motor: A blue / B green / C yellow
Hall: A yellow (13) / B blue (12) / C brown (11)
My input power is about 3,5kw an the Controller stay cool after a ride from 10 miles with full speed and some startings up from a
dead stop!!!!
I have not tried to change the settings for the advance angle,
What is the recommended setting for an x5?
oh yes! sorry i had not looked in the inside of it!
Thousand thanks to Steven and King from Kelly for the great support!! Very nice guys!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
My Conclusion: Highly recommended!!
I hope that I will not wrote too much waste
Albert
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Your english is fine. Better than some americans I can think of.
Good to hear the Kelly is working for you and thank you very much for the wiring configuration.
I suspect that zero advance will be close to optimum for a Crystalyte motor, but it might be interesting to test different settings.
I'm very interested in the regen ability too. Are you using the regen?
Good to hear the Kelly is working for you and thank you very much for the wiring configuration.
I suspect that zero advance will be close to optimum for a Crystalyte motor, but it might be interesting to test different settings.
I'm very interested in the regen ability too. Are you using the regen?
drewjet
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Your English is fine. My Ex is from Australia, the do have the Kangaroos.
That's an awfully big controller for that size of Bike. I really doubt it will ever heat up based on your load.
I am trying to get the regen working. So far I haven't, but once again kelly has been very responsive and we are working towards a solution.
That's an awfully big controller for that size of Bike. I really doubt it will ever heat up based on your load.
I am trying to get the regen working. So far I haven't, but once again kelly has been very responsive and we are working towards a solution.
Fechter/Drewjet.... thank you!
Google makes it possible! hihi!
I have not yet tested regen, because i used mostly low capacity (RC)Lipos (I think that would be not so great...verry expensive!)
After i find out the perfect voltage and capacity for the pack I will decide for lifepos and can test it.
But it will take a while.
Google makes it possible! hihi!
I have not yet tested regen, because i used mostly low capacity (RC)Lipos (I think that would be not so great...verry expensive!)
After i find out the perfect voltage and capacity for the pack I will decide for lifepos and can test it.
But it will take a while.
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