Leeleeducati
100 W
Motor looks like a beast! I have the 160 short, I could only imagine the power the full width will produce. Hopefully we see the performance bar raised with these builds.
Revolt new motor RV 160 Pro
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Karolis
10 W
We will see. Currently I just want to make it spin.
John in CR
100 TW
For those who are interested I got the details of the stators of the two 160's from Alexey.
The motors have 14 magnets, 12 slots.
The stator diameter is 151mm.
The laminations are 0.3mm.
The regular version is 45mm stack and the short is 22.5mm stack.
The halls are at 120 degree.
The winding wires are: regular version: 5mm^2, short version: 3mm^2. we can change according to request based on the KV value.
Normally we use delta termination - than the wires after the connection are 10mm^2 for the regular and 6mm^2 for the short.
The output wires are 12mm^2 for both.
The stock motors are 45KV but we can wind to different KV (no extra cost).
I forgot to get the phase-to-phase resistance, but I'll ask. I need some smaller motors for upcoming projects than the 6 phase motors I normally, so I plan to order a couple.
John
The motors have 14 magnets, 12 slots.
The stator diameter is 151mm.
The laminations are 0.3mm.
The regular version is 45mm stack and the short is 22.5mm stack.
The halls are at 120 degree.
The winding wires are: regular version: 5mm^2, short version: 3mm^2. we can change according to request based on the KV value.
Normally we use delta termination - than the wires after the connection are 10mm^2 for the regular and 6mm^2 for the short.
The output wires are 12mm^2 for both.
The stock motors are 45KV but we can wind to different KV (no extra cost).
I forgot to get the phase-to-phase resistance, but I'll ask. I need some smaller motors for upcoming projects than the 6 phase motors I normally, so I plan to order a couple.
John
speedmd
10 MW
Great news John. Happy to see someone like yourself is taking a few to put the screws to them. 
Hopefully you come up with some excellent controller options that are economical also.
Hopefully you come up with some excellent controller options that are economical also.
Karolis
10 W
yesterday I tried to connect the motor to my older ebike system for a free spin. It is 20S5P A123 26650 pack, some controller, maybe ~140 Battery amps. 120% throttle. The motor spins. Tomorrow i will try to get tacho for rpm measurement. The controller is slow ramp up cause i don't get brutal torque, no jerk when fast start. It is more like car engine quick to top rpm. I remember on my bike this controller behaved familiar to this, it was smooth, acceleration, you sometimes do wheelies at acceleration even not noticing it is happening. Another thing the motor gets a little warm even in free spin. So there is some losses. Didn't measured the current cause i haven't tool to measure it.
crossbreak
1 MW
interesting. so the short RV160 has the same lams and stack as the MAC geared hub motor, while the MAC has a slightly smaller 135mm dia stator. it will be interesting to compare Km² and no load figures
as the stator is 11% smaller, i'm keen to see if Km will be 11% smaller, too. The MAC is 11% less motor, but has a completely different pole count (36n32p)
just for comparison: The MAC motor assembly has an axial length of only 40mm, a quite well thought through package
the coil wire is 4x 1.2mm in dia for the 6T. So this is 4*.6²*π= 7.5 mm² at 29.5mOhms phase to phase resistance at the coils, but KV is higher (~62 KV) so this is not directly comparable. I will add more info about this comparison there: https://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=65757&start=200#p1072800
as the stator is 11% smaller, i'm keen to see if Km will be 11% smaller, too. The MAC is 11% less motor, but has a completely different pole count (36n32p)
just for comparison: The MAC motor assembly has an axial length of only 40mm, a quite well thought through package
the coil wire is 4x 1.2mm in dia for the 6T. So this is 4*.6²*π= 7.5 mm² at 29.5mOhms phase to phase resistance at the coils, but KV is higher (~62 KV) so this is not directly comparable. I will add more info about this comparison there: https://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=65757&start=200#p1072800
John in CR said:
Karolis
10 W
Today measured free spin rpm. 3200 rpm at 20s5p A123 26650 configuration with no name controller 120% throttle.
crossbreak
1 MW
thx for the effort, Karolis. but this is worth nothing without knowing the exact battery voltage during measurement. Do you own two multimeters to measure no load current and battery voltage at the same time? this would be a lot of value.
Grimm
100 µW
I would really like to know what the torque rating is for the 160 pro. I might try emailing Revolt about it and post whatever they tell me.
Jozzer
100 kW
I was told - "The KT of he 45KV motor is about 30(oz-in/amp)."
I've got one here for testing (53kv), it might take me a couple of weeks to get my dyno set up properly (and dial in the Sevcon controller) but I'll post some results when I can..
-Steve
I've got one here for testing (53kv), it might take me a couple of weeks to get my dyno set up properly (and dial in the Sevcon controller) but I'll post some results when I can..
-Steve
Jozzer
100 kW
Hi Miles, all good here thanks, I'm always happy when playing with a dyno, especially when it starts to get cold outside! Hope you're well and happy. We must catch up soon..
Do you want no load current measured motorside or batteryside?
My RCL meter said that phase to phase resistance was 8 Ohms - I tired everything short of banging it on the table but that's the only reading I got! I'll try again tomorrow, that can't be right..
Inductance is 39.7 @ 100kHz.
Do you want no load current measured motorside or batteryside?
My RCL meter said that phase to phase resistance was 8 Ohms - I tired everything short of banging it on the table but that's the only reading I got! I'll try again tomorrow, that can't be right..
Inductance is 39.7 @ 100kHz.
Grimm
100 µW
thanks guys, that info is helpful, i was told by Revolt that they haven't finished the testing and graphs for the new motors yet.
but its a baseline that i can use to get a rough estimate of the power this thing has.
but its a baseline that i can use to get a rough estimate of the power this thing has.
Is there website down? i'am trying to look on there website but it gives a error.
http://www.revolt.org.il/
Greetings Dennis
http://www.revolt.org.il/
Greetings Dennis
crossbreak
1 MW
Miles said:
Battery side is fine, too. as long as you measure battery voltage and the rpm at the same time.
Grimm
100 µW
meeki said:
it looks to be under construction. some items are on it, but not a functioning site for sure.
Dauntless
100 TW
It used to be a complete working site. Links to particular pages aren't working right, either. They can't be selling motors like this, that speaks volumes to me. But we'll see.
sn0wchyld
100 kW
they're rebuilding by the looks. I dont think its a big crowd, like adaptto in the early days.Dauntless said:
macribs
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Seems the rebuild removed the sizing of the Rv 160 Pro. If you look at the Rv 160 short they have an image with measurements for the motor. I think there was also one of those for the 160 Pro, but it ain't on the web no more. Anyone got a copy of that image they could post here in the thread?
I can't remember anyone doing a Rv 160 Pro build yet. AFAIK there are only 120, and 160 short builds around.
I wonder who will have the first 160 Pro bike ready? They will surely have 8 kilos of pure fun.
I can't remember anyone doing a Rv 160 Pro build yet. AFAIK there are only 120, and 160 short builds around.
I wonder who will have the first 160 Pro bike ready? They will surely have 8 kilos of pure fun.
