Tesla Model Q

[neptronix]

MSN Article



"Internally codenamed "Redwood," the Model Q will be built on Tesla's latest vehicle platform. It will be 15% smaller and 30% lighter than the Tesla Model 3, with an overall length of approximately 3,988 mm. The production costs for the Model Q are expected to be about half of the Model 3's costs, contributing to its affordability.

The Model Q will feature a lithium iron phosphate battery, available in 53 kWh and 75 kWh capacities, offering single and dual-motor drive variants. The estimated range for the vehicle is approximately 500 kilometers. While there is no confirmation of whether the car will launch simultaneously in China and other markets, locally produced models in China may start at around 140,000 CNY if manufactured at Tesla's Shanghai Gigafactory.

The Model Q is expected to compete directly with the Volkswagen ID.3 and BYD Dolphin, two models that are popular in China, with combined monthly sales of approximately 20,000 units. Tesla aims to achieve 20-30% year-on-year growth in 2025 with the introduction of this vehicle."

 

[neptronix]

Honestly this is interesting to me. I don't like the unrepairability of a Tesla, but i do like the small size and price. I wonder if they lower production costs means they have a lot less features/electronics overload in the car.

Sounds like they're taking the small car seriously.

Your thoughts?

 

[DanGT86]

I feel like everyone wants cheap simple cars yet no company wants to build them. I have a hard time believing tesla is willing to do it in the US when they are still able to sell premium cars.

As for the lower production costs I'd expect that to mean you get a poor quality vehicle with a higher percentage of its value devoted to the giant touchscreen and annoying software.

Seems like a great price for any new EV though. Always hard to predict what tesla will do next. I was sure the cybertruck was a joke right up until I saw them on the road.

 

[harrisonpatm]

Oh, an announcement that it'll be ready to launch next year? That means it'll be ready in 3-6 years, if it ever goes forward at all.

 

[j bjork]

It is interesting that vw choose not to sell id3 in USA, I think they thougt there was no market there for a smaller car.

 

[neptronix]

Oh, an announcement that it'll be ready to launch next year? That means it'll be ready in 3-6 years, if it ever goes forward at all.

I'm sure it'll be released after the 2022 roadster!

 

[harrisonpatm]

I'm sure it'll be released after the 2022 roadster!

Yep, and I'll put it in the garage right next to the 2022 cybertruck that has a range of 500 miles, which only cost me $40,000

 

[rafalg]

I think this is a result of cooperation between Tesla and The Boring Company

 

[Chalo]

I feel like everyone wants cheap simple cars yet no company wants to build them. I have a hard time believing tesla is willing to do it in the US when they are still able to sell premium cars.

Yep, that's about the size of it. One of the greatest potential improvements made feasible by EVs is to radically de-complicate cars because they don't need emissions controls, sophisticated engine management with arrays of sensors, vacuum systems, liquid coolant systems, recirculating lubrication and filtration, and so forth. But instead of taking advantage of these economies, manufacturers not only pack in as many unnecessary systems as possible for performance outside the vehicles' legitimate purposes (or just for marketing BS), but they also lard the cars up with computers and displays that don't serve any real need at all.

They realize, correctly, that almost all Americans are so gullible, short-sighted, and car-addicted that they'll buy a car they don't really want, at a vastly inflated price, rather than recognizing a raw deal and going without. In today's pro-corporate political climate, the only solution is for buyers to refuse the raw deal and force sellers to provide a worthy product before buying it. But as we learned in November, most Americans are far too stupid, inconsiderate, self-destructive and morally bankrupt to do that.

The auto industry's approach has become, "here's your sh*t sandwich and you will eat it now." Bon appetit, idiots.

 

[Hillhater]

The auto industry's approach has become, "here's your sh*t sandwich and you will eat it now." Bon appetit, idiots.

That has certainly been the case since EVs were “forced” into the market by ledgislation, incentives, and scaremoungering.
…but possibly that change in November was a way for the majority to say they want that to stop.

 

[Chalo]

That has certainly been the case since EVs were “forced” into the market by ledgislation, incentives, and scaremoungering.
…but possibly that change in November was a way for the majority to say they want that to stop.

Um, no. It was a broader expression of stupidity, willful ignorance, malignancy, hatefulness, and racism. That (no longer in doubt) is the character of most Americans. It would be nice to think they can change, but they're opposed to that.

I mean, it is stupid and willfully ignorant and malignant to favor poison-spewing energy-wasting murder wagons over EVs, but that's only a drop in the bucket of American awfulness.

 

[DanGT86]

I didnt want to be the first to take this to politics but since its there now I do wonder what will happen with Elon Musk and his new roll in government. Seems like in the past it would be a nightmare of ethics regulations to have a guy working in the government while simultaneously owning companies with tons of government contracts. My guess is that none of the old standards matter anymore. But on paper it seems like an absolute nightmare to navigate. Like how is electric car guy going to advise on government policy regarding EV mandates? How will he advise on trade policy with china while engaged in manufacturing cars in china? Im sure its going to be messy. Probably arent any rules against it if he is not getting paid.

I agree with Chalo that the auto industry doesnt ask us but tells us what we want.

First company to sell a brand new ev 1995 honda civic for $10k would not be able to keep up with demand.

Thats what this tesla Q appears to be but I'll believe it when I see it.

Maybe it should be a little runabout that deploys from the bed of the cybertruck when you just need to run to the store real quick without taking the whole truck.

 

[scianiac]

I still think you guys give the majority of car buyers way to much credit, sure we, here on a forking DIY Ebike forum, want small, cheap, simple, reliable cars but I think we are in a very small minority unfortunately. Most car buyers don't understand enough about the engineering of a car to know how reliable and repairable it will be and every car brand claims otherwise with only some long term baseline of brand reputation being what people go off of. Similarly we're probably in the minority (at least in the US) when it comes to our frugality and views on debt so that shoots cheap out. Same goes for ego and people's unrealistic idea of how big of a car they actually need.

I know I know there is certainly a market for a small cheap car but I think we overestimate how big it is in the US. I think what they should do is make a smaller two seater EV "hot hatch", make it cheap with a small battery and sell it like the battery is small for performance reasons. It would be trivial to make such a car a super car killer for dirt cheap and I bet it would sell like hot cakes. Yes you would have to use the high discharge type cells often used in plug-in hybrids and it wouldn't have that much performance for very long but 99% of sports cars never see a track or a race anyway. I mean it's sexy, it's fast, it's cheap, it's got that david vs goliath thing going for it. Way easier to sell an American on such a car I bet than a tiny econobox.

 

[Chalo]

Thats what this tesla Q appears to be but I'll believe it when I see it.

Maybe it should be a little runabout that deploys from the bed of the cybertruck when you just need to run to the store real quick without taking the whole truck.

Then the Model Q can have a Sinclair C5 in the back, which carries a Xiaomi M365 as a dinghy. Like a babushka doll of lameness.

 

[amberwolf]

Like in "You're Under Arrest"? I supoose you could put an esk8 on the motocompo....

 

[DanGT86]

I never got along with those Russian stacking dolls. They are always full of themselves.

 

[raylo32]

Smaller and cheaper are great, up to a point. But the existing Teslas already seem basic and cheap... like an electric skateboard with a steering wheel and screen attached all wrapped in a thin candy shell. Screen-centric operations with inadequate ergonomic physical switchgear. Cheap, cheap, cheap. Now with the Q we get even cheaper? I can't wait. LOL.