Predeco Outlaw SS
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Alan B
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We do like to see reviews and testing in this section of the forum. That's what it is for. We welcome reviews and testing reports.
But a testimonial is hardly a review. They read more like advertising copy and fall short of the level of detail that one expects in a review.
Reviews would be expected to add real user experience info and add value beyond the manufacturer's advertising data, have comparisons with other similar equipment, and details about the good and not so good points of the product. Closeup photos of the actual product that go beyond the glitz on the website and really show details that interested users want to see. More a report of the user's testing than his optimism for the product. Info on the background of the reviewer would help understand what their experience level is. In this case comparing it to the OP's earlier bikes would be useful.
All this discussion about DIY being cheaper is not relevant to reviewing or testing. DIY isn't cheap if you consider all the time involved in learning, and mixing in used parts totally skews the cost comparisons. Plus cost is not the only factor for all customers and DIY is not an option for everyone. I would like to know what ebikes to recommend to non DIY folks who are interested in them. So even if we build our own ebikes we should be aware of what other reasonable choices are out there.
But a testimonial is hardly a review. They read more like advertising copy and fall short of the level of detail that one expects in a review.
Reviews would be expected to add real user experience info and add value beyond the manufacturer's advertising data, have comparisons with other similar equipment, and details about the good and not so good points of the product. Closeup photos of the actual product that go beyond the glitz on the website and really show details that interested users want to see. More a report of the user's testing than his optimism for the product. Info on the background of the reviewer would help understand what their experience level is. In this case comparing it to the OP's earlier bikes would be useful.
All this discussion about DIY being cheaper is not relevant to reviewing or testing. DIY isn't cheap if you consider all the time involved in learning, and mixing in used parts totally skews the cost comparisons. Plus cost is not the only factor for all customers and DIY is not an option for everyone. I would like to know what ebikes to recommend to non DIY folks who are interested in them. So even if we build our own ebikes we should be aware of what other reasonable choices are out there.
oatnet
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R.Stevens said:
Almost as amazing is that there are still folks out there, who are so entirely clueless about the state of Internet Piracy and identity theft, that they use their REAL names on open forums.
BTW, I wasn't referring to you, "Robert", since we all know that you are a shill account created solely to hype Prodeco's substandard hardware. Maybe if you posted your name, address, phone number, driver's license number, social security number, and a major credit card, we would believe you. Oh, and when are you leaving for vacation, how long will you be gone? :lol:
fwiw, R Stevens posted a couple of times in 2011 about his frustrations in getting delivery from Prodeco before he received his bike. I'm not convinced that labeling him a shill (sp?) is accurate.
I've been watching SDelectric bikes build up their Prodeco inventory. They're impressive looking bikes but I confess that I haven't test-driven any. The X-2's are said to be the volume leader by far although Pat Winston, the founder and manager, seems to push the Outlaw SS aggressively. He suggests that any mods to increase peak wattage be delayed until the 2-year warranty expires. At that time, he presumes that swapping controller and battery would be the way to go.
Personally, I'm a heavy guy in hill country and am sold on torque windings on 20" wheels driven by 104V and 30A.
I've been watching SDelectric bikes build up their Prodeco inventory. They're impressive looking bikes but I confess that I haven't test-driven any. The X-2's are said to be the volume leader by far although Pat Winston, the founder and manager, seems to push the Outlaw SS aggressively. He suggests that any mods to increase peak wattage be delayed until the 2-year warranty expires. At that time, he presumes that swapping controller and battery would be the way to go.
Personally, I'm a heavy guy in hill country and am sold on torque windings on 20" wheels driven by 104V and 30A.
oatnet
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Lemlux said:
I am. A lot of the shills lead with minor, non-show stopper problems to establish credibility, then gush scripted talking points.
EvoBikeShop
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Wow, the bickering here is amazing. Maybe i should remove my add before I get labelled as a shill.
EBS
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EvoBikeShop
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efMX Trials Electric Freeride said:
I don't think he works for prodeco lol.
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GCinDC
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wow, some harsh attitude here. happy customer's letter turns into company testimonial and you blame the dude? maybe you're seeing crap elsewhere that i'm not seeing. robert stevens, if you are a regular dude, post up some pics of the bike on that forest track in mass to shut some people up. then write to prodeco and tell them one letter on one page is enough, otherwise you should get a percentage if they use it everywhere!
i was in ft lauderdale around new years and found an ebike shop that had loads of prodecos and i tried the outlaw.
[youtube]Bz_yj0u9j-o[/youtube]
i liked the looks but chalo's right about the handling, and felt a bit dangerous w/ nobbies on pavement. the weight also on the back might get awkward sometimes...
but i'm curious about the company. made in us. affordable models. great warranty. don't we all want MORE of these companies??
if i'd found them 4 years ago, i might have gotten one... not a fan of a front motor, but i like their varieties.. not bad for $1300.
i was in ft lauderdale around new years and found an ebike shop that had loads of prodecos and i tried the outlaw.
[youtube]Bz_yj0u9j-o[/youtube]
i liked the looks but chalo's right about the handling, and felt a bit dangerous w/ nobbies on pavement. the weight also on the back might get awkward sometimes...
but i'm curious about the company. made in us. affordable models. great warranty. don't we all want MORE of these companies??
if i'd found them 4 years ago, i might have gotten one... not a fan of a front motor, but i like their varieties.. not bad for $1300.
miro13car
100 kW
it was me who noticed it first.
it takes just one look at the picture and use some imagination.
too much weight of battery pack plus motor on the back and long travel suspension fork means only one thing - dangerous handling.
they cannot deny law of physics.
Predeco brags so much about this fork but this fork is out of place on this ebike.
definitely he should add pictures to convince it is real cusomer review.
it takes just one look at the picture and use some imagination.
too much weight of battery pack plus motor on the back and long travel suspension fork means only one thing - dangerous handling.
they cannot deny law of physics.
Predeco brags so much about this fork but this fork is out of place on this ebike.
definitely he should add pictures to convince it is real cusomer review.
AaronBambach
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DIsclaimer: No I do not work for Prodeco 
Really having a blast on my Outlaw SS, at 45, the years of moto, mtn bike, bmx, and other action sports have taken a toll, 4 knee operations later I finally have full range of motion to make a full revolution with the pedals of a bike. I am enjoying being able to pedal out as far as I can manage, (right now 5-6 miles) and then throttle back home with light pedaling. I did have to make some immediate changes for my comfort having had a low back and neck surgery, I needed to be a bit more upright so I swapped out the stem with an adjustable, then replaced the seat with something a little softer, the bike seems to transmit even the smallest bumps very harshly to the rider - seat and stem solved the issues. The 2nd issue can not be solved.... for such a big bike, the frame size is a little too small? the distance from the center of the bottom bracket up to the top tube is very short (S-M) on most traditional bikes, so even at 5'9" when I stand up and ride with the pedals even, I feel like I am towering over the bike, decreasing control because of a high center of gravity, (this was helped with the adjustable stem). Hopefully when the company comes out with a full suspension version this can be addressed? Most riders should not need such a high bottom bracket, I don't see people needing clearance for hopping over logs on the trail with a 60lb ebike. Overall I really do like the bike, good power for the size, does do 28mph as advertised, and range is 18-20 as advertised. Nice braking system and low rolling resistance(this thing coasts awesome) compared to my wifes A2B Metro - although she pulls me hard on acceleration by a bike length and a half from a 5mph roll to 20.
I ride this bike as a traditional pedal bike as well as electric, with and without pedal assisting, both on and off road - a poster mentioned the battery placement and handling, this is not an issue, even on twisty single track trails, and is only slightly noticeable when standing and pedaling hard without electric as the bike sways side to side. In my opinion, good bike for the money when looking at commercial built non-diy options.
Suggestions for Prodeco: drop the bottom bracket so that average size rider can adjust the seat for good leg extension, but at least be able to touch the ground with toes. Add a twist throttle. Get the full suspension version out soon!
Really having a blast on my Outlaw SS, at 45, the years of moto, mtn bike, bmx, and other action sports have taken a toll, 4 knee operations later I finally have full range of motion to make a full revolution with the pedals of a bike. I am enjoying being able to pedal out as far as I can manage, (right now 5-6 miles) and then throttle back home with light pedaling. I did have to make some immediate changes for my comfort having had a low back and neck surgery, I needed to be a bit more upright so I swapped out the stem with an adjustable, then replaced the seat with something a little softer, the bike seems to transmit even the smallest bumps very harshly to the rider - seat and stem solved the issues. The 2nd issue can not be solved.... for such a big bike, the frame size is a little too small? the distance from the center of the bottom bracket up to the top tube is very short (S-M) on most traditional bikes, so even at 5'9" when I stand up and ride with the pedals even, I feel like I am towering over the bike, decreasing control because of a high center of gravity, (this was helped with the adjustable stem). Hopefully when the company comes out with a full suspension version this can be addressed? Most riders should not need such a high bottom bracket, I don't see people needing clearance for hopping over logs on the trail with a 60lb ebike. Overall I really do like the bike, good power for the size, does do 28mph as advertised, and range is 18-20 as advertised. Nice braking system and low rolling resistance(this thing coasts awesome) compared to my wifes A2B Metro - although she pulls me hard on acceleration by a bike length and a half from a 5mph roll to 20.
I ride this bike as a traditional pedal bike as well as electric, with and without pedal assisting, both on and off road - a poster mentioned the battery placement and handling, this is not an issue, even on twisty single track trails, and is only slightly noticeable when standing and pedaling hard without electric as the bike sways side to side. In my opinion, good bike for the money when looking at commercial built non-diy options.
Suggestions for Prodeco: drop the bottom bracket so that average size rider can adjust the seat for good leg extension, but at least be able to touch the ground with toes. Add a twist throttle. Get the full suspension version out soon!
ambroseliao
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This is a factory visit to Prodeco. I'm kinda hopeful that this is a trend. More American assembly, if not, manufacturing...
They look very busy!
[youtube]CBUuk5iNEj8[/youtube]
They look very busy!
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Ykick
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ambroseliao said:
That's impressive and very GENUINE. Kudos team Prodeco for opening up with a look behind the scenes! Practically every product in the world experiements with "social marketing" and I get it but a genuine report with genuine faces busy working getting eBikes out to customers/riders is a remarkable and noteworthy thing!
Nice in country wheel building! That's a biggy IMO. Some field service headaches will likely ensue but those are the growing pains of this industry.
Looks busy - do y'all get to ride your creations much? Any daily commuters or lunch hour races? Is there a good employee discount so that the people building them can actually afford to ride them???
Blackssr
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ambroseliao said:
Love the "Truing Machine". Wish I had one in my garage!
GCinDC
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nice. "these are for amazon.." lo and behold: Prodeco Technologies Phantom X2 Electric Folding Bicycle (36V, 500W)
free shipping w/ prime. $1,399.00
free shipping w/ prime. $1,399.00
migueralliart
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They even have a Harlem shake video. This seems to be a necessity nowadays LOL
Prodeco customers,
Like Robert, I am also a Phantom X owner, I ordered a late X and recieved a pre-phantom X2, but had issues with the original very long battery.
Similar to what Robert reported, Prodeco sent me new replacement, X2 components (new controller, battery, and battery rack) and I did a DIY conversion to an X2 that worked out great. I have hundreds of on and off road hours on my Phantom X2 and very happy with this ebike. I was hoping that this group could suggest the possibility of converting the 36V/12AH, 500Watt bike to something faster. The obvious might be buying Outlaw higher voltage and 750Watt motor. I really like the Phantom X2 and the folding frame, but I would would LOVE more Outlaw like speed! Gerry--
Like Robert, I am also a Phantom X owner, I ordered a late X and recieved a pre-phantom X2, but had issues with the original very long battery.
Similar to what Robert reported, Prodeco sent me new replacement, X2 components (new controller, battery, and battery rack) and I did a DIY conversion to an X2 that worked out great. I have hundreds of on and off road hours on my Phantom X2 and very happy with this ebike. I was hoping that this group could suggest the possibility of converting the 36V/12AH, 500Watt bike to something faster. The obvious might be buying Outlaw higher voltage and 750Watt motor. I really like the Phantom X2 and the folding frame, but I would would LOVE more Outlaw like speed!
Gerry--50yearoldebiker
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Trade up brother, I wonder if Prodeco would help you with that if not Ebay it & do the OUTLAW THANG 
Jason27
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Go 48 volt. You will love the extra power.
Green Machine
100 kW
There is something really fishy about Predeco and how they operate.
They oftentimes post spam here and other places pretending to be happy customers. I am not saying this is the case here with this OP...but they have def been guilty of this many times before. If you look at the OP's post history, the only time he posts is when talking about Predeco products...you could see why someone would suspect him.
Just their name is weird...very similiar to Pedego. Why did they choose that name???
They were at innerbike with a gigantic booth...and they seem to pretend to be bigger than what they are.
Its hard to get product out of them. They always seem to be waiting for product to arrive.
They claim to have a network of dealers, but I have not seen a single one in Cailifornia and most of their sales seem to be direct from florida.
I remember the owner came on here a while back and said he keeps his costs down by assembling his bikes in USA (parts are all still made in China). He says this way they save the high exporting cost when you bring in an entire ebike from china. It turns out the opposite is true. Exporting an assembled ebike from china into the US is free duty and taxes wise. You get knocked when you import the pieces, which is what Predeco does.
Just calling your bikes made in USA because they are assembled here is Fishy. Not a single component on that bike is made in USA. How do we know they are actually assembled here and the videos of their factory etc are real?
I have heard rumors about Predeco i wont perpetuate here...but something def smells fishy.
They oftentimes post spam here and other places pretending to be happy customers. I am not saying this is the case here with this OP...but they have def been guilty of this many times before. If you look at the OP's post history, the only time he posts is when talking about Predeco products...you could see why someone would suspect him.
Just their name is weird...very similiar to Pedego. Why did they choose that name???
They were at innerbike with a gigantic booth...and they seem to pretend to be bigger than what they are.
Its hard to get product out of them. They always seem to be waiting for product to arrive.
They claim to have a network of dealers, but I have not seen a single one in Cailifornia and most of their sales seem to be direct from florida.
I remember the owner came on here a while back and said he keeps his costs down by assembling his bikes in USA (parts are all still made in China). He says this way they save the high exporting cost when you bring in an entire ebike from china. It turns out the opposite is true. Exporting an assembled ebike from china into the US is free duty and taxes wise. You get knocked when you import the pieces, which is what Predeco does.
Just calling your bikes made in USA because they are assembled here is Fishy. Not a single component on that bike is made in USA. How do we know they are actually assembled here and the videos of their factory etc are real?
I have heard rumors about Predeco i wont perpetuate here...but something def smells fishy.
Chalo
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I see more Prodeco bikes than any other single kind of OEM e-bike, because there is a dealer near where I live. There's nothing exciting about them from what I can tell, but overall they seem less disgraceful than most complete e-bikes.
Islandsoon
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Here in western Wisconsin, the local dealer for Prodeco complains of slow delivery, but he gets bikes. I bought a different brand from this dealer, but the Prodeco seemed like a decent choice. Rode well. (Stride white 500) with what seemed like a good battery.
miro13car
100 kW
Write here and show us pictures once you reach 10,000 miles on this ebike as I documented with my ebike
But I seriously doubt
Battery and motor on the back- law physics you cannot cheat
But I seriously doubt
Battery and motor on the back- law physics you cannot cheat
