TESLA to Plans to Build World’s Biggest Battery Factory!

dnmun said:
wow, speedy never worked in a production plant, that's for sure. ....
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Yes, and he certainly has never had to put together a full capital proposal for one with investment schedules, ROI and growth strategy.
Or planned out crewing rosters for 24/7 operation and maintenance downtime whilst maintaining customer supply AND minimum stock levels...let alone have to manage and ensure plant utilisation never falls below 90%
Product quality is ensured by only using quality assured raw materials, processes that are capability proven, and trained operators with standardized operating procedures.
I have seen people like Speedmd , who think have worked in production factories, visit a high speed manufacturing plant and be completely stunned by the sight of true MASS production..measured in many millions of precision products per day converted from raw metal to finished, inspected, protected, packed and shipped in one continuous non stop process.
You dont think commercial trucks run 24/7 ?? stay awake a few nights !
..Your man with the shovel stockpiling ore, has either over capitalized in shovel capacity ( should have bought a smaller one) or has under capitalized in the processing plant ( or he is not running it at night ?)
I say again , no modrn manufacturing process plant can afford to have manufacturing facilities standing idle.. or running below optimum capacity, the bean counter who control all things, will not allow it !
 
Hillhater said:
dnmun said:
wow, speedy never worked in a production plant, that's for sure. ....
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Yes, and he certainly has never had to put together a full capital proposal for one with investment schedules, ROI and growth strategy.
Or planned out crewing rosters for 24/7 operation and maintenance downtime whilst maintaining customer supply AND minimum stock levels...let alone have to manage and ensure plant utilisation never falls below 90%
Product quality is ensured by only using quality assured raw materials, processes that are capability proven, and trained operators with standardized operating procedures.
I have seen people like Speedmd , who think have worked in production factories, visit a high speed manufacturing plant and be completely stunned by the sight of true MASS production..measured in many millions of precision products per day converted from raw metal to finished, inspected, protected, packed and shipped in one continuous non stop process.
You dont think commercial trucks run 24/7 ?? stay awake a few nights !
..Your man with the shovel stockpiling ore, has either over capitalized in shovel capacity ( should have bought a smaller one) or has under capitalized in the processing plant ( or he is not running it at night ?)
I say again , no modrn manufacturing process plant can afford to have manufacturing facilities standing idle.. or running below optimum capacity, the bean counter who control all things, will not allow it !
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Get a grip hillhater. 90% utilization. :lol: What government sponsored programs are you staying up watching. Been to many high production plants and have run one myself for years. Process control and quality engineer and management for a bunch more. Proposals? ROI, Growth strategies? While you look into your crystal ball for the answers, and take you best guess what your market will do, your competitors will be trying to steal your business, and equipment downtime / bottlenecks will spoil your rosy dreams. Been to the movie my good friend. All the planning in the world does not change the facts of how things will play out. Downtime is part of any educated scenario on production. Bottle necks and constraints are always what drives the boat. Anyone truly running a plant 24/7 365 will be down doing significant amounts of maintenance or will be out of business in short order. This plant will be no exception. Look forward to the tour.
cheers
 
that is what we get paid to do. preventing the production from stopping. stopping a production line is one of the heaviest burdens one has to carry as a production engineer. been there, done that. you do not sleep if you are the engineer responsible. but usually there will immediately be a group meeting within minutes or hours to evaluate the evidence and make arguments about how to pursue a solution, and schedule priority and time with the scanning electron microscope or other testing procedures to evaluate the problem that pushed the process out of control.

this plant will be almost entirely automated and starting and stopping will be a major crisis every time it happens.
 
State law, it always happens on third shift. :D :lol:

Will be a interesting problem for Musk. Not dealing with a mature product line or battery technology for that matter. Interested to see what they settle on for manufacturing setup. Would be very surprised if it was not product centralized JIT rather than process centralized. Certain they will build in significant over capacity due to production and sales growth rates, but certainly lots of risk no matter which way they go. Making the stuff is the easy part, selling, not so easy when things sour or someone like Samsung starts dumping product.
 
Tesla coming to a mall near you? Right outside the underwear dealer! :lol:
One thing that micro BEAN counter mentality fails to take into account on this battery plant, is that potential supply interruptions to the finished product will far out weigh individual supply plant profitability decisions, never mind pace at which major design improvements can be directly implemented into his cars. Vertical integration is key for Musk while he is stepping on some pretty big toes in the car market. :shock: Would like to see him build his next plant in Detroit just to help mix things up a bit:) !
More on the SJC ruling.
http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/20...car-dealers/tFMtsQT4Ta4LI3RgcrOJOP/story.html
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Some Nevada news.
http://www.foxbusiness.com/industries/2014/09/16/nevada-rolls-snake-eyes-on-tesla/
 
i think the recent move in the stock price is related to the expectation of how Tesla is gonna expand in china. money talks in china and now that the guvment there has allowed Tesla to sell cars into their market and the deal with Unicom to build out a network of Tesla charging stations in china has pointed where they will be growing.

Tesla is that status thing in china, just like here, but in china it has the added benefit of allowing the new Tesla owner to avoid the license plate lottery in china. EVs will be allowed to get a license without going through the lottery. people were already paying thousands and thousands of $US to buy up winning license allotments. so that helps against the selling price already. one of the unseen things about the chinese market. along with parking and other restrictions that EVs will be able to sidestep as the guvment there supports the build out of the EV fleet.
 
wineboyrider said:
All I need now is some bumbling fool named Rush Limbaugh spouting off about how toxic electric cars are etc. etc. Feaux News.
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Actually, you might like what Dumbaugh had to say. I've read a little of it where he talks about the government spouts about electric cars then does so many things to block the path, the greenies fighting among themselves and standing in the way, etc. And there's no arguing with him when he says more and more electric cars can't be clean until the COAL is taken out of it.

Mostly what he says is backhanded, as when he asks why people expect him to hate electric cars. He even said 'Elon Musk isn't a bad guy at all.' Quite a stretch by his standards. You'd expect he secretly has a Tesla himself.
 
i see $50,000 pickup trucks all the time. that is like the normal cost of a luxury car now. how much do they pay for the big Audi and BMW? $50k for a car that costs less than 1/10 of what it costs to drive a fat car? how hard is that to understand the advantages of driving on juice, even when you consider the math skills of most people in this country?

not only that but there is this assumption that oil is just overpriced now because of the huge conspiracy of the oil companies to keep the price high. when the reality of oil shortages hits the fan then gas could and should go to $10 just like in europe now and it should be over $15 already to provide incentives to move the transport fleet off of oil based transportation.
 
Dauntless said:
wineboyrider said:
All I need now is some bumbling fool named Rush Limbaugh spouting off about how toxic electric cars are etc. etc. Feaux News.
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Actually, you might like what Dumbaugh had to say. I've read a little of it where he talks about the government spouts about electric cars then does so many things to block the path, the greenies fighting among themselves and standing in the way, etc. And there's no arguing with him when he says more and more electric cars can't be clean until the COAL is taken out of it.

Mostly what he says is backhanded, as when he asks why people expect him to hate electric cars. He even said 'Elon Musk isn't a bad guy at all.' Quite a stretch by his standards. You'd expect he secretly has a Tesla himself.
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I don't hate Dumbaugh, but its the ditto heads that scare me. Mostly, I agree with him on many issues,but because the ditto heads blindly hate Soccer like Ann Coulter did....I am a tried and true libertarian hate both sides really :p
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dnmun said:
.... $50k for a car that costs less than 1/10 of what it costs to drive a fat car? how hard is that to understand the advantages of driving on juice, even when you consider the math skills of most people in this country?

not only that but there is this assumption that oil is just overpriced now because of the huge conspiracy of the oil companies to keep the price high. when the reality of oil shortages hits the fan then gas could and should go to $10 just like in europe now and it should be over $15 already to provide incentives to move the transport fleet off of oil based transportation.
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Whilst i am more than keen to switch to a practical EV for many reasons, oddly, fuel cost is not one of them.
I like many other city/sub urban drivers find that fuel is a very minor portion of my vehicle costs, with tolls, parking, insurance, maintenance, etc outweighing fuel many times over since city driving distances are low.
Our fuel costs move up and down +-20% weekly at the whim of retailers ( yes, from $1.25 up to $1.75 , per litre ), but if you only use <10ltr week,..its not your biggest concern compare to $50+ weekly tolls !
No, it will be a better driving experience ( smooth, quiet, clean etc) that draws many to EV's,...regardless of cost... ( but cheap is better !)
 
but that is my point exactly. gasoline is currently dirt cheap so the cost of fuel is not significant to ownership.

we should already have instituted taxation on fuel to reduce consumption and we should have started doing it 40 years ago when it became clear that global warming had become an issue that would destroy the coastal infrastructure and cities built around ports and river basins around the world.

the economic impact to the future generations will be staggering for a world with no cheap and easy solutions based on free energy as we have now for these brief 70 years since the saudis agreed to let us take all we could get and we could pump oil like crazy from our country too.

we could have already made the changes and be focused on a world where we could control the future sea level rise that will inundate coastal regions world wide.
 
dnmun said:
we could have already made the changes and be focused on a world where we could control the future sea level rise that will inundate coastal regions world wide.
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sorry, i respect your views,.. but the "King Canute" belief never gets any traction with me.
As Far as i am concerned, Nature is in control, we are just along for the ride !
 
speedmd said:
Tesla coming to a mall near you? Right outside the underwear dealer! :lol:
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Already got Tesla at a mall near me. All I need now is the money.

They have two whole cars, where this woman said "These aren't real cars, they don't even have engines." They also have a chassis bed with the drivetrain. I SAW the unreliable transaxle.
 
Why Musk Is Building Batteries in the Desert When No One Is Buying
Deutsche Bank analyst Rod Lache last month increased his estimate for sales of the Model S and Model X to 129,000 units in 2017, from a previously estimated 83,000. Tesla can reach its 500,000 annual run rate before the end of the decade, Lache said, in time to put the gigafactory to full use.

Tesla’s growth will be “much steeper, their mix will be much richer, and their costs will ultimately be much lower than we previously assumed,” Lache wrote in a report on Aug. 11. ..

... Still, it’s easy to get caught up in Musk’s vision for the future of cars. Defying skeptics, Musk has established the biggest U.S. solar company by market value, built a private space company that’s making deliveries to the International Space Station, and has conjured a $35 billion car company out of thin air.
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Dauntless said:
speedmd said:
Tesla coming to a mall near you? Right outside the underwear dealer! :lol:
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Already got Tesla at a mall near me. All I need now is the money.

They have two whole cars, where this woman said "These aren't real cars, they don't even have engines." They also have a chassis bed with the drivetrain. I SAW the unreliable transaxle.
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Do anything you can to schedule a test drive of a p85 model S my friend. Find a safe place to pin the throttle with traction control on and hold it to the floor for at least 12 seconds.
 
Hi,

Do anything you can to schedule a test drive of a p85 model S my friend. Find a safe place to pin the throttle with traction control on and hold it to the floor for at least 12 seconds.
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Why? Don't you know there's a video floating around, of someone absolutely toasting a P85 Model with an Electric bicycle ? :mrgreen:
 
MitchJi said:
Hi,

Do anything you can to schedule a test drive of a p85 model S my friend. Find a safe place to pin the throttle with traction control on and hold it to the floor for at least 12 seconds.
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Why? Don't you know there's a video floating around, of someone absolutely toasting a P85 Model with an Electric bicycle ? :mrgreen:
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Hey, wait a minute. Mr. Physics is planning on BEING THERE when I testdrive that car!
 
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