Stirling Engine with Campfire for RegenEbike

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I was thinking that if you had a small Stirling Engine, or Steam Engine, you could recharge your battery from a campfire somehow, directly through a regen ebike wheel coupled to the Stirling engine output. Does this make any sense? I think there would be lots of wood energy around in many locations along a bike route. I like my wood campstove too!
 
It would be impractical to carry a large enough sterling generator to actually put out any power. The system would be terribly inefficent.
 
With a camp fire you could probably run a nice little steam engine. Not efficient but if the fire is burning anyway, you're not really concerned with that. A solid state thermoelectric generator may be feasible (and very high tech). You can get Peltier devices pretty cheap from surplus places. You would just need to figure out a way to keep them from getting too hot- they have a maximum temp on the hot side.
 
TEC's would be a possible option, but you would need a insanely huge rig to charge a ebike. Ive been messing with thermoelectric coolers off and on for years. They WILL work for this purpose, but not that well. It wouldnt be a small and portable rig you can strap on your bike. You want to get one side as hot as possible and the other as cold as possible to generate the largest potential difference possible. They of course do have max temp limits, but that wouldnt really be a huge concern. You would want a large aluminum plate at least 1" thick with the biggest TEC's you can find smashed inbetween. Air cooling this over a campfire wont be a very good option. You would want to make a cheap and dirty very large liquid cooled aluminum plate, probably 2" thick. I would imagine this would need to be about 12" x 12" to put out the power you would want. As soon as you place it over the fire it will make a bunch of power, rapidly heat soak the hot side, and put off very little. You would want to pump the scalding hot coolant into a small radiator, a large computer radiator would work fine.

Its entirely possible, and not THAT expensive. You could probably do it for $100-200 or so, but it would be a somewhat large and heavy setup. I would imagine you could get a few amps into a 48V pack without much of a issue if you keep the cold side cold and the hot side hot.
 
So what else would work well in this situation? A very small (hobby type) piston steam engine maybe? Or would a small steam turbine gen be practical to build?
 
I found this link, and it's a pretty detailed account of a large scale home-made steam engine/generator. http://www.otherpower.com/steamengine.shtml

They have gotten up to 3kw out of theirs. I'm sure you could make something to produce a few amps over a campfire.

Bob
 
For a while, I was interested in steam engines as a hobby. I'll go ahead and tell you that the cost of a quality engine will greatly outweigh any benefits that you gain; you'll be much better off using a thermoelectric device to generate power.

Model steam engines basically come in two categories: Toy level and hobby level. The toy level engines are neat to look at and to run, but don't put out much power. The hobby level engines put out a fair amount of power, but have to be fired with higher temperature fuels (Butane, alchohol, or at the very least sterno jelly) to even produce a head of steam and start around the $500+ range. Not to mention the cost and upkeep; small steam engines are heavy, inefficient (Don't read the high efficiency claims on wikipedia and believe them; the engines in question are less than 10 percent efficient), and require alot of maintainance. You have to oil the cylinder every run with motor oil, and you also have to use distilled water to prevent mineral buildup which will clog the lines.

I don't mean to discourage you, I think it'd be a neat thing to do, but throughout my span in the hobby, it was hard to even generate enough power for a flashlight bulb with a high end (dollar) generator. The energy exerted to carry the engine, oil, and distilled water along with the time it would take to maintain and setup would greatly outweigh the amount of energy produced even with one of the fuels I mentioned.
 
Or you you could build a "wood gassifier" and channel the gas to an internal combustion engine, it would be easier than a steam set-up. Or you could build a "minto wheel" and gear it up to turn a generator. There are alot of cool alternative energy sites out there...good thread
 
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