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Philistine said:
Philistine wrote:Yes, let's go back to total protectionism, that has worked well for everybody, particularly the darker coloured people of the world.

deVries said:
I don't think anyone is suggesting this idea including me.
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Devries, how exactly is it that you are going to stop manufacturing in the US from moving to Mexico, China and India, without engaging protectionism?
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Easy, Americans just need to regulate their publicly traded companies in the USA to train/educate American workers that lost their jobs directly from the across borders move, and replace those lost jobs they send across borders with new jobs of similar value at least in wages. It's an insurance fee that all companies can pay into either privately or with a government trust.

This will prevent entire American communities from being destroyed & devastated for decades, because the local "main industry(s)" moved away.

Americans educate more foreign students that go back to their countries to then build their futures, probably, more than all other nations combined. We are the most generous nation in that regard including immigration & foreign aid too.

deVries said:
With Free Trade The Rule of Wall Street's Evil Empire began gutting America by sending our manufacturing to Mexico, China, India, all overseas just to enrich themselves committing class warfare on a national scale.
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Philistine said:
Call me crazy, but that is where I got it from.
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At least we're getting it from the same place. :lol:

Philistine said:
Devries can I take a punt that you have never visited a developing country? Have you ever spent time (I mean in a real home, with real people) in a developing country?
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No, you can't take a punt, I lived in Mexico to go to school there for a short time long before NAFTA was passed. I've traveled extensively in Mexico & have traveled & done business in Guatemala. I've seen the huge disparities between the super wealthy & the dirt poor in these nations, and I'm damn sure not going to roll over to the wolves of the power elites that will do the same here to most Americans if given a chance. It is already happening here big time!

Philistine said:
Do you have any idea about US foreign policy in relation to the Trade Related Aspects of Intellectual Property (TRIPS), and the US using the 301 trade process to stop Indians and Africans from "breaching" US pharmecutical patents (to save the lives of their own people)? This isn't the "fat cats" on Wall Street - this is your Government.
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The "fat cats" on Wall Street run their pawns called "government". We are a Fascist nation for the corporate elites & socialist poor that are bitched at for being socialist. Like we have any say or choice. :p Americans need to awaken & be able to vote on the weekend instead of Tuesday on a work day. :idea: :wink:

National & International pressure has already changed many American Pharmaceutical Companies in this regard. After all, Americans pay much higher prices for their legal drugs & sell them cheaper overseas. Part of this protectionism is because drugs are very expensive to prove their effectiveness & pass double blind scientific studies here before they can be sold. Many poor & seniors have to buy their drugs from Mexico or Canada, because these same American drugs are cheaper to buy across the border. It's the Fascist corporations that keep us down, because they control the American government.

deVries said:
As indicated in a previous post, Fair Trade is a good thing. I don't support Trade Treaties that allow for slash & burn destruction of either country's populations or environment to enrich wealthy elites on both sides whilst ignoring the damage such trade disruptions cause to the poor & middle class & damage to their environment. That's why I rephrased the idea of Free Trade to contrast it with idea of Fair Trade.
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Philistine said:
Free trade is fair trade, because the minute that you get to choose what is "fair", guess what? You make it unfair for the next guy. If you doubt that, go look at the US behaviour in relation to IP and TRIPS. That isn't because the US are a c&nt of a government, that is because, guess what? They are self interested, just like everyone else, that is why we need true freedom. It is the same reason we need "freedom of speech", because the minute we let someone decide what is "fair" speech, mine (and lots of others) pie holes get shut.
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H. Ross Perot knew Americans, the poor & middle class, would be totally & completely screwed if we bought into the idea of Free Trade. I believe he was proven right for the last 20+ years. You can't change my mind without proof I'm wrong about what has happened to Americans & their jobs & communities. It has gotten much worse rather than much better. It's been a race to the bottom. :idea: :twisted:
Philistine said:
EDIT: I really want to nail home this point, it astounds me that Americans (of all people), don't get the importance of Free Trade. It is simply ontologically incoherent, and deductively false, to attempt to maintain that a civic polity should have freedom of speech, without freedom of international trade. FFS, you protect the concept of interstate freedom of trade, but magically the minute you leave Federal sovereignty the concepts evaporate into thin air? If you believe in the underlying principles of the US Constitution, then you MUST, support free trade. Maybe you don't support the US Constitution? I don't know. Personally I think the US Constitution is one of the most beautiful documents ever created by man (certainly miles better that that POS the Bible), I wish it was Australia's Constitution (ours is a steaming pile of crap), but I scratch my head sometimes at the inanity and spoilt brat ideas that come out of (what I consider) the second best country in the world (which has the best Constitution).
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Hey friend, Fair Trade is not the same as unfair trade. Free Trade can never be, since, in truth, all countries are at different levels of development. I want Americans to enjoy the benefits of Fair Trade, so American citizens can do well as trade expands too. I think the Germans have much better labor & education standards & more equality with better wages & incomes for all. Germany is the greatest exporter nation for its size in the world or certainly the western world. Its manufactured goods are a marvel of engineering vs The Shit from China Walmart or other inferior goods from less developed countries trying to improve.

America does not have to depend on China for Walmart products & lose our good jobs here to be replaced with cheap crap from there. That's neither Free Trade or Fair Trade. :wink: We can do better here at home, rather than race to the bottom, and the Chinese can improve over time too. That's Fair Trade instead of Junk Trade or Unfair Trade aka Free Trade in the USA thanks to Fascist Free Traders. :shock:

I am very appreciative of the Chinese people. I have known many. They are very advanced in the use of electric bikes and scooters, and I do buy these motors & products from China. I support the Chinese people in this way & will continue to do it. Many here on ES recognize that many of these Chinese motors could be manufactured with much better quality in mind, so there is a demand for major improvements. It's better to buy products locally, when possible, so Americans should make better products here and/or demand higher quality from imports too.
 
Devries.

I started writing a quoted captioned to your last post. Then I realised that even though my wife had gone to bed, and hence the sound of my palm slapping against my forehead was offending noone, the wine buzz and synthetic cannibinoid I was riding wore off, and I remembered there was a website called efukt.com, and I had better things to do.

Sorry, I just threw a gym sock in the corner.....

OK.....

Easy, Americans just need to regulate their publicly traded companies in the USA to train/educate American workers that lost their jobs directly from the across borders move, and replace those lost jobs they send across borders with new jobs of similar value at least in wages. It's an insurance fee that all companies can pay into either privately or with a government trust.
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Awesome policy Devries. I have been a director of two different public companies, if someone asked me at any given time, whether I could ascertain if (or how many) jobs had been lost to overseas operations, it would have been literally impossible for me ascertain. I don't mean it would have been hard. As a director of public companies (for example), I have been required (under court oder) to retrieve personal emails that employees have sent three years ago. How in F*ck exactly, am I meant to ascertain whether a job has been lost to a foreign country? How do I discriminate between them? Are you serious?

EDIT: I should mention, it is my hope and dream that I can offshore as many jobs as I can to south east asia. Every time I do it (and I try to do it as much as I can), I feel good. I give starving poor people jobs. I will always feel good about that. If a job can be done in South East Asia, that otherwise can be done in Australia, then move it there. If you don't get this, did you not have a little brother or sister? Do you not get the concept of "development"? To lay hoarey shit on me about "work conditions" and "labour standards".... that is for those countries to build (and I help them do it). Do you c*nts in the States say "no corporate restructures in Delaware because it is a governance of explotatioN!" Why do I ask? You probably do....
 
Philistine said:
Devries.

I started writing a quoted captioned to your last post. Then I realised that even though my wife had gone to bed, and hence the sound of my palm slapping against my forehead was offending noone, the wine buzz and synthetic cannibinoid I was riding wore off, and I remembered there was a website called fukt.com, and I had better things to do.

Sorry, I just threw a gym sock in the corner.....

OK.....
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At least I'm having some effect without any affect in understanding. :lol: :p

Easy, Americans just need to regulate their publicly traded companies in the USA to train/educate American workers that lost their jobs directly from the across borders move, and replace those lost jobs they send across borders with new jobs of similar value at least in wages. It's an insurance fee that all companies can pay into either privately or with a government trust.
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Philistine said:
Awesome policy Devries. I have been a director of two different public companies, if someone asked me at any given time, whether I could ascertain if (or how many) jobs had been lost to overseas operations, it would have been literally impossible for me ascertain. I don't mean it would have been hard. As a director of public companies (for example), I have been required (under court oder) to retrieve personal emails that employees have sent three years ago. How in F*ck exactly, am I meant to ascertain whether a job has been lost? Are you serious?
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For you, no, but for HR here in a company with 100+ employes it can be done. Someone in the company knows how many employees are lost once the plan is done or move is completed. Accounting for the loss of a job, & why that happened is not that difficult. It already has to be done by HR for other reasons anyway. It is done to some degree anytime a company moves somewhere including to another town or state. An average can be known by how many were employed at the new plant vs how many were lost at the old plant. Besides all that, the person that lost their job will file a claim too, so it will be tracked by both parties. Not all jobs will be lost or replaced because some will find another job & never file a claim anyway.
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EDIT: I should mention, it is my hope and dream that I can offshore as many jobs as I can to south east asia. Every time I do it (and I try to do it as much as I can), I feel good. I give starving poor people jobs. I will always feel good about that. If a job can be done in South East Asia, that otherwise can be done in Australia, then move it there. If you don't get this, did you not have a little brother or sister? Do you not get the concept of "development"? To lay hoarey shit on me about "work conditions" and "labour standards".... that is for those countries to build (and I help them do it). Do you c*nts in the States say "no corporate restructures in Delaware because it is a governance of explotatioN!" Why do I ask? You probably do....
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I'm all for your need to help or exploit foreign labor, because this is your lost brother & sister *too*.

Everyone should pitch-in for a fund to help the other brother & sister you threw out onto the street in Aussie land too. Just give him/her the training/education & another job of similar value/wage, unless wealthy like you. If you don't, then your Aussie brother/sister will become homeless & weaken their neighbors too with less money in circulation. Maybe you should be replaced if you can't address that inequality too, since eventually you will weaken your own economy as is what has already happened here too. I believe Americans just need to regulate their publicly traded companies in the USA to train/educate American workers that lost their jobs directly from the across borders move, and replace those lost jobs they send across borders with new jobs of similar value at least in wages. It can be done as an insurance fee that all companies can pay into either privately or with a government trust. Eventually, once we all arise to the level of Free & Fair Trade & jobs are equalized to one's natural abilities, then that fund can be eliminated or used for better purposes. Hopefully, we could use it for upper management then, and eliminate most of their jobs for taking such obscene amounts of money in tax havens & exclusive stock options and insanely high wages vs everyone else while they helped their poor brothers & sisters in "foreign lands". :mrgreen: :idea:
 
Yes my government, your govermnent and the other government were always reallty efficient..... right?
 
Philistine said:
Yes my government, your government and the other government were always reallty efficient..... right?
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My government is really very efficient for all on Wall Street, Banksters, Military Industrial Complex, and deregulation of the criminal elites that manage both their government & their instruments of mass destruction aka amazing financial leverage reserved "justly" for themselves.

The sheeple people haven't learned that there will always be the powerful elite criminals too, the sociopaths that are busy saving the world becoming very wealthy & very powerful too, as ever, and they must be regulated & put in jail too.

Then government can recover from that form of efficient controls and be efficient for the majority of people and not be sheeple. It's all too lopsided for the wealthy now & for the last 30 years or so... :(
 
Philistine said:
DELETE - Possibly too funny - happy to reveal link in private corro.
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I clicked on the link and a 29 year old who says she lives just down the street, beside the school, wish to borrow some PORK :!: :mrgreen:
 
Philistine wrote:DELETE - Possibly too funny - happy to reveal link in private corro.


I clicked on the link and a 29 year old who says she lives just down the street, beside the school, wish to borrow some PORK
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How funny is it?

I figured I couldn't keep it up there, given this is not even the Cess Pool.... (I presume I wouldn't be allowed to put up even there...)
 
Stumbled across this thought-provoking article on another site:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/feb/16/suzanne-moore-disgusted-by-poor

I suppose it is ultimately the downside of the egotism of liberalism devoid of a social conscious.

This is also very interesting as the reified version of the article.

[youtube]suJCvkazrTc[/youtube]
 
Ordo ab Chao hey! order from chaos.. or a Hegelian Dialectic...thesis vs antithesis = synthesis... or now known as PRS..(problem reaction solution) (or to some people..no names.. non existent false flag terror!!) wonder what secret organisation follows those mantras??..

"If you got a problem, yo I'll solve it,....check out ma hook while my spin doctor revolves it!" :wink: haha

we make the problem, we fix the problem, everbody's happy!!!...but some of you still moan! :shock:

speaking of LFPs corruption is so bad its legal... check out this, It is too funny but so scarily true..

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/wed-february-15-2012/stockblockers---political-intelligence

I love it when he compares the fact that insider trading is legal for congressmen and the bill to make it illegal was blocked (obviously;).. to punching people in the face..

"y'know punching people in the face is bad & also illegal for normal citizens so here's a bill saying maybe you guys shouldn't do it either!"

"well whats a little slap! sometimes people just need it!!...I think we'll block that bill!"...god they all need throwing straight into boiling oil.. balls first!!!

Vive la revolution!... before your mighty eagle does fall from the sky and the giant red bear (lead by the international planners and financiers of our doom) takes all of us into the faci-capito-communist one world tyrannical eternal dictatorship....

because if we leave it much longer and we aren't happy...well it's off to the camps with you!!!.. or switch you off from the matrix..(no credit no life....cash is illegal) (not unlawful though!)

p.s philistine..could you PM me the LINK..i'm curious now as every time I read your posts and glance at your pic It does seem as if Bill himself may have wrote the words 8) ..

one of my biggest irritations is the use of LOL (its a bit like "awkward" or "not") but I must say many a time reading your prose I literally do Laugh out Loud!!..

and big howl to my wolfbro too! AAAAwwwoooooooooohh! fellow protector of the flock!..

Its all from that confusion of the words lawful,unlawful and legal, illegal.. many things the government have made legal for its self to do (statute de-facto law) are actually Unlawful (proper constitutional dejure-common law) and vice versa!.. like its illegal to ride a electric assisted bicycle that has above 200w(uk)booh!:( 750w (us) power while actually totally lawful (until you harm another)....well officer it is actually Unlawful for the government to impose mandatory restrictions on a free sovereign beings' constitutional right to travel! a far worse crime!!... defacto commercial law can only be applied when the terms driver/operator and motor vehicle are used.. as they are indications of an act of commerce on the parent companies' (the governments') roads!! (hence your car's government property serial number-licence plate) and your employee card (driving license)

Murder is Unlawful!....so is Rape, Fraud & Robbery (including insider trading and forced bailouts) as all are against the common law of the land...(no one has the right to affect anyone else's freedoms)

not wearing your seat belt, speeding, not paying parking fines, consuming plants etc..all just made up rules of the law of the Sea (of commerce) also known as UCC (universal commercial code) or the law of admiralty..invented by the Phoenicians and tyrannically forced upon the whole world by our great empire of Britannia and her son who continued her legacy, Uncle Sam... thats why you wait in "the dock" at court,,,your about to get on a ship..so the law of the see will apply and the judge is the captain of the ship! and a captain is all powerful, as you are on his ship!!!

such a shame that a great country set out for freedom against all that, was eventually corrupted by the financial power that always gets its way...since 1913 (the FED act) you guys have been owned...

my country (Britain) since the 1800s...power is so ingrained into society it has a name (the aristocracy) Baron this or Earl of that..once your rich/powerful enough you become a member of the queens family.. or a ministry of this or a royal institution of that... and can inside trade anonymously via the Bank of England Nominees!! :D you can actually buy a lordship! or peerage..

30 years was just being kind!..."LOL" :wink:

The worlds richest country, yet all those homeless people!

the worlds richest country but somehow owes China (a developing country???) $7.9 trillion.. (nearly as much as all the gold ever mined in the history of the world)

you always thought stuff like third world debt when you were young was countries in debt to America (the world bank) but America is its self in debt, to a country that is also in Debt, (to who?;)

there's always this part where we all owe each other and we should just cancel all debts and start again...but there happens to be an entity (the IMF) that wont let the debts be cancelled because its shareholders (international banking families and their national/international reserve banks) want the interest they so much deserve for plowing the world into financial slavery and meltdown...

ah well at least when the Red Empire NWO brave new world finally is accepted by us (nay asked for in the name of peace) the international plutocracy (known as THE company- or APPLE;) hehe, will make sure the national trade barriers of every country are dissolved in the name of "free trade" and we will all use one currency so batteries from the far east will be just as cheap as buying em down the road with no stealth import taxes!....just a massive FUN TAX for going more than 5mph while grinning!!! :shock: :wink: haha
and remember we are tracking your Ebikes GPS and are using your phones forward camera to monitor your speed and facial expressions so no breach of the speedgrin law will be possible....but you can still pay the Tax in case!...a refund of this Tax can be arranged if you can just come to the world government throne room at the UN and join the queue!...oh and get past the autonomous robot terminators...or for the moment autonomous robot humans in body armor with M16s...
 
liveforphysics said:
The only terrorist groups to fear are the US government and US lawyers.

http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/14.06/chemistry.html?pg=1&topic=chemistry&topic_set=


Which seems like as good of time as any to show this video taken just an hour from my home. I can't even imagine how impotent and pathetic of a leader you have to be, and then how spineless of an officer you have to be to pepper spray a group of students sitting on the grass at there school holding hands.

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It's funny how many things become a self-for-filling prophecy. For example, if you wanted to protest police brutality, you would undoubtedly be met with it sooner or later.

The corruption and evil is so deep here, it's the law.
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Talk about corruption and evil?

POS suffered "stress and depression" after notorious action and wins $38k settlement, GMAFB....

http://nation.time.com/2013/10/24/infamous-pepper-spray-officer-wins-thousands-in-compensation-case/
 
The problem is they ruled his actions to be within policy, therefore any "disabilities" that stem from his actions fall under worker comp protections.
 
mrzed said:
We need to start an open source project to design self replicating plastics recycling aquatic robots that scour the great pacific garbage patch and recycle it into energy and the building blocks for a floating modular living platform for the new libertarian capital.

Claim free thinking sovereignty in the middle of the great ocean by cleaning up a problem that the nations cannot.
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Nah, let kids do it. We can put the protestors to work DOING something's.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/01/us/irish-teen-wins-google-science-fair-trnd/index.html
 
*wags his finger at ya for bumping a 6 year old thread*
 
Ever hear of politicians taking a pay cut?
https://globalnews.ca/news/5732940/alberta-mla-pay-ucp-premier/

Dont worry, they will end up getting all the money back + more for their troubles.
They always find a way to screw the taxpayers! ALWAYS!
 
they have robots now cleaning the ocean, but they are not self replicating or enough of them.. so try to reduce plastic usage unless you have waste management and even if you do.. hemp plastics??
 
Get rid of plastic straws and plastic garbage bags, while China, India and Pakistan dont give a f@ck! about no enviroment.

efMX Trials Electric Freeride said:
they have robots now cleaning the ocean, but they are not self replicating or enough of them.. so try to reduce plastic usage unless you have waste management and even if you do.. hemp plastics??
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markz said:
Get rid of plastic straws and plastic garbage bags, while China, India and Pakistan dont give a f@ck! about no enviroment.

efMX Trials Electric Freeride said:
they have robots now cleaning the ocean, but they are not self replicating or enough of them.. so try to reduce plastic usage unless you have waste management and even if you do.. hemp plastics??
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that's why I mention waste management.. and even those countries that have poor waste management are starting to care bc no one really wants to live in a shiite hole or eat polluted sea food.. in more modern societies its about killing or changing the market for these products and or developing safer alternatives.. when I visit the caribbean islands, you can not find straws or plastic bags even if you wanted them bc the ocean is their livelihood and pride.. back to government at work, many are helping to develop and deploy ocean cleaning "robots" and systems.. its a big ocean with lots of trash so may likely take large (governmental) scale budget and effort to impact.. but with the recent usa federal legalization of hemp, research and development of myriad products derived from it could result in more product choices with less potential for long term pollution due to shorter decomposition time .. do we really need plastic bottles that may take a thousand years before decomposition, or perhaps a hemp plastic that degrades in only 100 years or less..
 
Great oceanic garbage patch would be a great start to cleaning up, but even cleaning the smallest of plastic particulates would be impossible to do, all the while keeping normal organics in the ocean.
 
of course source points must also be addressed, not just post pollution clean-ups.. not too long ago toothpaste even came with micro plastics including in the advertising as some benefit. now thankfully they stopped doing that realizing that water goes downstream and maybe we don't want it loaded with plastics..
 
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