Phantom X Review

dj31592

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Hello everyone, I've had the Phantom X since November of 2011. Since then I've averaged about 40 miles per week on it, meaning I have well over 800 miles on it thus far. On this review I will not mention specs since you can easily find that on the prodeco website or on other reviews...

I'm 5'8 and I weigh in at about 150 pounds. The phantom x's seat and handlebar can be easily adjusted to your liking. The weight of the bike is centered behind you (due to rear hub motor and lithium battery). Riding it was a little weird at first being that having that much weight centered behind you somewhat limits your ability to lean too much during turning, or make very sudden turns safely. Regardless of this though, I quickly acclimated to the feel of the bike. You will get a very clean and smooth ride with it. The motor provides an acceptable amount of power for inclines, so I've never caught myself stand pedaling up a hill. The weight centering of the bike does however impact the kick you would expect from this 500 watt motor. I haven't been on any other e-bikes, but judging from the posts I've read I would say that the motor feels like more of a 400 watt one with the weight factored in (more so if you are a heavier rider). This isn't a problem for me because with modest pedaling and the throttle pushed to the max on a flat or slight incline I can still max out at around 18-20 mph without exerting myself. I would like to add that if you take the battery off the rack this bike feels like a regular mountain bike with no weight problems as far as I'm concerned. The battery can be locked on the rack, removed from the rack, and used to 'start' the bike with a neat little key. The key has to stay in the battery key slot when the bike is on though. Some people complain that having the key sticking out is dangerous, but unless you're planning to bike through a forest I don't see how it will ever be an issue. Only about an inch of the key sticks out. The battery level indicator located on the back of the battery to the left of the light features a red button that can be pressed to indicate 100% , 75%, 50%, and 25%. This is a lot more accurate than the indicator on the handlebar. I don't even pay attention to the indicator on the handlebar actually. Just know that once the green light disappears and only half and empty are lit you should charge the battery before going for a ride longer than 3 miles. Oh, and the battery dies pretty quickly during the first ride. This is a common occurrence so don't be alarmed. Once you charge it up again after this you should get the full mileage advertised. I have enjoyed having this bike. It has been a huge time saver, and every ride I get out of it is a great experience. A bike of this expense and quality will not be of low maintenance however. To get a long life out of it you will have to take care of it. Next I will discuss the issues I've had with the bike that others have also seemed to have.

When I took the bike out of the box and assembled it (took no longer than 10 min for assembly) I noticed that the back 1/3 of the battery rack had been slightly bent. Due to my anxiousness to ride it I still forced the battery onto the rack ( DONT DO THIS). Removing the battery several weeks later was more than a pain. If your rack is bent or not I advise you to oil the rack. Once I oiled the rack I never had a problem with removing or putting on the battery again. The removal process should not be difficult at all.
I am not the only phantom x owner to have a bent rack right out of the shipping box based on other reviews and posts that I've read. I'm pretty sure that it was bent during shipping. This bent rack did however cause a major issue four months down the line. After first putting on the battery I tried to pull it off the rack using the provided battery handle. I put a great deal of force into it without any success or budging, so I gave up and didn't remove the battery for several weeks as mentioned before. Doing this weakened the handle for sure, and the third or fourth time I removed the battery (sometime in February) the handle completely broke off, taking the entire back of the battery off (light and all). The interior of the battery was exposed, wires and all, and I knew I had to call prodeco to see about that mythical 2 year parts warranty. I called them that same afternoon, and they just wanted to make sure that they had my warranty information. I shipped the battery back a couple of days later. If you have any problems with bike parts after the first 30 days you are responsible for shipping whatever it is you need sent back to prodeco. Shipping the battery back was a bit expensive, especially since I had to get a new box for it too, but it had to be done. I advise you to keep all the boxes the bike came with for at least two months, and never throw away the box the battery came packaged in. I had my fixed battery back within 2 weeks. So the warranty holds true after all (they pay for shipping it back to you btw). I also advise you to hold the sides of the battery for removing it from the rack to avoid ever breaking off the handle like I did.

My last issue with the bike is with the rotors. When you get the bike they say that it takes several rides for the disc brakes to 'break in'. I guess this is somewhat true, but me being naive and lacking in any bike knowledge when I got the bike I figured the wobble/pulsating feeling I was getting while braking with full force was the brakes 'breaking in'. It was not though. This pulsating feeling was soon followed by a chirping metal to metal sound for both rotors that randomly went away and randomly increased in loudness, persistence, and pattern. I recently did a ton of research online and I've come to the conclusion that both my rotors have been warped from the very beginning haha. It's not noticeable by the eye, but they are definitely warped based on the sounds and issues I've been having. I emailed prodeco last night to see about getting new ones. I found one other similar post about a phantom x owner complaining about his rotors producing this same chirping metal to metal noise. I like to believe that my bike was in perfect condition before it left Prodeco's factory, so I've also blamed the rotor issue on the way the bike was packaged during shipping and handling during shipping. I mean what are the chances of both my rotors being warped before leaving the Prodeco factory?

Well this is it for my review. I was added to the waiting list for the Phantom X in early August of 2011 and I did not see my bike until November 2011 haha. But it was worth the wait despite the few issues I've had. You will not find another bike with these features at this low a price. If you decided to get any prodeco bike do not follow in my footsteps. Straight out of the box if you have any issue with your bike (a bent rack, rotor/disc brake problems, etc) and the issue is not a simple fix, make sure to contact prodeco within that 30 day window to avoid any additional costs on your behalf. Judging from my problems all of them stem from packaging and handling of the bike during shipping. Hopefully Prodeco has made packaging safer for the Phantom X since November.
 
Spacey said:
Sure I had read this review on here before?...1st post?

Welcome to ES.

Nothing ever happens to 'em so I'm not surprised. Unsuspecting readers become victims of the ongoing scam that this company continually perpetrates.
 
Thanks. Yea, this was my first post. I made an account last night haha. Some of what I mentioned might sound a little familiar cuz like I mentioned in the review I've had similar issues with the phantom x that several other people have already posted about (the bent rack thing for example).

and to the other guy, what scam are you talking about? Do you really think someone at this company will waste time on a Saturday night to make a post as detailed as mine? Even about the negatives encountered? I made this review because not too long ago I was reading reviews on every website possible to find out more about the Phantom X. Investing in an e-bike is a pretty bid deal, and like me, most people rather find out everything they can before deciding to buy in. Just because I have mostly good to say about the bike does not make this a scam. I'm also pretty skeptical of companies in general but common...
 
Gotta say it, with all due respect if I am wrong but my gut tells me that this is a Prodeco advert from the company.

If I am wrong then I do apologies, but I see this a lot on a certain pro audio forum I post on.

Like I said if I am wrong then please accept my apologise...but see it from our point of view :wink: Anyhow enjoy all the information on this site and please do ask questions about any problems you might have with your bike.
 
There is a censorship filter on phpbb that can replace words automatically. I think the admins should set it up to replace 'prodeco' with something else..

Or corrall all these guerilla-marketing-esque prodeco posts into one big thread.
 
I understand people being skeptical. In this country it would be unwise to be too trusting...but I don't understand the need to comment on this post if you are skeptical though. For all practical purposes I want to say that I am not affiliated with Prodeco in any way. I'm nothing but a customer. I made this post in hopes to inform people of my experience with the Phantom X. If you're interested in purchasing one here are some of the things you might have to deal with...simple as that. I can't speak for anyone else, but when I was looking for an e-bike I narrowed it down between the Prodeco Phantom X and a Pedego Cruiser (the balloon tire option and rim color customization for the pedego cruiser really interested me) and finding reviews for pedego cruisers was a lot easier. The main reason I picked the phantom X in the end was due to the 2 year warranty prodeco offers. Buying the phantom x is a risk due to prodeco's lack of a track record, but believe me or not, I could care less if anyone thinks this is a Prodeco advert. For those of you who think so please don't bother commenting. If you think I'm a regular person who truly purchased a phantom X several months ago feel free to ask any questions. Sorry if I come off as a little angry, but I don't see the point in anyone commenting or accusing me of being affiliated with prodeco when there is a higher possibility of me being a regular customer who wants to tell his story after having a pretty good experience with prodeco thus far. Take your scam conspiracy gut feelings to a different post por favor. Thanks for welcoming me to this site though. I will definitely ask questions if I have any.

If you are so close-minded to automatically coin me as a prodeco rep....well I don't know what logic can be used to convince you otherwise.
Understand my point of view. Having all you skeptics reply on this post ruins my post for people who are just looking for information, tips, and advice.....which makes my post pretty pointless. I took time out of my life to write this lol, please respect that and leave it alone for people with questions or additional review info/experiences.
 
Couldn't have anything to do with new members with 0 posts making long and detailed posts about their brand new prodeco bike 1-2 times a month for about a year straight on a forum devoted to DIYing electric bikes, not buying them..

Among other various odd things.
 
Is this a good thread to post about all the problems we have been seeing reported about Prodeco Bikes, and the poor after-sales support?

You would think that since these things are so underpowered, with such small batteries, they would last longer. Can you imagine how fast they would self-destruct if they were a full 750w like other factory bikes, instead of only 500w? And that poor guy yesterday who was having trouble getting his to stop at a mere 15mph, I don't know if it was broken or what. Too bad, I hope other people new to the hobby don't waste their money on a Prodeco like he did.
 
1. I don't care what other people do. What other people have posted in the past has little to do with the credibility of my post.
2. The forum is dedicated to E-bike reviews and testing, not only diy bikes. Not everyone has the time knowledge or desire to build an electric bike on their own.
3. I thought I asked you to leave my post alone? Be a skeptic, I honestly don't care, but I asked you nicely to do it elsewhere. No matter how convinced you are that this is a scam, fact remains that you can never be sure so stop acting like your opinion is a fact, and stop influencing others into believing the same. You are accusing me of being a prodeco rep and using guerrilla marketing tactics to influence others into buying the phantom x (influencing others being the main issue at hand I'm assuming), but you are the one influencing others into believing that this is a scam without adequate information to prove that it is. Stop being a hypocrite. I'm not trying to influence anyone into buying anything. It was just a review. Leave it be.
 
@ oatnet

Sure, I figure the more problems we mention the more likely Prodeco is to address them. The one issue I had with the battery was resolved without too much trouble. I agree that their response time could be faster though. I won't necessarily say that it's a waste of money though.I can't speak for their other bikes...I would never buy a bike under 500 watts since anything under 500 watts would be relatively useless once u hit a decent incline, but the phantom x has been pretty reliable thus far. Like I said before, for a little over 1k it's kind of what I expected. I do need to get the rotor issue solved because riding with that persistent noise is pretty annoying. I don't know if it's due to my door always hitting the long battery pack when I take the bike out for a ride or due to bad design, but the top part of my controller has begun to crack a little. The plastic isn't overly sturdy. And using the throttle makes gears 1 and 2 beyond useless.
 
dj31592 said:
I thought I asked you to leave my post alone? Be a skeptic, I honestly don't care, but I asked you nicely to do it elsewhere.

You are the one that is new to this forum. You're telling people who have been here for years to take their posting elsewhere? :lol:

Conspiracy or not, i just find that kinda odd :)
 
...dude. Find it odd all you want. Am I supposed to like that you are accusing me of being something that I'm not? But seriously what is the point of you posting that this is a scam? What do you get out of it? If I think something is a scam I leave it alone because despite what I may believe I could be wrong. But you post on here as if you're 100% sure that you're right. To me that's just arrogant and unnecessary.
 
Most of us have a thing about integrity and if you wish to promote products using the "good reputation" of this forum, best be prepared for the scrutiny that comes with that privilege. Have a nice day!
 
Not 100% sure, never said your post was a smoking gun or definitely part of Prodeco's guerrilla marketing that has been going on for about a year here :).... just sounds an awful lot like it ;)..

I do find it odd that people would sign up just to talk about their prodeco bike on a forum devoted to DIY and building your own.

You're not unwelcome here, but if you do decide to drop the cheap pre-built bike and DIY you may get a better response. Especially if you don't name your bike a Phantom X ;)
 
...so arguing with you guys is completely pointless. Where does it say that this forum is devoted to diy and building your own? I've seen many posts on company built bikes in this "E-Bike Reviews & Testing" category. Perhaps I didn't read the fine print? And there is no need to be condescending or sarcastic towards me for not wanting to build my own e-bike. So what if the phantom x is pre-built? ( you and I both know that it is not cheap by any means). B4 this bike I was buying $80 bikes from walmart lmao, so thats why I can never call this cheap. It still gets the job done nonetheless. At the end of the day my bike and your bike are meant to do the same thing...and that is get us from point A to point B. As an engineering student I have a love for technology seen on ebikes and the liking. I have no bias towards those who decide to put together their bikes vs those who buy pre-built bikes from a company. The only reason I made this post was to provide info for people who are interested in purchasing this particular bike. Put your pride and integrity away. I'm not looking to promote this product. There's no reason I should have to get scrutiny from anyone for wanting to post info on a site that helped me greatly in the past. You guys ever think how unwelcoming you are when you accuse someone off the bat? It's as if you feel entitled to scrutinize people just because you're so much better for building your own e-bike. relax yourself please. you're not that special. Building an e-bike on your own is commendable, but please, take your head out of your ass. Unless you're looking to read my review on the phantom x and add to it or ask questions,I still see no reason for you to comment if you think I'm a rep. It doesn't matter how long you've been a member here, you're not the forum police, and there is no need for you to stick your head in posts that have nothing to do with you.
 
I thought this was a forum for E-Bike Reviews and Testing ... strange that there was no mention of it being a DIY Review and Testing site.

:?

Can anyone recommend a site that does E-Bike Reviews and Testing?
 
PaulXyZ said:
I thought this was a forum for E-Bike Reviews and Testing ... strange that there was no mention of it being a DIY Review and Testing site.

:?

Can anyone recommend a site that does E-Bike Reviews and Testing?

You win.
There are 6 prodeco reviews in this particular section.

But if you read the rest of the site, we are more oriented towards DIY. There are other ebike forums that are basically devoted to prebuilt bikes, but not this one.

I see what you mean and i'll shut up on that angle :)
 
I think everyone should probably tone the Prodeco-hate down a little. ;)

I am fairly sure that while there probably have been shills on here for that company, this member or his review isn't one of them. Keep in mind that there are probably a lot of these bikes actually out there, so enough people are riding them around that some of them are likely to run across ES and want to post about them, just like any other bike.

It just happens to be their bad luck that we have had bad experiences with this issue of shills for various companies--we shoudln't take it out on every single person that happens to own one of these bikes, though.



(FWIW, I hate spammers so much that I kinda voluntarily ended up "in charge" of keeping them off the site, and spend a fair bit of time doing it...but I give them all a chance if it isn't obvious spam. ;))
 
So Prodeco still hasn't responded with a solution to the email I sent Friday night pertaining to my warped rotors. I received an email from them Monday evening informing me that their tech guy was out that day and would get back to me asap on Tuesday. I'll wait until Thursday before calling them. So there is no way to fix warped rotors huh? I'm really not looking forward to taking out that back wheel with the motor.
 
oh, and thanks amberwolf. I completely agree. It's unfair, and in my opinion quite illogical, to bash or accuse every prodeco bike reviewer due to the possible misdeeds of the company no matter how long yall have been dealing with it. I checked their fb site and they're now shipping out at least a thousand bikes a week. Logic would support that a few of their customers would find this website and want to post info for anyone interested in learning more about the reliability and feel of these bikes.
 
dj31592 said:
So there is no way to fix warped rotors huh?
I'm not aware of any easy way, and none at all that would not require removal of the rotor, since the only ways I can think of would involve reheating the rotor enough to allow reshaping and then retempering the steel. :( Much easier and cheaper just ot replace the rotors.

You *could* try rebending the rotor by hand but I expect that wihtout building a fixture to hold any already-straight parts you'd just make it worse.
 
I purchased a Phantom X in November 2011. I use it exclusively off road. It is a great bike. I'm g presently converting to an X2.

Prodeco has a great product line. They're a small but rapidly company. Demand is a little overwhelming currently, but if you hang in there I'm sure you'll be extremely pleased with the product. I've got about 2,000 miles on mine so far and it's a pleasure to ride.

No, I do not work for Prodeco. Just a satisfied customer who would buy another. Their price point is spot on for what you get in terms of quality, durability, and looks.

Robert Stevens, north of Boston
 
:cry: Thanks amberwolf. Guess I have no choice but to give Prodeco an angry call tomorrow haha. And Stevens, why are you investing in an X2? It's basically the same as the regular phantom X but with an increased distance of about 10 miles.
 
dj31592,

Not buying an X2, just upgrading a X1 to a X2 for the distance advantage you mentioned. Also a cleaner looking battery and battery rack which
is better balanced in its weight distribution between seatpost and rear wheel as opposed to all weight distribution over only the rear wheel.

Robert
 
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