Tommm said:
The test is a generic square wave vs generic FOC controller using the same amps. For the sur ron, of course it feels more powerful, they also raised the amp limit by ~13% in the FOC version. (Though people write here they might have reduced it for new bikes made since.)
I thought you were trying to say that the X Controller was only 3-5% more powerful than the square wave controller.
Offroader said:
If you guys live in an area where you can ride around with a gas dirtbike, then you are better off using gas over electric at this point in time. If you live someplace where you can't use gas then the Sur-Ron is the best alternative.
Sorry, but I don’t agree at all. What is best for one person is not necessarily for another.
I live a 10-minute drive from a town of 300. I could easily ride a super loud gas beast around here. But that is not at all what I want. The roads/trails are so twisty and rough around here that I can already go way faster than anyone should. There really is no benefit to going to a significantly more powerful machine. I can keep up with pretty much anything in these conditions. The tight turns, loose packs, dips, and bumps, etc. makes it pointless to be in a different class than the Sur Ron. In other words, the Sur Ron is pretty much ideally suited for what I have available to ride.
What is the benefit of a smelly, polluting, noisy, heavier ICE? I see none. With the Sur Ron, I am way less likely to break an ankle, more nimble and playful, maintenance is practically non-existent, I don’t have to buy gas, it is much less expensive to run, it is emissions-free, practically silent compared to an ICE so it causes minimal disturbance to the wildlife (not to mention much more pleasurable). And it can keep up with any practically any alternatives.
Grantmac said:
So yeah, I'll definitely compare ICE to electric directly when I can use either one.
You’re completely missing the point of why I asked what comparable alternatives are instead you resort to comparing a new electric bike to a used ICE bike. Not even apples to oranges.
You seemed to think that Sur Ron was being greedy by not offering an 8KW bike for the same price as the 4KW bike they sell. If they did offer an 8KW version for the same price, they likely wouldn’t be making anything, in which case, what is the point of being in business?
I would guess in 3-5 years from now, an 8KW version will be available at about the same point. But today for electric, it’s pretty much state of the art for the money.
Grantmac said:
Around here you'd be just as legal with a Sur-Ron or motorcycle. The only way electric has more access is if it can pass for a bicycle.
Are you sure about that? What country do you live in? It seems in most places it is considered a moped in EP mode even without pedals. In much of the USA, mopeds don’t need registration and can ride in bike lanes.
Grantmac said:
I think people like me who are used to motorcycles will be terribly disappointed in the power of the Sur-Ron.
I disagree. Again, from someone who grew up riding said after his first ride that he would gladly sell his 250cc bike to get a Sur Ron. I think without having actually ridden it, you really have no idea what you are talking about.