ping 48 volt 10 amp or 15 amp

calarco68

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I am doing my first bike build. The 48 volt 15 amp Ping is heavy! 17 pounds. Can I get away with using a Ping 48 volt 10 amp battery on a 1000 watt hub? Or will the battery burn up? I'm ordering on Friday. Thank you for all the great info! Great site. Chris
 
You want the 15 ah, unless you are running a low watt motor, like a 350 watt gearmotor with 15 amp controller. 1000 watts is actually borderline too big for a ping 15 ah. But if you don't ride abusive, the 48v 15 ah can handle up to 1200 watts. That's what I actually see on my wattmeter running a 9 continent motor on a 22 amp controller. I have about 100 cycles now, and no problems. But you do want to pedal some, if you have tons of stop signs, or really long hills, or weigh a lot more than my 180 pounds.
 
Thanks. I am not sure if the controller is 20 amps or 25 amps. Any simple test to check it? No writing on it inside or out. Came with the HBS-48 volt 1000w rear wheel.
Thanks again.
Chris
 
You will probably want the 15Ah one. Does your controller say 25A or 1000W or anything on it? Ask the person who you bought it from how many watts it is.

You absolutely do not want to run a Ping battery any higher than 2C. So the maximum amps you can pull out of a 10Ah battery is 20amps(1000W). The maximum amps you can pull out of a 15Ah battery is 30Amps(1500W).
 
The best I can do are some photo's. Any ideas come to mind? Thank you
 

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Are you absolutely set on a Ping? There are much better cells out there. Too bad there aren't many good distributors for Headway packs.
 
Ping does a 3C pack, you just have to ask. 48v10ah 30amp constant, 50amp peak. I have run this pack with a 48a controller no probs (yet),but a 30-40 amp would be wiser, sure to be fine with yours. Your controller looks like it could even be 40amps.
 
3c 10 ah. NO. If you really want the max lifespan out of any chemistry, you cannot run it at max continuous c rate. Get the 15 ah battery, if not the 20 if that is a big amp controller. If it's reallly high amp, you'd be stupid to even buy a ping. You need headways, A123, A big stack of konions, lipo.. etc.

That controller has quite a long row of fets. I bet it's bigger than a 25 amp. Do you have any kind of battery now? If so, you can test the actual amps that controller puts out using a 5 buck automotive amp meter from harbor freight.

On the other hand, 22 amp infineon controllers are going cheap on the for sale page. :D One of those should work fine with a 3c, 10 ah ping.

Good on ya Kiwi, for getting good use out of your pack. Clearly you have nothing but perfect cells in your pack. But there is no certainty that will be the case for everybody.

How many cycles, or miles? 500 cycles, 5000 miles yet? That would be acceptable to most people, even if it's half what a ping could do when loaded closer to 1c. Personally, I consider 1.5c the max rate for a 2c ping expected to last a long long time. So 15 ah can do a 22 amp controller, even if it's climbing a hill 15 miles long. Most people don't strain a battery that hard, but it's suprising how much damage a route with lots of stop signs can do. A lot depends on the rider, so my advice always assumes the worst possible conditions.

I think of it this way. How many cells paralelled in a 10 ah. two. What's the c rate if just one is a weakling. It doubles. With a 15 ah pack, on weakling is still bad, but not as bad as when you cut the pack size in half. One weak cell, and you are discharging a 10 ah battery at 10c with a 50 amp controller. Ouch! So with the bigger pack, the weak cell may never get enough stress to fail, while with a small pack it does.

If you want to be really light, then forget the ping and go straight to hobby king for 30c lipo. Then you can do a 5 ah pack.
 
So, Get the ping 48v 15amp 2c. Install with motor controller. If motor controller peaks over 20amps replace motor controller with one that stays at 20amps?
That sound good? Thank you guys...
Only question? the set-up of this 1000w hub and controller came as a unit. Don't know where. A friend gave me his project to complete. So staying lower on the amps from the controller will be less stress on the motor. Meaning I wont be getting 33mph about 27mph.
 
Hi calarco68,

The good news:

At the top of the controller in pic number 2, there are two thin metal shunt bars going across the board.
At least I think I can see 2 of em. If you take a pair of sidecutters and snip out ONE of the bars it will reduce your amp draw.

I've used 4 of these controllers on bikes now and they are very reliable 15fet cheapee chinese controllers.
However, with only one shunt wire in place they still draw up to 33amps.

The bad news:

With both of those shunt wires in place I've seen those controllers draw up to 65 amps.
I think they are made for scooters.

So, even if your take out one shunt wire, you will still need either a 48/15 3c battery or a 48/20 2c battery, if it's a ping.

Sorry to be the bearer of expensive news, but Dogman is right, you need a battery that will handle the draw, or it might soon fail.

Matt.
 
Just buy 16 10ah headway cells and a ping bms. That should handle 30 amps with ease.
 
I have a 48 volt 15 amp 16cell for sale if you are interested. It has never been used and has a 20-40 amp BMS. It also comes with a 2.5 amp charger. My email is heatervaughn@yahoo.com
 
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