Re: Street LEGAL Custom Bomber build! :-)

Wow,

Machining, electronics, riding, photography, videography, DJ, video editing... what don't you do!? Are you sure your name isn't Tony Stark? I think Ironman would be a better moniker for you.

That beast is incredible. You should be very proud as there very few people on this planet that could do all that work you did by yourself to create that machine.


Congratulations!
Jetman


Jetman: "You could be my wingman anyday"
Dlogic: "Bullshit, you could be mine."
Ha!
 
Hey Jetman, thanks for you charming words. :) I´m no superhero though. There´s others on this forum that are way ahead of my knowledge.

Today my build was presented to the German TÜV. Lights, blinkers and a self retracting kickstand will be added. With a bit of luck they´ll legalize this machine. That means a license plate will be fixed to the bikes rear making it street legal.

Just hope they don´t find anything that will stop this process.
 
Dlogic said:
Hey Jetman, thanks for you charming words. :) I´m no superhero though. There´s others on this forum that are way ahead of my knowledge.

Today my build was presented to the German TÜV. Lights, blinkers and a self retracting kickstand will be added. With a bit of luck they´ll legalize this machine. That means a license plate will be fixed to the bikes rear making it street legal.

Just hope they don´t find anything that will stop this process.
Where can i learn to machine? did you learn from books? i want to learn but lessons here are like a couple of hundred USD to a couple of thousands. and i doubt you'd even learn that much in those classes? What machining tools do you use and how much they cost? i wanna learn to build a build a bike but don't know how to start learning and practicing
 
Ever since i was a kid building stuff was my favorite way to spend time. My parents did suffer a lot during these days. As soon as they left home everything that caught my interest was taken apart to find out how it works. Well, obviously some of these items afterwards could be considered dead.
Mechanics is my world. I have a hard time grasping and calculating electronic stuff. But thanks to this forum and the gurus here the electric part of my build turned out right. No lipo fires so far! :mrgreen:
In Germany learning a profession is free! Whats even better they pay you for doing so. All the big companies here are interested in educating the young. They do so to have a constant and reliable supply of new workers. After all there´s always people that leave work to enjoy their pension.
So in roughly 4 years i had to learn mechanics in theory and while doing so also fabricate all the stuff designed. We started with a simple hammer we had to file out of a solid block of steel. Then cutting, bending and welding sheeted steel was next on the agenda. How a lathe and mill worked was another year of learning. In the end we built a 2 stroke model engine with 7,4 ccm. That was my exam after 4 years. All the drawings, calculations and finally the fabrication had to be mastered.
The company that i´ve been working for 17 years now let´s me do all this every day. Not everything turns out right on the first attempt, but every time i fail my experience grows. Perfection will never be reached of course, but that´s what makes it so much fun. The daily attempt to get just a little bit further ahead. :)
 
Dlogic said:
Today my build was presented to the German TÜV. Lights, blinkers and a self retracting kickstand will be added. With a bit of luck they´ll legalize this machine. That means a license plate will be fixed to the bikes rear making it street legal.

Just hope they don´t find anything that will stop this process.

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You would be the first in Germany with a e-bike self build and getting street legal registration.
For what type you want it be registered ? 45km/h 4kw e-bike no pedal forced ?
What tires do you have?

From what i have read till now. Its basically impossible to get registration for a e-bike selfbuild based on a DH or MTB frame. same for the stealth frames they too have no approval.
You would be requiered to let test this frame and this is very expensive >7000€ i guess. its basically prohibated. costs are higher than getting catched by popo
Or is all this wrong please correct me if.
 
The TÜV engineers told me that there´s no need to x ray or recalculate the frame as long as it´s registered as a moped. So far it´s all in a very early state. As soon as i have more details they will be posted here. :)

Registering the bike as a motorcycle is another world though. Electromagnetic testing will be done. The frame will be inspected and recalculated by a qualified engineer. All welding has to be done by a professional welder with years of experience. Using bicycle tires like i did is not allowed either. So.....


.... it´s better and safer to register it as a moped. They have all my data now and will hopefully contact me soon. I did promise them not to mention any names here. :)
 
Dlogic said:
Ever since i was a kid building stuff was my favorite way to spend time. My parents did suffer a lot during these days. As soon as they left home everything that caught my interest was taken apart to find out how it works. Well, obviously some of these items afterwards could be considered dead.
Mechanics is my world. I have a hard time grasping and calculating electronic stuff. But thanks to this forum and the gurus here the electric part of my build turned out right. No lipo fires so far! :mrgreen:
In Germany learning a profession is free! Whats even better they pay you for doing so. All the big companies here are interested in educating the young. They do so to have a constant and reliable supply of new workers. After all there´s always people that leave work to enjoy their pension.
So in roughly 4 years i had to learn mechanics in theory and while doing so also fabricate all the stuff designed. We started with a simple hammer we had to file out of a solid block of steel. Then cutting, bending and welding sheeted steel was next on the agenda. How a lathe and mill worked was another year of learning. In the end we built a 2 stroke model engine with 7,4 ccm. That was my exam after 4 years. All the drawings, calculations and finally the fabrication had to be mastered.
The company that i´ve been working for 17 years now let´s me do all this every day. Not everything turns out right on the first attempt, but every time i fail my experience grows. Perfection will never be reached of course, but that´s what makes it so much fun. The daily attempt to get just a little bit further ahead. :)
Really, free in germany? :(. anyway i grew up poor and lived in a cramped NYC apartment with 7 people. So i didn't have much to experiment and learn from :(. I got my first laptop in high school when i started working in the flea market and making some money. Can't blame anyone though, it's just how it is. Sometimes you get lucky and you're born a paris hilton, other times you're not.

The 4 year program you learned as a mechanics was free and paid by government or a company? Right now i'm trying to learn some metal works and wood work but it's really hard when you live in an NYC apartment with no garage. Some of the metal works classes offer a 2 hour intro class for $450. it's a rip off if you ask me.
 
All the big companies pay you to learn a profession and there´s no obligation to work for them once done. Most people do so anyways. After all you get to know many people in the company and if you feel comfortable then why leave?
I don´t know though if the government gives some money here. It´s a wonderful system but might be considered too close to socialism by others. :)
But that´s another topic.
 
I always read on the internet that a registration of such a vehicle is impossible in Germany.
If you succeed, you will become some kind of a hero. Many will follow you, including me :D
 
Let´s just sit back and wait. It´s way to early yet. I´m sure they´ll find something to refuse me a license. But someone has to give it a try.

All the german forums, especially the dreaded " Pedelec Forum ", are full of self made experts.
Guess what, they call this forum " Endless fear ". Those cowards, what good is it to discuss some boring 250 watt drive drain. That´s technology of the past. This forum kicks ass and takes e-biking to the next level. Showing of some lame legal build is just a waste of time.
These people appear to be spending all day long telling others what to do.
Germans are world champions when it comes to pointing with ones fingers at others.
The vast majority is just to afraid to go out there and try something new.
It´s like DH-Paule said yesterday when we met. When the first mountain bikes came up all the german hikers could do is moan and complain. Sure, they just couldn't accept others that had a blast riding around the trails.
Yes, they just can´t grudge others anything!!
Today mountain bikes are everywhere and have found acceptance.
I bet in a few years e-bikes will be an everday sight. :)
 
i feel lucky in my country we do not have laws about ebike so i can ride 50mph smiling to the police looool
 
:mrgreen:

fuckin pedelec forum....*LOL

omg your driving 251w ....iam not sure about your frame...maybe it will brake... because no engineer has proofed this extra power ^^
thats germany....

*subscribed* ;P



...und deine Steckachsen Aktion solltest du als (kleine)Serie anbieten. Dann kann ich mir endlich mal n anständigen Rahmen kaufen ;)
 
Lol, that's so funny! :p

Take that you boring and totally unnecessary Pedelecforum. ( Don´t take me too serious though! )

Usless Pedal: Hi, my stock 250 motor is a bit weak. I'm planning to run it at roughly 700 watts. Will my bike take this much power without melting?

Hyper Expert: Are you out of your mind, you could easily break the sound barrier with such a setup.

Administrator: Hey, this is illegal, you will now be banned from this forum for life!


So as the story continues our usless pedal guy found this forum, dumped his bike and started a new build.
He didn't just brake the sound barrier, no, some extraterrestrial intelligence stole his ideas and is now preparing to introduce this clean, fast and effective way of transport on their own planet.
 
LOL :D

In Germany do you have a list of requirements or checklist a moped must comply with for legalization?
 
Dlogic said:
Let´s just sit back and wait. It´s way to early yet. I´m sure they´l find something to refuse me a license. But someone has to give it a try.

All the german forums, especially the dreaded " Pedelec Forum ", are full of self made experts.
Guess what, they call this forum " Endless fear ". Those cowards, what good is it to discuss some boring 250 watt drive drain. That´s technology of the past. This forum kicks ass and takes e-biking to the next level. Showing of some lame legal build is just a waste of time.
These people appear to be spending all day long telling others what to do.
Germans are world champions when it comes to pointing with ones fingers at others.
The vast majority is just to afraid to go out there and try something new.
It´s like DH-Paule said yesterday when we met. When the first mountain bikes came up all the german hikers could do is moan and complain. Sure, they just couldn't accept others that had a blast riding around the trails.
Yes, they just can´t grudge others anything!!
Today mountain bikes are everywhere and have found acceptance.
I bet in a few years e-bikes will be an everday sight. :)

Hi Dlogic,

like very much your statement from the Germany pedelec Forum.

Your building and the Video are great. I love your very big battery and your charger setup. In the meantime i have fond now a bigger motor then my NC-2805 and a e-Bike with +5000W is great to drive especially off-road.

-is your 5403 motor still ok, and how is the temperature issue, now we have here in Germany good while cold temperature, but I have broken one H4080 in the hot summer time
 
*already subscribed ^^
Yeah pedelec-forum is.. well "different" ;)
Happy to see German fellows hitting the nail on the ES :D
I think you won't have much problems with the TÜV, we have here in Regensburg a bunch of PG bikes with plates... If they did it.. you will :)
Nice build, nice state of mind.. Weiter so!!
Da grüß,
H.
 
My X5 motor is still ok. On another build one of the HS motors was burned out. The X5 takes a lot of abuse due to it's sheer mass. But once heated you have to be careful. The 8,7 kw it is run with are too much. But for about 20 to 30 minutes, depending on the terrain, it takes the power without any issues! :)

I've received a shipment of blinkers, head and taillights plus all the necessary buttons to fit on the handlebars. All this will be installed in the next days. The TÜV doesent force me to put all this one the bike, but it sure is the safer way to ride in traffic.

My nanotechs are going strong. When riding under 40 km/h, the range is about 110 - 120 km. :mrgreen:
 
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