Suzuki RG250F Gamma conversion

He put in a 2:06 flying lap in the video, which is close to his best during the whole weekend (2:07). Still 20 seconds per lap faster than me :cry: I live in hope the lower gearing will get me out of corners quicker. It really felt slow out of a turn, but really picked up once it was not working so hard. I might splurge on some sticky boots too ($450 worth :x ). Some kind of vaporising cooling system would be really helpful too...
 
From the video, that looks like a pretty flowing track. I think if you can get sticky tires, you should be able to carry a lot of corner speed at that track. You should be able to drop a lot of that 20 seconds just with that. For a track like that, I wouldn't rush the corners so hard with a lot of last minute braking. Get on the brakes a little earlier, but not as hard. Get off the brakes a little earlier, and get on the throttle a little earlier and carry that speed through the corner. That way you don't need as much grunt at the exit of the corner. A little more speed at the beginning of the straight turns into a LOT more speed at the end of the straight.
I don't know about your exact riding style, and I don't mean to be insulting in any way. I don't mean to say that you are not doing these things, but rather just saying that looking at the way this track is laid out, these steps might make an improvement. When you are talking about 20 seconds per lap, it just takes a few little things like this each corner to cut a lot of time.
 
Jay - totally agree. I think my bike is a competitive machine, the limitation really is the rider. And, while I could get a fast rider to ride it for me, there's a certain amount of pride associated with riding the bike you built. That said, I might try to get one of the factory Yamaha kids to ride it on Friday practice to see if they can steer it, no doubt a bit quicker than me. As for the tyres, they are an odd-ball size so sticky boots aren't super easy to get these days (18" rear). Eastern Creek has lots of flowing turns, and most of the radii are fairly close. The next circuit, Winton raceway is a bit different with more tight turns and few straights. When doing the clubmans circuit, the superstock guys just stay in 2nd gear :lol: The 'Creek, Winton and Wakefield are all new circuits to me, so I have a lot of learning to do.

Map here:
http://www.wintonmotorraceway.com.au/home/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=12&Itemid=27

The lower gearing will definitely help exiting corners. And even if the tyres are all in my head, whatever helps, will help.
 
jonescg said:
And, while I could get a fast rider to ride it for me, there's a certain amount of pride associated with riding the bike you built.

I agree 100%. And that is why I was giving you some pointers for you riding it, rather than telling you to go get a faster rider. I have seen the work and dedication you have put into building this bike. I may not be able to contribute a whole lot to this site in the technical electrical stuff, but when it comes to riding, that is some place that I can give some help. I have raced for many years and have helped a lot of guys drop their lap times. I would really like to see you ripping that bike around the track. Again, I'm not trying to impose anything, but I really would like to be able to give back, and this is one area that I can.
Even on a tighter track, I think a lot of what I was saying before is useful, especially on an EV bike. You want to keep your momentum up as much as possible in general, but since the drive is what kills so much of your battery life, it is even more important on an EV. Tires and suspension are important. You want to be able to put that power that you do have to the ground.
A lot of times when you are hard on the brakes, the bike feels slightly out of control, like you are going too fast. But then when you let go of the brakes and get on the throttle, you feel like you could be going faster. Being on the brakes causes this sensation. It makes it harder to turn the bike, so you feel like you need to slow down even more. But most of the times, if you just let go of the brakes and throw it in, it works fine. When you are on the brakes all of your momentum gets pushed into your front forks. This gives little room for movement to absorb the bumps and stuff when you are turning the bike in. The moment you let go of your brakes, you have a slight backwards movement which unsettles the bike. Ideally, as much as possible, you want to get all of this forward and backwards movement out of the way to let your bike settle back down so that you have more of your suspension available for absorbing the track during the turn. This lets you take the turn a lot faster than it feel like you can when you rush supper deep in the corners. Try to get back on the throttle earlier and harder. Whenever I used to complain about needing more power to get out of the corners better, my crew chief would always ask if I was spinning the tire yet. If I said no, then he would remind me that I wasn't using all of the power yet, so why should he give me more. Get on it sooner and harder, was always his answer.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying to wuss out on the brakes, just don't be jabbing on them at the last minute. It is usually faster to find a brake marker where you can smoothly enter the turn and get back on the throttel sooner, and then slowly push that brake marker deeper while staying in control. As opposed to going in supper deep on the brakes and being out of control, and then trying to get on the throttle sooner. You will feel more comfortable the first way, and it is always easier to push harder when you are comfortable rather than feeling like you are already at the limit.
Again, I'm not trying to impose anything, I just want to help where I can. Best of luck with that.
 
Pair of matched motors are on their way!!!

Big thanks to Jozzer for making things happen :D You will no doubt be hearing from us over the course of the weekend :mrgreen:

Roland offered to make a decent fibreglass tank cover for me, since I can't glass to save my life, and I hate it. Should look and feel a lot better than the polycarbonate crap I have on there now. Next step is to get the tail piece done :)

YAY!

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Nice.
 
Woohoo! Race entry fee partly paid for, but at least I'm on the door list. I also managed to fit the new fibreglass tank cover in my backpack along with a giant 54 tooth sprocket and a current clamp.

I'll ride the Blackbird to the airport and leave it in long-term parking (discount ticket hehehe). Too bad the backpack is going to kill my already painful back :( I injured it while digging lime into my garden. Hopefully it won't twinge up on me mid turn.


SO: New lower gearing, controller set to 60% output, new fast charging system, new good looking tank cover and a new racetrack! Things are getting exciting!

Will keep you all posted as best I can, but being non-metropolitan Australia, Internet connections range from nothing to dial-up.

CHRIS
 
Hey Chris, and everyone else on this forum,

Firstly good luck Chris and Voltron for this coming weekend :D

Secondly, I will be coming on the Sunday to Winton, is it possible to get in and chat to all you guys? I' am really interested in making my own and would love a chance to see how you guys did it.

Hopefully Melbourne can get its act together and bring out the sunshine :mrgreen:

Regards,

Nick
 
Absolutely! They normally put all three electrics together in the same pit garage. Fingers crossed the motors will be in Canberra tomorrow.
 
Great!

Well I'll definitely will be there, and would be more than happy lending a hand.
 
Apparently the motors were posted last Wednesday, so they might be there already!

Good luck guys!

Jozz
 
Botany, Australia 08/30/2011 4:02 P.M. Released by Clearing Agency. Now in-transit for delivery.


OK Hopefully in town... :?
 
Tony (SplinterOz) has Voltron the electric RG at the Canberra EV festival today. They have a small closed off circuit in town where a few EVs, including a Tesla Roadster are doing some 0-100 runs. He phoned me this morning to say Voltron (with Splinter on it) was keeping up with the Roadster :mrgreen:

Yeah, motorbikes frocking rock! :twisted:
 
So what happened is we had a couple of the local Motorcycle cops rock up and one pulled out the radar gun. The top speed of the Tesla with sport pack (big brakes better tyres) was 97Km/h. So I gave it a spin.

... 97km/h for the Voltron!.

I did a straight drag against the Telsa later when I had already pulled about 12ah out of the battery. The Tesla is quicker of the line... however due to the better brakes on the bike I was breaking later and getting as high a top speed. So "almost" as quick as a Tesla.

Hell of a lot more fun!

Only used 22ah over the whole day.
 
Awesome :) Although I'd say the brakes on the car would have stopped them quicker than those on my bike. They probably backed off sooner than you; nice one Tony ;)

Still, it's amazing what a $17,000 shed-built POS electric motorbike can do compared to a $200,000 factory built sports car.
 
Voltron is finally in my hands. Only just :( BHF couriers quoted me $1100 to move it from Tony's place in Canberra to Perth. It was cheaper than the $1400 I was quoted from elsewhere, so I clenched my teeth and paid it. Despite being told multiple times it will be picked up ASAP, it took a full 9 days for them to come and move it. Tony had no option but to park outside the whole time cause it was blocking his driveway :x

So after another two weeks I keep phoning the company asking where the hell is my crated bike? Oh, it will be there tomorrow I always hear. Turns out it was delivered to Kalgoorlie! Only 600 km east of Perth. Now, I thought I made my address abundantly clear:

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(yeah I don't care if you know where I live now, I have nothing worth stealing!)

But this is what they decided to stick on the crate:
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Not the smartest guys in the country - Sadliers Depot, Perth, should be in Perth right? :roll:

BUT look at the state of my bloody crate!
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They must have tried to put something bloody heavy on top of it :x :x

The damage done:
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I will be demanding my money back, or at least the replacement cost of the fairing...


Anyway, the rebuilding of Voltron begins. New Agni motors (the 111R versions, which deliver a higher continuous power) and maybe a bit of crash proofing around them. Oh, and a new fibreglass tail piece :lol:
 
Glad to hear you have your bike back!

What a shipping debacle :shock:

I still have one of your Agni brush holders here, would you like me to send it to you so you can get the whole box of toasted goodies off to JozzTek?
 
It was the really toasted one, wasn't it? Yeah, I don't think Jozz can save it :)

Still trying to find a cost effective way of sending 50 kg worth of deceased Agni to the UK...
 
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