Tesla Powerwall Recall Sparks Class Action Over Disabled Batteries
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Tesla Powerwall Recall Sparks Class Action Over Disabled Batteries
..yet another reason to DIY your home lithium storage
Already done!
Thanks for the share, I kinda forgot about Tesla powerwalls for a bit because I have my head stuck in the DIY-powerwall sand. Good to know that they're not exempt from post-capitalism shenanigans.
For DIY newbies reading this thread or watching this video, head over to secondlifestorage.com if you want to learn more about doing it yourself.
slaphappygamer
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Not just power walls…
This reminds me of my father-in-laws Tesla model3. A few years ago, he got an update and his car wouldn’t start. The reason was because of the 12v battery. This disabled the car. The car worked fine after he got a new 12v battery from the new vendor.
Hey manufacturers, when someone buys a thing THEY own the thing.
#softwarekillshardware
This reminds me of my father-in-laws Tesla model3. A few years ago, he got an update and his car wouldn’t start. The reason was because of the 12v battery. This disabled the car. The car worked fine after he got a new 12v battery from the new vendor.
Hey manufacturers, when someone buys a thing THEY own the thing.
#softwarekillshardware
That hasn't been true for most of this century and some of the last.
More than a decade ago, Cox bricked lots of modems on their network with a remote firmware update, and then denied that it had happened. Kept me (and probably a lot of people) offline until I could afford to buy a new one.
slaphappygamer
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Thats horrible. I would go with another ISP, if one is even available.That hasn't been true for most of this century and some of the last.
More than a decade ago, Cox bricked lots of modems on their network with a remote firmware update, and then denied that it had happened. Kept me (and probably a lot of people) offline until I could afford to buy a new one.
Wonder if StarLink might have a similar issue.
As someone who works on software all day and manages a team that does it.
Last thing i want once i pull away from the computer screen is to have more software problems because some silicon valley company is running experiments on production vehicles and seeing what happens.
In fact i kinda doubt how good anything is built since covid!
offGridDownUnder
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It's satellites in orbit. Guess.
Nothing could possibly go wrong with that.
OlderGiantFan
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I can't wait to get my fully connected e-toilet, it has cameras in the bowl to inspect your stools. If it sees anything it thinks is suspicious it will book an appointment with the doctor and notify you. You must maintain a connection to the net though, it won't flush without a connection. A small price to pay for the comfort of knowing someone is looking up your ginger every day.
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OlderGiantFan
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Corporations already scour social media in relation to prospective employees, why not medical too? I know we've moved into the realm of Science Fiction now but there are far too many parallels between SciFi and the world we now live in it's not funny. Red light cameras down here are used "for safety" but the local councils also access the data and if they see someone tossing anything out a window they automatically send a $300 fine in the mail. I doesn't matter if the wind blew a slip of paper off your dash out the window, you pay! Tip of the iceberg going forward probably?
How is discharging and disabling a huge bank of defective lithium-ion batteries that already caused FIRES post-capitalism shenanigans?
The lawsuit is not even about that. It's about compensation for downtime.
IF
the battery is stationary
THEN
Energy and power density takes a back seat to affordability, longevity and safety does it not?
IIRC Iodine and Bromine batteries win out by miles here.
As in MAKE the battery itself, rather than test, balance connect etc bought Lithium batteries.
eg:
https://www.youtube.com/@ThinkingandTinkering/search?query=iodine bromine bAttery
Further (outside the box thinking):
IF
you need ~ 2 volts to run DC LED lighting
WHY-TF
change the 1st (parallel) column of cells (2v) to 110 AC then back to low volt DC with some inefficient, cost adding transformer in the bulb..?
Same goes for 12v, 18v, etc for phones and laptops etc. (6 to 9 cells in series)
Why 110 AC it And then back to said DC..?
Heating loads like ovens, kettles, hot water heater dont give a dAmn if you feed them DC, not AC.
In fact, when you think about it, the only thing requiring AC is motors...
The only reason the world has a metric sh1t tone of repurposed Lithium is to delay the point where those making them have to face recycling or (toxic) trashing them.
ie: If all the batteries here are completely EOL, simply flicking the off switch, but saying nothing as they collect dust is the easiest, cheapest 'out'...
As for those in your home; that's now your problem, not theirs..!
Point being:
The In the Box thinking of:
DC-AC-DC, with inverter, transformer/s and battery control and expensive, dangerous, 2nd hand batteries, all seems like one big SCAM, does it not..???
the battery is stationary
THEN
Energy and power density takes a back seat to affordability, longevity and safety does it not?
IIRC Iodine and Bromine batteries win out by miles here.
As in MAKE the battery itself, rather than test, balance connect etc bought Lithium batteries.
eg:
https://www.youtube.com/@ThinkingandTinkering/search?query=iodine bromine bAttery
Further (outside the box thinking):
IF
you need ~ 2 volts to run DC LED lighting
WHY-TF
change the 1st (parallel) column of cells (2v) to 110 AC then back to low volt DC with some inefficient, cost adding transformer in the bulb..?
Same goes for 12v, 18v, etc for phones and laptops etc. (6 to 9 cells in series)
Why 110 AC it And then back to said DC..?
Heating loads like ovens, kettles, hot water heater dont give a dAmn if you feed them DC, not AC.
In fact, when you think about it, the only thing requiring AC is motors...
The only reason the world has a metric sh1t tone of repurposed Lithium is to delay the point where those making them have to face recycling or (toxic) trashing them.
ie: If all the batteries here are completely EOL, simply flicking the off switch, but saying nothing as they collect dust is the easiest, cheapest 'out'...
As for those in your home; that's now your problem, not theirs..!
Point being:
The In the Box thinking of:
DC-AC-DC, with inverter, transformer/s and battery control and expensive, dangerous, 2nd hand batteries, all seems like one big SCAM, does it not..???
OlderGiantFan
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Everyone I know worships elon musk, but I've never trusted him, a salesman, a very good one, a very ... shifty one.
johndavid24
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Mine may work
ZeroEm
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Have had concerns of remote access to my purchased items. Bolting used batteries to my house wall has bothered me. Yes, they could be new batteries, maybe?
Thanks harrisonpatm for the site, registered.
Micro inverters with remote access bother me the most. Never though of have a power wall bricked but does not surprise me at all!
In the next few years will be adding solar and battery backup so have some time to learn as much as possible. Now this thread adds another level. Knew satellites were watching how much solar and permitted solar installs was/is on the roof.
I noticed in the video that they were piping house air to cool the power wall.
Any other blind spots we should be watching for with solar, storage and the new world?
Thanks harrisonpatm for the site, registered.
Micro inverters with remote access bother me the most. Never though of have a power wall bricked but does not surprise me at all!
In the next few years will be adding solar and battery backup so have some time to learn as much as possible. Now this thread adds another level. Knew satellites were watching how much solar and permitted solar installs was/is on the roof.
I noticed in the video that they were piping house air to cool the power wall.
Any other blind spots we should be watching for with solar, storage and the new world?
OlderGiantFan
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It's still cold down here in Oz, first day of Spring. It's 17c outside and I have the A/C on high heat now the suns up and a fan blowing cold air in from outside because I like fresh air. The old A/C units, the window rattlers, they had a lever to allow recycled or a mix of recycled and fresh air and you could vary it. All the modern split systems are fully recycled air only. It's the sort of thing I notice, and think about...
What I notice mostly is I use a hell of a lot more electricity in the daytime than I did before the solar was installed. Why not? Use it up, it's free and they don't pay me much to export it. 15 times less than what they charge me for imports. This leads to local Jevon's paradox for me, "Increased efficiency in resource use leads to an overall increase in consumption rather than a decrease. William Jevons 1865, "The Coal Question," So really adding solar power solves little planetary wise. In fact the Coal burnt in China to manufacture all these panels and A/C units would be phenomenal, and they all need replacing in 15 or 25 years as well.
I doubt I'll be alive in 25 years so it's not like I think too much about it, and that thinking process has been the hallmark of every generation before us as well. "She'll be right mate" thinking. As for house batteries I won't be getting one. As a fail-safe in a blackout they are probably handy, if the sun shines the next day. As a daily money saver they rarely add up. Electricity isn't that expensive to buy but the batteries sure as hell are.
What I notice mostly is I use a hell of a lot more electricity in the daytime than I did before the solar was installed. Why not? Use it up, it's free and they don't pay me much to export it. 15 times less than what they charge me for imports. This leads to local Jevon's paradox for me, "Increased efficiency in resource use leads to an overall increase in consumption rather than a decrease. William Jevons 1865, "The Coal Question," So really adding solar power solves little planetary wise. In fact the Coal burnt in China to manufacture all these panels and A/C units would be phenomenal, and they all need replacing in 15 or 25 years as well.
I doubt I'll be alive in 25 years so it's not like I think too much about it, and that thinking process has been the hallmark of every generation before us as well. "She'll be right mate" thinking. As for house batteries I won't be getting one. As a fail-safe in a blackout they are probably handy, if the sun shines the next day. As a daily money saver they rarely add up. Electricity isn't that expensive to buy but the batteries sure as hell are.
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