Tesla Model S P85D vs Lamborghini Aventador Race !!

[Doctorbass]

A 4 door sedan of 130k$ against a exotic 400k$ car

But the name is T E S L A

Enjoy!


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Doc

 

[Martin A]

The Lambo takes about eight seconds to reel in the Tesla, which is probably just above 100mph. But how many runs before the Lambo burns its clutch out?

 

[TheBeastie]

Yeah I was thinking about how much energy was wasted in heat/watts on the ICE lambor, I seen some supercars have a orange glowing muffler due to all the expended heat.

 

[zombiess]

That happedend exactly as I expected when I saw the HP/curb weights of the cars.

The gap doesn't happen until after a few seconds. It's nice to see the lambo driver actually run. Getting an exotic owner(well most guys with fast cars, but I'm picking on exotic owners because they are so darn goofy) to actually get on the gas pedal and to stop running their mouth is difficult.

I think an t bucket or many other kit cars would make and awesome electric conversion. Keep the weight <3000 and shoot for 400hp.

A t bucket with a completely exposed drive system, wires and lighting would look amazing. As soon as battery density increases electric is going to be awesome for hot rodding. Unlike most, I prefer to hot rod with a laptop (after go fast parts are i stalled) which is what drew me to tuning ecus on fast ice engines. Electric hot rodding is a dream, true bolt on power

 

[Hillhater]

The Lambo takes about eight seconds to reel in the Tesla, which is probably just above 100mph. But how many runs before the Lambo burns its clutch out?

And how many runs before the Tesla goes into power limiting to prevent battery overheating ?
These comparisons are ridiculous .
Why not do a true 1/4 mile ?
Why not a circuit race ?
..or a 1/8 strip run
..or 0 to 100 to 0 ?
..Or an economy run ?
..or a 24 hour hour endurance run ?

There is no way to make a realistic comparison !

 

[izeman]

there is a funny commercial about an electric smart. doing drag racing against regular cars up to super sport cars the smart looses every time on the quarter mile/km what ever. but the point is: it always wins on the first five meters. and this is what counts - at least that's what the commercial says

 

[izeman]

here's the video http://youtu.be/b1iJJZfB7i0

 

[liveforphysics]

The Lambo takes about eight seconds to reel in the Tesla, which is probably just above 100mph. But how many runs before the Lambo burns its clutch out?

And how many runs before the Tesla goes into power limiting to prevent battery overheating ?
These comparisons are ridiculous .
Why not do a true 1/4 mile ?
Why not a circuit race ?
..or a 1/8 strip run
..or 0 to 100 to 0 ?
..Or an economy run ?
..or a 24 hour hour endurance run ?

There is no way to make a realistic comparison !

You could do those other things. You could do a sustained top speed run, or lap Nuremberg ring or a tractor pull or a roll-over contest.

However, this video isn't about showing those things, it's about showing what happens in a stop-light race, which seldom last more than 5-10seconds and seldom go much past 100mph.

In stoplight races, the D is going to be a pretty worthy competitor for most anything short of a dedicated street racing prepped vehicle (I say street prepped, because cars optimized for the drag strip aren't optimized for street asphalt conditions, and just spin the tires on the street).

Extremely impressive when you consider it's a 7 passenger capable luxury sedan that doesn't spray carcinogenic poisons as a part of normal operation.

 

[zombiess]

LFP, I had something almost the same typed out about real life and street racing but then just said screw it. Thanks for posting that, it's dead on.

Fast car vs 1000cc sport bike at drag strip, car wins easily. That same fast car on the street vs a 600cc bike, the car loses bad (I'm talking dead stop racing).

It's like dyno numbers. I've watched cars that make 700 HP to the tires struggle to run low 12 second passes at the race track and seen cars making 500 on the dyno run low 10's. It's all in how you put it to use.

 

[liveforphysics]

It's like dyno numbers. I've watched cars that make 700 HP to the tires struggle to run low 12 second passes at the race track and seen cars making 500 on the dyno run low 10's. It's all in how you put it to use.

So true. We had a joke about street supras having no difference in quarter mile between 500hp, 600hp, or 700hp tunes, but the 500hp version would slaughter them all stoplight racing.

In the Honda drag car events, it takes around 600whp in the turbo car classes before they reach the same quarter mile times the naturally aspirated cars achieve with ~350hp.

 

[John in CR]

I still like the idea of a pair of big high Kv hubbies hidden in the unpowered wheels of an ICE street racer. 30 seconds worth of battery would be easy to hide.

 

[liveforphysics]

I still like the idea of a pair of big high Kv hubbies hidden in the unpowered wheels of an ICE street racer. 30 seconds worth of battery would be easy to hide.

It should be done if it hasn't been already. I suspect it's going to be common place in OEM vehicles soon.

 

[The fingers]

Instead of squeezin' they'll be switchin'. 8)

 

[MitchJi]

Hi,

Extremely impressive when you consider it's a 7 passenger capable luxury sedan that doesn't spray carcinogenic poisons as a part of normal operation

Exactly!

http://motortrend.com/roadtests/alternative/1411_2015_tesla_model_s_p85d_first_test/

2015 Tesla Model S P85D First Test

In the options selection, you'll be able to choose [between] three settings: Normal. Sport. And Insane." Elon Musk glanced around and grinned.

"Yeah, it will actually say 'In-sane.'"

Musk chortled, along with the 2,000-strong crowd eating out of the palm of his hand. Although Wall Street analysts were soured by his Los Angeles presentation of the Dual Motor Tesla Model S P85D and the mysteriously tweeted "something else" (Musk's personal wealth dropped $500 million by the next morning), all we can say is that the Wall Street suits haven't ridden in the Model S P85D. And best they don't if they want to keep their Brooks Brothers slacks dry, because we've just tested it, and as insane goes, it makes Charlie Manson look like Charlie Rose.

How crazy? Musk: "Our goal was to match one of the fastest cars ever made: the McLaren F1." Somewhere in England, Gordon Murray's porcupine eyebrows have just elevated three inches. Can the F1 designer's fabled carbon-fiber, 627-hp, Ferrari-humbling masterpiece actually be paced to 60 mph by a five-seat sedan with a trunk sized for a Home Depot haul?

Twenty-two years ago, the McLaren F1's time of 3.2 seconds to 60 mph was the technological redline of what a mad genius Grand Prix designer could conjure from a road car. I tested one back in the day, and although it was at a closed airstrip encircled by acres of table-flat run-off room, it was among the most shattering few seconds of my life. One moment everything was still; the next, the cabin had exploded in a maniacal machine racket. The tach needle swept clockwise, the clutch pedal fought my left foot's stabs, the shifter pinballed through its detents, the V-12 engine charged through its revs again, my right foot feared staying planted but did anyway, everything shook, and I just hung the hell on as the world melted into a smear. Exhale. Launch one of Musk's Falcon 9 rockets horizontally, and you'll get the idea.

The quickest-accelerating sedan in the world isn't German anymore.

But scrambling to the same 60 mph time in the P85D bears no resemblance to that at all. With one transmission gear and no head-bobbing shifts, it's instead a rail-gun rush down a quarter-mile of asphalt bowling lane. Nothing in the drivetrain reciprocates; every part spins. There's no exhaust smell; the fuel is invisible. The torque impacts your body with the violence of facing the wrong way on the train tracks when the whistle blows. Within the first degree of its first revolution, 100 percent of the motors' combined 687 lb-ft slams the sense out of you. A rising-pitch ghost siren augers into your ears as you're not so much accelerating as pneumatically suctioned into the future. You were there. Now you're here.

The wormhole between the two is courtesy of a second motor on the front axle. At 221 hp, it's smaller than the P85+'s existing 470-hp rear machine (total: 691), and for the non-Performance 60- and 85-kW-hr Dual Motor Model S, it'll be the rear motor, too. Lift the front trunk's lid (the frunk, they call it), and you're struck by how much all of this was anticipated back when the Model S was penned. What was a recessed cavity near the firewall becomes the new forward engine room with enough left to swallow a duffle bag and retain its terrific 5-star frontal crash performance. Equal-length front halfshafts thread through new branched chassis rails and hub uprights—and that's about it.

Replacing the now-discontinued P85+ as the apex Model S, the P85 Dual Motor gains 197 pounds, tipping the car's weight distribution from 47/53 (f/r) to 51/49. Anti-roll bars and shock valving are suitably thicker and firmer, but the Michelin Pilot Sport PS2 tires are the same, as is the car's 0.91 g of lateral grip. However, around our quirk-exposing figure-eight course, the D's handling wasn't Novocained by the added nose heft (as you'd expect), nor was its steering garbled by torque-steer cross-talk (as you'd expect); instead, all four tires now want to be in on the traction action. Feathering the accelerator (or rather, the accelerator pedal's potentiometer) now rotates—and also bends—the car's trajectory via regen brake drag that instantly reallocates between both axles (no longer limited to the rear). Essentially, the two motors' email-instant reflexes mean the stability control system is the drivetrain itself—and vice versa—not a Band-Aided layer of throttle- and brake-mitigating technologies overlaid on a big-inertia crankshaft and flailing pistons accustomed to Pony Express reaction times.

Consequently, the easiest way to flatten your retinas at a dragstrip isn't by just stomping on the right pedal. Instead, you draw your foot back and kick the living hell out of it. (I'm serious.) Your foot's flying start at the pedal means the potentiometer opens the battery's electron floodgate that much sooner, and without the teeniest tire chirp, the P85D accelerates at the highest rate the road's mu (its coefficient of friction) allows. It's surreally efficient. And it's so fast off the line that the slower-sampling rate of our two high-frequency GPS data loggers was actually missing some of the action; within the first 1/20th of a sec (not even the "O" in "One Mississippi") the car was already going 0.7 mph. To 30 mph the P85D would be four feet ahead of the fastest-accelerating sedan we've tested, the Audi RS 7, a gap that holds to 60 when the Tesla punches the clock at 3.1 seconds, a tenth quicker than the Audi (as well as the McLaren F1's accepted time -- all of these after subtracting the customary 1-foot rollout). Both cars arrive at the quarter in 11.6 seconds, with the Audi starting to show its higher-speed chops. (The P85D tops out at 155, the RS 7, 174 mph.) Great for the Autobahn, irrelevant in America.

When you're not doing a hole-shot, the dual motor setup can offer slightly better overall range (about 4 percent better for non-Performance versions, 3.5 percent less for the P85D) by mixing and matching the twin motors' slightly different power curves. It also might better distribute the tire wear, as its regen is now biased toward the front instead of the aft rubber, which worked overtime in the rear-drive cars.

Meanwhile, the Model S has undergone a quiet mid-cycle refreshing with better standard seats, terrific-looking and highly bolstered front and rear performance seats in the P85D (even in the back!), better whiplash protection, revised (and more conventional) steering column stalks, wider-opening rear doors, a self-closing charge port door, and bigger sunvisors. Everything's better. During a chat with Musk at the P85D's introduction, he mentioned that on average, Tesla implements about 20 modifications to the car per week. Not software, mind you, but actual hard parts. Per week. Adding the Dual Motor to either the 60- or 85-kW-hr cars tabulates to $4,000; it's $11,100 in frosting to a P85 (including the high-power rear motor).

From a quarterly report standpoint, the across-the-range availability of an all-wheel-drive option will assuredly boost Model S' Slippery State sales, and—duh—it was going to be central to the upcoming Model X anyway. But the world's preeminent automotive showman also knows there's no better way to stir imaginations among Tesla fence-sitters—and churn up heartburn in Bavarians—than by conjuring a hulking, pacing alpha male version of the Model S like this. How will the psychological landscape among the One Percenter Mercedes-Benz AMG, Audi RS, and BMW M crowd be recast if, when a Tesla Model S P85D rolls up at a light, it's game over, guys? Brace yourself, Teutonic Status Quo, because the quickest-accelerating sedan in the world isn't German anymore. It's from California. As they say in Palo Alto: Auf Wiedersehen!

Head to the second page of this exclusive First Test for more on the 2015 Tesla Model S P85D, including our analysis of the automaker's Autopilot system and a graphic showing just how quickly the electric car accelerates...

 

[USAEBIKECO]

I had to watch this video several times. Its pretty cool to see the Tesla take off like that.

8)

 

[Doctorbass]

Here is another great video with a TESLA and a Ferrari 458

[youtube]9cA1doO_9h8[/youtube]

Doc

 

[1KW]

The Lambo takes about eight seconds to reel in the Tesla, which is probably just above 100mph. But how many runs before the Lambo burns its clutch out?

And how many runs before the Tesla goes into power limiting to prevent battery overheating ?
These comparisons are ridiculous .
Why not do a true 1/4 mile ?
Why not a circuit race ?
..or a 1/8 strip run
..or 0 to 100 to 0 ?
..Or an economy run ?
..or a 24 hour hour endurance run ?

There is no way to make a realistic comparison !

alan, the owner, told me each launch only uses 3% of the battery capacity.

 

[silentflight]

As if you guys didn't already know, this car has supernatural torque.

Drove a P85D over the weekend and felt like I was flying over the road.

Accelerating from a standing stop makes your head light and feels like someone has attached an aircraft carrier launch catapult to the front bumper. My mind just couldn't wrap itself around the idea of the wheels being capable of driving such insane acceleration. electrons FTW!

 

[Hillhater]

alan, the owner, told me each launch only uses 3% of the battery capacity.

Its not about capacity ( the Lambo probably used 3% of its tank also),..
.. but about how long the Tesla pack can handle a 6-7 C discharge before the automatic thermal protection kicks in and limits the power.
The same 85kWhr pack is known to do that on the single motor version, so i dont see the dual motor being in a better situation.

 

[Doctorbass]

alan, the owner, told me each launch only uses 3% of the battery capacity.

Its not about capacity ( the Lambo probably used 3% of its tank also),..
.. but about how long the Tesla pack can handle a 6-7 C discharge before the automatic thermal protection kicks in and limits the power.
The same 85kWhr pack is known to do that on the single motor version, so i dont see the dual motor being in a better situation.

I think that the P85D pack is a modified different version :wink:

http://roulezelectrique.com/nouvelle-version-de-batterie-pour-les-tesla-s/

Doc

 

[Hillhater]

Yes , it seems Tesla has a continuous improvement program for those packs . ..which they would need to anyway to keep parity with motor performance !
But unless they have made a dramatic improvement in cell discharge performance ( and not announced it ?), then they are still pounding on those cells and utilizing the pack cooling system to keep things calm.
The very first 85D test drive video mentioned the controller limiting power after a few test runs.

 

[liveforphysics]

Yes , it seems Tesla has a continuous improvement program for those packs . ..which they would need to anyway to keep parity with motor performance !
But unless they have made a dramatic improvement in cell discharge performance ( and not announced it ?), then they are still pounding on those cells and utilizing the pack cooling system to keep things calm.
The very first 85D test drive video mentioned the controller limiting power after a few test runs.

Ummm yes, it's a dramatic improvement over the earlier 85kWh packs. You will notice the quarter mile times on the single motor vehicles dropped dramatically mid 2014 (Tesla announced nothing about it). The cells are much lower impedance than they were previously.

 

[MitchJi]

Hi,

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[Doctorbass]

Hi,

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Nice vid man!

Doc

 

[MitchJi]

Hi,

This video captures the feeling:
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