SUBARU and the "R1e"

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http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/ap/fn/5636024.html

Nice to see this from Subaru.

Hope we can get our hands on them soon.


I'd much rather put my money on this than the Chevy Volt (as it stands today)
 
Here's a pic
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Hi res:
http://www.smugmug.com/photos/134173561-O.jpg
 
Having chargers not built into ev's seems retarded to me.

I like that car tho, looks like a 3door echo/vitz instead of the usual clown car thing.
 
I have a feeling the charger size is a bit exaggerated. Mainly to look like what you would see at a charging station perhaps (like a gas station but with electricity instead of gas). I have been in contact with Subaru every since they said they were going to do this and when they start to do trials here in the US, I'm on the list of "testers" so it will be fun if they decide here soon. :mrgreen:

Of course the NDA is a mile long, so the most I could post up here would maybe be some pictures and general stuff like "I got 100 miles on the last charge", but nothing like what kind of power controller it uses or exactly what kind of chemistry batteries for example. :(
 
knightmb said:
I have a feeling the charger size is a bit exaggerated.

Actually, that charger looks about the right size for a 15min charger for a car battery. Assuming a 30Kwh battery pack, (~100mile range for an "average" car) a 15min charge implies that the charger is able to put out 120Kw. Further assuming that the R1e uses lithium batteries, the charger likely needs to ouput 20% to 30% more peak power than that because the charge current for lithium batteries tapers off as they near the end of a charge. (144Kw to 156Kw)

So what kind of plug would this need? Assuming USA's electrical system and an electric stove or welding socket is used, (240vac) the 120Kw minimum power would require 500A service, not that practical. More likely this charger will require 480vac 3-phase which is commonly used for running industrial loads. In this case it would only require ~144A, not too bad. (3-phase makes power = Volts * amps * (square root of 3) )

With all this I HOPE this car also comes with a built-in slow charger that can plug into a standard 120vac 15A outlet. Otherwise, recharging could be kind of hard :roll: .

Other than that, this looks like a rather nice car. Something I would certainly consider when I replace my mini-van.

Marty
 
From what they told me, it will do both and then some. A port to plug into your 110V @ 15AMP outlet, another port for the 220V @ 50AMP outlet (stove, dryer, etc) and then that last port for the Lots of Volts @ Lots of Amps port :mrgreen:
 
I unfortunately am under the opinion that you can't buy this car. It's all "greenwashing". Such EVs will continue to run on the fuel of Press Releases for a long time.

Who does not want EV’s in our driveways:
-Legacy Automakers, because they, and their dealer networks do not earn enough revenue by selling cars. A look at how large their service departments are (and our out-of-wallet experience with them) shows what’s at stake revenue-wise because EV’s never need service beyond tire changes. EV’s don’t even need brake jobs due to electronic regenerative braking that does most of the work. Their ordinary friction brake pads and rotors thus last the life of the car (as shown on the Toyota electric Rav4).
The large established car companies depend on their service department, like printer companies depend on sales of ink cartridges. So why did Toyota sell the Rav4 instead of leasing and crushing as GM did with the EV1? It’s a mystery, but I came across a blog that mentioned that a Toyota exec at a public speech mistakenly said that the cars would be sold, and so to save face, Toyota reluctantly sold the Rav4. Buyers, however, now post on blogs that they actually had difficulty in getting the Toyota dealer to sell them an electric Rav4 and that they were highly pressured to instead buy a Gas Toyota or a Prius.
-Oil companies, for obvious reasons. Note they are also major stockholders in auto companies and thus probably have influence over their board of directors.
Business firms exist to make profits, but profits are going to be reduced if EV’s replace the ICE car. Much of our economy is based on the automobile, and its upkeep. Almost every business is related in some way to the car. What will happen to employment if the need to service a car is practically eliminated?
What happens to Midas, Pepboys, Kragen’s, smog check, AMCO, gas stations, Jiffylube, general service repair centers, the manufacturing plants that fabricate repair parts, the UPS people that deliver the parts, the corner deli or Taco Bells frequented by those firm’s workers at lunchtime? What about government agencies that depend on collecting all manner of tax revenue from the above interlinked economy?
If people understand this scenario, then they will understand why they can’t yet buy an EV from the legacy business infrastructure. Only recently can one sniff the scent of a potential EV from start-up EV manufacturers like Tesla (too costly for mass production partly because they hand-solder a battery pack of 6000 Lithium AA sized cells together in series-parallel groups), Aptera, and even the tiny BugE, etc., because a startup company does not need to address the risk that a service-free vehicle will parasitically affect revenue from other parts of its company. And startups probably are not in business relations with oil companies either. One interesting emerging EV contender is the Chinese and their unstoppable manufacturing base. Google the “Miles EV” and “Thunder Sky” Lithium battery (which can replace the suppressed NiMH battery. Google “95 AH Large Format NiMH battery” to see that a 30 million dollar lawsuit dismantled the Panasonic plant that built these batteries that gave the Toyota Rav4 EV more than 100 miles of highway speed range- 10 years ago). The Chinese don’t have any obligations to any western business or oil cartel. Although they are importing oil at increasing rates, I think they are taking steps to limit dependency on oil by mass producing EVs. A $4000 Lithium powered highway speed scooter motorcycle just appeared from China: the “XM-3500Li” You can buy it now online.
Curiously, Nissan’s CEO has advocated a pure EV but I have a hard time believing he really will build one and that the announcement is mostly PR “green washing” in nature. After all, Nissan has service centers, too.
 
Well written and oh so true.... if only more people could be educated about these facts. Capitalist consumerism will destroy this planet slowly but surely.
 
And here's a dealer for that scooter that Puppyjump mentioned:
http://www.eco-wheelz.com/catalog/xtreme-xm3500li-luxury-moped-p-47.php
 
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