Oil Topics

Meet Fred Dibnah. I recognized his name at the finish of the aforementioned video above.


Fred was many things, but most of all, a reluctant undertaker. See enough of his youtube videos and you will understand this northshire man. He is the idol of the young steam engineers, though what he did was to kill the steam engine's very heart, often as not. Somebody had to do the dirty work.

Steeplejack. You have no testicles by comparison.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_DAEwSM_YU&feature=related

The hell with oil, carbon and other foo-foo nonsense; this is coal, sulfur, men, death, sweat, prosperity,
world power, and times, changed.
 
OIL TOPICS, it says.


My young men friends were incredulous at the toy steam forum.
I always heard his first name, but knew not any more than that.

"You don't know who Fred was? He is our god, nearly; nearly as close-as."

Many of them traveled hundreds of miles, lads, some of them, to meet and be with Fred,
and to form this living link to works made one hundred twenty or one hundred fifty years ago.
Somebody had to finish their great plans. Fred was...

Here is the last job. Cry for old England, men, blood, now about all gone, fearless,
and Fred was not only the nation's past-master, but the only one who carried on as if there were
no camera there capable to take images of what he did and saw
and felt in his truest heart,
always honest, humble and Fred Dibnah, RIP, dead of time's natural causes, only.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=945T56ZxFkE&feature=related
Watch this and tell me you hate oil and coal?
Huggers of the low ground, go live in the green woods and eat raw chestnuts.
 
Reid, thank you very much!
This is all very interesting stuff indeed.

My father kept claiming that the grass around the oil-dripping bin behind the Mercedes garage was greener, and that it had been dripping for decades, and that he dug in to have a look and that he found that the oil had only penetrated 10 or 20 cm deep, below which he found rich soil full of worms. But he was a bit prone to exaggeration at times....

That Castor oil is most interesting! The plant is declared a weed throughout Australia and supposedly grows around where I live. The oil has multiple uses for food, medicines and industry!
And:
"The lubricants company Castrol took its name from castor oil".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castor_oil

Most interesting, indeed!

How come you say any synthetic oil will do?

And how do these synthetic oils behave in the environment? Are they also biodegradable like petrochemicals?
 
Oil and cross-forum pollination. They remember no-one-me.

ROLY in particular. READ his website. LEARN what live steam is about:
http://rolywilliams.com/
Take the tour. Appreciate ships that pass silently in sight the limits of human knights;
no fog horns, but mere whispers, and promises of jobs well-done.

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OIL TOPICS. Oil is simply a young form of coal.
Coal is simply former green life.
Carbon taken from the atmosphere millions of years ago.
Big coal? You'd not have but homespun, coarse clothing, if not for Industry fired by sunlight of eons ago.
Green, my arse. My arse will soon be green with rot and worms, as it should be.

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I am a communicator. UMAOSF members, this is my first cousin: my grandmother's first cousin,
our nation's prime news personality and writer and premier "muckraker", exposing liars, corruption and rot.
I am not proud. I am lucky to have inherited his very spirit, if not his talent.

The day my g'father died, the recording made within the hour. Drew did not know of the death
All the members here have heard this man speak if they care about living links of history.
WE ARE ALL CONNECTED.

He is me, I am him, I am not important. Truth what matters, only:
http://www.archive.org/details/WWII_News_19450506_Drew_Pearson
Listen and remember. You lost so much, Great Britain.
 
A commonly used oil which would most likely meet the requirements would be Castrol Optigear Synthetic X http://www.castrol.com/liveassets/bp_in ... _Range.pdf

What gets closer to meeting it's specs: "Virgin" olive oil or "Extra light"?
:oops: Pardon me, please.
I forgot/failed to answer a direct and cogent question. Answer:

Use an ATF, preferably Mobil One ATF. It has oilieness ten times greater than "extra" anything olive oil.
Unless you are a cotton weaver mill, you do not have use for olive oil. It is an inferior lubricant, light bodied (good for fast-moving spindles, yet inferior in oiliness to canola (rape seed) oil. The engineer who spec'd olive oil, is, I am sorry to say, an idiot to be disregarded, or preferably fired.

Use ATF of any sort.

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spell correction: seed, not "see".
 
Angry reply to self: WHO specs olive oil? the Castrol PDF you cite, or the gearbox maker? Your prose was not quite clear at first reading. My error, misunderstanding. Sorry!

The people who made the unit spec'd olive oil? Disregard them.

Olive oil is a lousy lubricant for other than cotton mill spinning spindles smaller in OD than a pencil, and even then, they would be oiled every day, wiped of lint and used oil;. and replaced as they wear out their buses and shafts, olive oil be such a poor lubricant. Rape see (Canola today) would be a better choice, but it don't wash out of cotton so easy (grammar intended).
KWYADAWYADI. Olive oil your greens, not machines.

Rude Reid

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edit: corrections and apologies to Mr. Mik for my waking up, mislaid glasses, fogged eyes, and a soured, oily, disposition. I'm sweet again now. Virgin Olive Oyl. Please forgive me?

Popeye cartoons were made right here in Miami, 1937 through 1941.
This is a mid-forties cartoon.
Women, rule? I like her better than I like Maggie or Hillary.
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OYL RULES iceberg lettuce
 
On a prior page, Mr. Mik or was it nuts and volts asks: does synthetic oil decompose harmlessly in the ground?

I don't know. I think it does: it is made from entirely natural products.

Silicones don't decompose. Additives, harmless, probably don't decompose,

But I won't hesitate to dispose of used motor oil, small quantities, by flinging it into the weeds of the back yard.

All the oil that was lost by crankcase leakage of ancient cars (right up to the near present day): onto the pavements, then washed by rains into the green swale. Food for grasses after being food for bacteria.

Reading Dykes Automotive Encyclopedia of, say ca. 1916 (it was re-editioned for decades, a problem is brought up. I must paraphrase from memory:
In concrete floored auto garages, a great vexation is caused by the leaks of oil, saturating the concrete,
which, in short order, turns to a species of chalk and gunk and dusts away. There is no cure for this ill.
I was perplexed! I've known thousands (figuratively, of mechanics, and their shops, and of greasy, oiled, concrete floors. Yet, there it was in unimpeachable, authority-print of the distant past.

I figured this out for myself, so quote me:
An idiot I know says that.....

At that time it was not realized that most all petroleum products contained a high percentage of sulfur,

and that the the seemingly-harmless sulfur, with water produced by the IC process, contaminated so,
simply ate the lime of concrete. It also ate the machinery that it lubricated.
The answer, the fix of the ill, was development of low-sulfur oil products.

To have lived in Birmingham in 1880, as a housekeeper, was to live in a sooty hell, grey on sunny days,
curtains going brown in one week, a film of filth on every surface. No, the extinction of the mills and end of those smoking chimneys was, by the housekeeper, welcomed. We can't appreciate how clean, relatively,
that even coal plants are today.

My windows are open. I live in fresh air. My oil-soaked garage floor (from the Model T days) is not softening at all.
I should just paint it to cover all the old time spills of black gilsonite paint I left: the stuff defies any sort of paint remover, period.
It is a petroleum product, too ancient for even bacteria to have an interest in eating it.
BTW, pulverized gilsonite looks like cocoa powder, is tasteless, edible, non toxic, with no food value.
Similarly, most oils, highly processed (clarified mineral oil) are perfectly edible and help to move bowels.
EITHA+SDG)WQR, OTOH, :mrgreen: only moves vowels.

joking as always,
StinkWeed
 
Reid Welch said:
Angry reply to self: WHO specs olive oil? the Castrol PDF you cite, or the gearbox maker? Your prose was not quite clear at first reading. My error, misunderstanding. Sorry!

The people who made the unit spec'd olive oil? Disregard them.

Olive oil is a lousy lubricant for other than cotton mill spinning spindles smaller in OD than a pencil, and even then, they would be oiled every day, wiped of lint and used oil;. and replaced as they wear out their buses and shafts, olive oil be such a poor lubricant. Rape see (Canola today) would be a better choice, but it don't wash out of cotton so easy (grammar intended).
KWYADAWYADI. Olive oil your greens, not machines.

No worries, I just thought of those olive oils because it is what I had at home already...gotta start somewhere!

But now, after reading your posts and a fair bit more about castor oil, I have bought 2 x 100ml bottles of 100% castor oil to play with!
AU$5.95 each at the pharmacy.

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In this thread are pictures of the Vectrix gearbox: http://visforvoltage.org/forum/3272-vectrix-real-world-testing-2-noise-levels#comment-19359

It was that post, (and my email to Vectrix telling them about it) that led to cancellation of the warranty by Vectrix; and then I put the penguin (Tux) on the Vectrix and renamed it Vectux.

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I have tried the gearbox with 100% additive for a short time: http://visforvoltage.org/forum/3582-vectux-quotopen-source-vectrixquot#comment-20310


Because this did not fix the noise problem (even with 400ml instead of 80ml in it) I figured that additive is not the solution and put a Synthetic oil + Additive mixture into the gear box.

I think I used 60 ml of Castrol Syntrax Gear oil 75w/90 http://www.autobarn.com.au/products/10/225/1732481 and 20ml of the Tru-Blue additive. That has been in there for 7500km now and it will soon be time to open it up and have another look.

Then, when the gear box is opened again and inspected, I want to fill it with castor oil and see how that affects noise levels, but mainly just to try out if this renewable vegetable oil can be used instead of mineral oil or synthetics.

Castor oil seems to be the undisputed king of plant oils as far as engine lubrication goes.

It is said to have very high pressure resistance and oiliness.

It is often used in engines that get too hot for the best mineral oils and synthetic lubricants, but it causes formation of varnish when it is exposed to high temperatures, and this necessitates frequent engine rebuilds.

It is not very suitable for lubrication at low temperatures, although my first experiments with the 2 castor oil bottles showed that it flows quite well at 5°C (just out of the fridge), and even at -15°C (freezer) the air bubble in the castor oil will float to the top of the bottle in a few seconds (when it is turned upside-down).

The Vectux gearbox rarely gets any cooler than 15°C where I live, and probably never below 5°C.
The highest temperature of the outside of the gearbox which I have measured (with an IR thermometer) was about 75°C. It might be a bit hotter inside the gearbox somewhere, but not too much hotter.

One warning came up on a variety of sites about castor oil: It does not mix with mineral oils. I am not sure if it mixes with the "synthetic lubricant + mineral oil additive mix" that I have in there at the moment.

How much of the mix in there can I leave in without causing problems due to the non-mixing with castor oil? I'd like to leave the planetary gears and bearings where they are and just take the lid off, but a lot of lubricant is stuck on all those surfaces. From previous experience, only about 60ml of the 80ml can be removed without taking everything apart and wiping it clean or soaking it in solvents.
 
nutsandvolts said:
France, Britain seek to curb oil market volatility

"The world economy needs reliable supplies at prices that are not too high, as that would risk destroying economic growth prospects, nor too low, as that could cause a fall in investment as was the case during the 1990s"

These clowns thinking they can control economics are predictable, every time they do these desperate acts, they make matters worse.


Too bad the US is so reliant on outside suppliers, we have all felt the volatility in the oil market. It's way past time to press for more US production of oil, natural gas, coal to gasoline, nuclear and more research into green energy to make it cost competitive.

Right now energy cost is one factor in keeping us from coming out of this recession. How long can people go without jobs?

Deron.
 
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