Now This Really Sucks

Excellent analysis dnmun. Dang! Don't hear this in the media hype press.

Thanks!

btw ... Can TONY still die? Or does the buck stop somewhere else?

dnmun said:
actually tony hayward has turned the old BP cheapskate culture around. but it does appear that the BP engineer may have felt he could get away with pumping the mud off in spite of the kicks, and then bring in the floater that would do the final completion, versus the drilling that the transocean horizon was best at, and most expensive for that reason, which would explain why the engineer woulda wanted to bring in the other floater and complete the well with it, which would explain why he decided to pump the mud off, that is gonna be the crux of the lawsuit.
Corporate culture seems to be the root of the cause. But is TONY not so bad after all?

Is this the work of some moron BP engineer/manager or part of a bigger culture of greed and stupidity? Hmmm?

Whom should be castrated?
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don't worry, tony will still die.


but he is so pretty, he just has to be the boss.


as with all things, the root of the problem is just like the greeks called it 15 centuries ago, hubris.

i bet this guy thought he could beat the odds, and maybe he had for a long time, which may be the management problem that was not addressed sufficiently yet by BP. i also think that guy does understand his error too, even though he could not ever admit it. i would expect he is maybe at high risk of personal suicide too. not unusual when people are responsible for the deaths of many of their close friends which these guys would have been since they live, work, and drink hard together i suspect.

about how a well is drilled. first they drill the hole, then they install a steel casing inside the hole and cement it in place. you do this in stages, and each hole drilled deeper has to be smaller in diameter than the casing already in place so the casing is sized to allow the next drill bit to just barely fit inside, and that is why they install the collars on the drill pipe since the collars keep the drill stem centered in the middle of the casing so it doesn't flop around and cause the drill pipe to whack around inside the casing as the drill bit goes deeper.

so each casing string is stepped down in size, and the next drill bit is smaller in diameter than the inside of the last casing string. the limit is how much casing you can assemble into one string of individual joints of casing screwed together end to end. so the weight of the casing is the big thing, and the first casing string is usually the shortest because it is the largest in diameter and the heaviest. but the casing is chosen so it will seal the inside of the casing from the rock and geology on the outside, which the cement does because the cement is squirted out around the perimeter of the shoe around the casing as the casing is lowered into the hole so the cement is a continuous seal around the outside of the casing where the cement is pumped under high pressure to fill the space around the casing.

once the well is drilled and sealed, then a completion rig comes onto the well and that rig will then drill out the bottom cement plug to produce the oil from out of the bottom of the well, or the casing can be perforated at the individual levels where the casing passes through the rock that has oil producing formations so the oil then enters the casing under pressure and flows to the top of the well where it enters the collection tubing that carries it to the distribution and collection manifolds installed on the ocean floor and they then connect to the pipelines that carry the oil ashore.

all this stuff is really top technology, but human error is more powerful, not just here, but airplanes and ships and cars too.

remember that most of the earth's oil has already leaked out through seeps into the ocean or onto the surface of the ground over eons of time, which is why there are microorganisms which have evolved with the capacity to convert the oil to other forms.

but this is gonna be really really bad if they can't get this attempt to inject mud to work. i saw the pictures today of the oil coming out of the riser and it is all black so it is now mostly oil and the pressure is not as high as when it had mostly gas being released. this is actually a great advantage in spite of what the airheads on TV are saying. without the huge back pressure of the escaping gas, there is now a much better chance they can force the drilling mud back down the lower port on the BOP and finally block the flow of oil, or at least slow it dramatically , which is really the best hope until they can drill down to the spot under the current hole with the drill stem and casing in the bottom of the hole, so they could then inject mud and cement under the current drilled hole into the formation and block the flow of oil.

but that is more than just difficult, they are trying to intercept a 6" hole almost 5 miles away from the floater on the surface. not trivial. it took several months on the blowout off australia, 4 attempts before they hit the hole and could seal that well, over a month for those four intercept attempts alone when they finally got to depth.
 
This particular forum thread is 51 pages long so the following link is only the most recent page (beginning on May 17). Posted below is only a random sample of posts.

http://drillingclub.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=wellcontrol&action=display&thread=4837&page=51

May 18

The Top Kill

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"BP's got a new plan to kill the leak, writes Bryan Walsh: "BP will next try what's called a 'top kill,' which involves pumping heavy drilling fluid -- a synthetic compound that is heavier than both oil and water -- into the blowout preventer, which sits over the well, smothering the leaking oil. If the maneuver, which is planned for sometime this week, works, the company will follow the drilling fluid with cement. 'That should stop the well,' said Suttles. 'We intend to fill it up with cement, and then we'll never produce from it."


May 20

Subsea Containment Graphic

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May 25 at 2:24pm

BP announced Tuesday that its internal investigation team began sharing initial perspectives of its review of the causes of the tragic Deepwater Horizon fire and oil spill.

The investigation is a fact-finding effort that has not reached final conclusions, but has identified various issues for further inquiry. BP has shared these early perspectives with the Department of the Interior and will do so with all official regulatory inquiries into the accident as requested.

This is an internal investigation. There is extensive further work to do - including further interviews, and in addition full forensic examinations of the Blow Out Preventer (BOP), the wellhead, and the rig itself - all of which are still currently on the sea bed. The internal investigation was launched on April 21, 2010 and is being conducted by BP's Head of Group Safety and Operations. He has an independent reporting line to the Group Chief Executive.

The investigation team's work thus far shows that this accident was brought about by the failure of a number of processes, systems and equipment. There were multiple control mechanisms - procedures and equipment - in place that should have prevented this accident or reduced the impact of the spill: the investigation is focused on the following seven mechanisms.

•The cement that seals the reservoir from the well;

•The casing system, which seals the well bore;

•The pressure tests to confirm the well is sealed;

•The execution of procedures to detect and control hydrocarbons in the well, including the use of the BOP;

•The BOP Emergency Disconnect System, which can be activated by pushing a button at multiple locations on the rig;

•The automatic closure of the BOP after its connection is lost with the rig;

•Features in the BOP to allow Remotely Operated Vehicles (ROV) to close the BOP and thereby seal the well at the seabed after a blow out.

"I understand people want a simple answer about why this happened and who is to blame. The honest truth is that this is a complex accident, caused by an unprecedented combination of failures," said Chief Executive Tony Hayward. "A number of companies are involved, including BP, and it is simply too early - and not up to us - to say who is at fault."

"This is a basic summary of the facts as gathered by the investigation team to date. A lot remains unknown, but we hope that the briefings will help the government's inquiries. This was a tragic accident and we need to understand the causes of it to try to ensure that nothing like it ever happens again."
 
BP "top kill" fails

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE6430AR20100530
 
it is becoming more and more clear that the drilling engineer that BP assigned to the floater to supervise this well was more than just incompetent. this article is from the NY times, it appears they used an extra long casing string of pipe that may not have been adequate. and since they did not have enuff centralizers for the cement job, there were only 6 centralizers used instead of 24 or so which would normally have been used to keep the casing centered in the hole while it was cemented. this guy vidrine who supervised this well may end up indicted for criminal negligence, imo. but they never indicted any of the bankers for wrecking the world economy and putting 100's of millions of people out of work and outa money. so is that fair?

hopefully this will so dramatically slow the development of the gulf production that we can get oil back over $140 again by next year. we gotta get gasoline over $10/gallon to get people outa their cars and into EVs.


May 29, 2010
Documents Show Early Worries About Safety of Rig
By IAN URBINA
WASHINGTON — Internal documents from BP show that there were serious problems and safety concerns with the Deepwater Horizon rig far earlier than those the company described to Congress last week.

The problems involved the well casing and the blowout preventer, which are considered critical pieces in the chain of events that led to the disaster on the rig.

The documents show that in March, after several weeks of problems on the rig, BP was struggling with a loss of “well control.” And as far back as 11 months ago, it was concerned about the well casing and the blowout preventer.

On June 22, for example, BP engineers expressed concerns that the metal casing the company wanted to use might collapse under high pressure.

“This would certainly be a worst-case scenario,” Mark E. Hafle, a senior drilling engineer at BP, warned in an internal report. “However, I have seen it happen so know it can occur.”

The company went ahead with the casing, but only after getting special permission from BP colleagues because it violated the company’s safety policies and design standards. The internal reports do not explain why the company allowed for an exception. BP documents released last week to The Times revealed that company officials knew the casing was the riskier of two options.

Though his report indicates that the company was aware of certain risks and that it made the exception, Mr. Hafle, testifying before a panel on Friday in Louisiana about the cause of the rig disaster, rejected the notion that the company had taken risks.

“Nobody believed there was going to be a safety issue,” Mr. Hafle told a six-member panel of Coast Guard and Minerals Management Service officials.

“All the risks had been addressed, all the concerns had been addressed, and we had a model that suggested if executed properly we would have a successful job,” he said.

Mr. Hafle, asked for comment by a reporter after his testimony Friday about the internal report, declined to answer questions.

BP’s concerns about the casing did not go away after Mr. Hafle’s 2009 report.

In April of this year, BP engineers concluded that the casing was “unlikely to be a successful cement job,” according to a document, referring to how the casing would be sealed to prevent gases from escaping up the well.

The document also says that the plan for casing the well is “unable to fulfill M.M.S. regulations,” referring to the Minerals Management Service.

A second version of the same document says “It is possible to obtain a successful cement job” and “It is possible to fulfill M.M.S. regulations.”

Andrew Gowers, a BP spokesman, said the second document was produced after further testing had been done.

On Tuesday Congress released a memorandum with preliminary findings from BP’s internal investigation, which indicated that there were warning signs immediately before the explosion on April 20, including equipment readings suggesting that gas was bubbling into the well, a potential sign of an impending blowout.

A parade of witnesses at hearings last week told about bad decisions and cut corners in the days and hours before the explosion of the rig, but BP’s internal documents provide a clearer picture of when company and federal officials saw problems emerging.

In addition to focusing on the casing, investigators are also focusing on the blowout preventer, a fail-safe device that was supposed to slice through a drill pipe in a last-ditch effort to close off the well when the disaster struck. The blowout preventer did not work, which is one of the reasons oil has continued to spill into the gulf, though the reason it failed remains unclear.

Federal drilling records and well reports obtained through the Freedom of Information Act and BP’s internal documents, including more than 50,000 pages of company e-mail messages, inspection reports, engineering studies and other company records obtained by The Times from Congressional investigators, shed new light on the extent and timing of problems with the blowout preventer and the casing long before the explosion.

Kendra Barkoff, a spokeswoman for the Interior Department, declined to answer questions about the casings, the blowout preventer and regulators’ oversight of the rig because those matters are part of a continuing investigation.

The documents show that in March, after problems on the rig that included drilling mud falling into the formation, sudden gas releases known as “kicks” and a pipe falling into the well, BP officials informed federal regulators that they were struggling with a loss of “well control.”

On at least three occasions, BP records indicate, the blowout preventer was leaking fluid, which the manufacturer of the device has said limits its ability to operate properly.

“The most important thing at a time like this is to stop everything and get the operation under control,” said Greg McCormack, director of the Petroleum Extension Service at the University of Texas, Austin, offering his assessment about the documents.

He added that he was surprised that regulators and company officials did not commence a review of whether drilling should continue after the well was brought under control.

After informing regulators of their struggles, company officials asked for permission to delay their federally mandated test of the blowout preventer, which is supposed to occur every two weeks, until the problems were resolved, BP documents say.

At first, the minerals agency declined.

“Sorry, we cannot grant a departure on the B.O.P. test further than when you get the well under control,” wrote Frank Patton, a minerals agency official. But BP officials pressed harder, citing “major concerns” about doing the test the next day. And by 10:58 p.m., David Trocquet, another M.M.S. official, acquiesced.

“After further consideration,” Mr. Trocquet wrote, “an extension is approved to delay the B.O.P. test until the lower cement plug is set.”

When the blowout preventer was eventually tested again, it was tested at a lower pressure — 6,500 pounds per square inch — than the 10,000-pounds-per-square-inch tests used on the device before the delay. It tested at this lower pressure until the explosion.

A review of Minerals Management Service’s data of all B.O.P. tests done in deep water in the Gulf of Mexico for five years shows B.O.P. tests rarely dropped so sharply, and, in general, either continued at the same threshold or were done at increasing levels.

The manufacturer of the blowout preventer, Cameron, declined to say what the appropriate testing pressure was for the device.

In an e-mail message, Mr. Gowers of BP wrote that until their investigation was complete, it was premature to answer questions about the casings or the blowout preventer.

Even though the documents asking regulators about testing the blowout preventer are from BP, Mr. Gowers said that any questions regarding the device should be directed to Transocean, which owns the rig and, he said, was responsible for maintenance and testing of the device. Transocean officials declined to comment.

Bob Sherrill, an expert on blowout preventers and the owner of Blackwater Subsea, an engineering consulting firm, said the conditions on the rig in February and March and the language used by the operator referring to a loss of well control “sounds like they were facing a blowout scenario.”

Mr. Sherrill said federal regulators made the right call in delaying the blowout test, because doing a test before the well is stable risks gas kicks. But once the well was stable, he added, it would have made sense for regulators to investigate the problems further.

In April, the month the rig exploded, workers encountered obstructions in the well. Most of the problems were conveyed to federal regulators, according to federal records. Many of the incidents required that BP get a permit for a new tactic for dealing with the problem.

One of the final indications of such problems was an April 15 request for a permit to revise its plan to deal with a blockage, according to federal documents obtained from Congress by the Center for Biological Diversity, an environmental advocacy group.

In the documents, company officials apologized to federal regulators for not having mentioned the type of casing they were using earlier, adding that they had “inadvertently” failed to include it. In the permit request, they did not disclose BP’s own internal concerns about the design of the casing.

Less than 10 minutes after the request was submitted, federal regulators approved the permit.

Robbie Brown contributed reporting from Kenner, La., and Andy Lehren from New York.
 
If they had the flow of oil stopped while pumping the mud down the well why not just keep pumping mud down that sucker till a relief well is completed?
 
i don't think there is enuff mud available to do that. i think they pumped as much mud as they could mix on the floater they are using. actually i think they are using a drill ship to handle the mud job. the pressure needed to push the oil back down is greater than they think the piping can handle and they are afraid they will rupture the surface casing. just that the well has a lot of gas, makes it hard to push everything back down.

they made another 'containment' sleeve for the riser and are gonna chop of the riser still stuck on the BOP and then see if a tighter fit around the riser will prevent seawater from entering and clogging the suction line to the surface with frozen methane water 'hydrates'. tv is gonna love this when the well starts leaking even more after they cut the riser off. but they should be able to maneuver the sleeve over the riser stump fairly quickly so the chances are much better for this than for the previous method of containing the oil blowing out of the well now.
 
Icewrench said:
If they had the flow of oil stopped while pumping the mud down the well why not just keep pumping mud down that sucker till a relief well is completed?
From: http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-oil-spill-20100531,0,907235.story

"Browner said on CBS that Energy Secretary Steven Chu and a team of scientists on Saturday essentially put a halt to BP's attempt to cap the spewing well with a process known as "top kill," which injected drilling mud and other materials to try to counter the upward pressure of the oil. The administration team worried the increasing pressure from injecting heavy drilling mud could worsen the leak.

Drilling experts have warned that high-pressure injections could cause a catastrophic collapse of well pipes and leave an open crater that would be impossible to cap."
 
This is gonna go down as the biggest engineering cluster f$%k of all time. How could they not be watching everything like a hawk at all times when they knew of problems/risks?
 
Source: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/05/31/AR2010053103511.html

"Struggling to convey command of the worsening Gulf of Mexico oil spill, the Obama administration is taking steps to distance itself from BP and is dispatching Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr. to the Gulf Coast to meet with federal and state prosecutors. The Holder trip could signal that the environmental calamity might become the subject of a criminal investigation."

Funny, here in Idaho, if you get caught dumping but a single quart of Saudi crude in the city park, it'll cost you $100, with the court's option of imposing a 30 day jail sentence. But I digress......
 
Here's a fun game anybuddy can try at home... It's called "How big is the Deepwater Horizon oil spill?". It just uses Google Earth to superimpose a "map" of the area of the spill over your own home town (city...province/state... region... nation...)
http://paulrademacher.com/oilspill/#Toronto
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I've been watching these clueless fuckups all night... a kid could'a told them the saw would get stuck if they didn't take the weight off the pipe.
 
i was thinking the same thing the first time i heard they were gonna use diamond chain. but i think the decision was made by some business school grad who never used a saw.


but i wonder if this means the drill stem inside the riser is entirely supported by the kink in the riser and no weight is being held by the jaws of the rams.

now if this was really gonna be Avatar level of sci fi, imagine if they cut the riser, the drill stem falls to the bottom of the well and the entire casing string is blown up out of the BOP, and the entire gas field erupts as the walls of the drilled hole start blowing out through the riser stump releasing even more productive gas formation surfaces, and the gas cloud erupts onto the surface and envelops the two floaters drilling the plug wells.

it also appears that the initial blowout did not set off the alarms for the systems that detect the level of methane in the atmosphere around the rig. what if we find that they do the same thing as the coal mine bosses.

edit: i guess i should qualify the numbers so it doesn't seem impossible , imagine the productive zone is 10,000 inches long, 30" in circumference, gas pressure in the rock maybe 8,000-12,000 psi. that's why they collapse. you do the math.
 
My hope would be that during the collapse it plugs itself. Doesn't that happen sometimes when they try to get the oil out too fast in a production well, or are we talking about too much pressure in this case?
 
Seems like time to sieze the assets of BP and operate the company solely for the purpose of compensating clean up costs.
Their big box idea = fail
The junk shot = fail
They don`t even know how to cut a pipe.
Trusting that the boobs who caused this mess can fix it............ :roll:
 
John in CR said:
My hope would be that during the collapse it plugs itself. Doesn't that happen sometimes when they try to get the oil out too fast in a production well, or are we talking about too much pressure in this case?


when you are using water flood as the secondary recovery for the field, as in iraq where this was the biggest problem under saddam, you can try to push the oil too fast through the intermediary region between the flooding wells, sources, and the central recovery well. if the water breaks through then the hydraulic pressure pushing the oil through the formation collapses and you lose the ability to recover that oil.

i am more concerned about the risk of the formation collapsing when the casing is expelled out of the BOP. the BOP is not functioning, so there may be NO restrictions inside the BOP when the drill stem falls down the well below the level where it is currently suspended from the surface, in this case perhaps by the kink in the riser and they are cutting below that point now. the problem they are having is because the chain is sticking in between the outer riser sleeve and the inner drill stem pipe. the drill stem is supporting the casing string inside the hole with cement around the outside of the casing holding it in place. is that better?
 
Dnmun,

I understood what you meant, that's why my hope in that event is that the formation collapses and the well plugs itself instead of reaming out an even bigger hole, since the relief wells probably couldn't help anything, leaving what option?

Where are the ice crystals? I've yet to see anything come out that looks like it could clog anything. Get the top hat thing going with a number of big valves at the top and sides. Cut pipes to clear the way for a big top hat to sit on the bottom. Lay a bunch of rebar and set the top hat, and start pumping concrete to lay thick heavy foundation below the leak, while at the same time capturing what oil you can at the top, pumping warm water in to prevent another top clogging event. Then fill the top hat with concrete and close the valves once it's set...or something along those lines, like do the foundation first.

Since all of the leak is after the bottom of the blowout preventer, there has to be a way to create a foundation below and up to the leak to be able to create some kind of structure that anchors to that foundation and in turn the BOP, where once in place and ready, you close the valves and be done with it...something that takes weeks, not months or a year. That Ixtoc leak took 10 months to plug using a relief well, so 2-3 months may be optimistic, and as long as none of the leak is below the BOP it has to be pluggable from the top, AND there has to be a way to capture a large percentage of the leaking oil while the giant plug is created. Time for some lateral thinking to take over, while they work on the relief well, something they do know how to do.
 
If the methane was really freezing to plug the tophat, then use that to an advantage to help create the plug.
 
more detail. the pictures you have seen of the saw cutting some tubing next to a larger piece of metal is prep work to remove the tubing attached to the outside of the riser. they finished that i assumed, and now are cutting off the riser using diamond toothed chain just like a chainsaw, i use them for cutting the basement access windows in the concrete foundation, this one is built into a rig that is held around the riser and is cutting through both the riser and the drill stem inside. hydraulically driven but basically a chainsaw.
 
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