The whole EV world in Frankfurt (a lot photos)

[CroDriver]

Mercedes S 400 Hybrid

The Tesla S looks good but i don't understand why they brought this early prototype without interior to Frankfurt.

This would be a great donor car

400hp electric car concept. 4 AC motors, 42 kWh liquid cooled li-ion battery

"L1" diesel. Claimed consumption: 1,5l/100km

Cool carbon chassis

Gearbox with integrated AC motor

The industry already offers complete hybrid and EV solutions, the car makers just have to say "I want that". I don't understand what they're waiting for...

I was especially interested in the suppliers of the car industry. There are great companys and solutions for those who want to build car but don't have the know-how and experience to build every part of the car

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LPG

The first bi-moto?

This batteries are powering the e-Ruf (electric Porsche)

Good ehheem, battery

Opel Ampera - Brother of the Volt

A Chinese company offering fuel cells and e-drive components

Here I was arguing with some BMW engineers about the AC Propulsion system. They told me that they have developed the e-drive system for the e-Mini. In their version of the story ACP is only a manufacturer of the BMW designed components

The best hybrid system I have ever seen. A small (but very powerful) 3 cylinder Dizel engine, 7-speed double clutch gearbox and a 150hp electric motor on the rear axle and a 90hp motor on the front. Small Li-poly battery pack.

But I don't believe that they will bring it to the market

Fuel cell powered

Mercedes announced that they will make a full electric version of this:

7-speed DKG

LED

X6M & Efficyent dynamics... Yeah, right

The newest and most sophisticated technology from the US

2.000 km trip back home in one day

Frankfurt-Ingolstadt-Zurich-Zagreb-Split in one day

http://s1003.photobucket.com/albums/af153/CroDriver/?action=view&current=IAA091208.jpg

Why I like Germany... When you see this:

...you can drive as fast as you want...

But you can't do it for long because of the traffic

This is your enemy if you're driving to fast

 

[thomas]

Looks like a good place to spend a few days of holiday next year

 

[amberwolf]

Photobucket bandwidth exceeded.

 

[John in CR]

Photobucket sucks. All I get is spam telling me to upgrade to their Pro version.

John

 

[TylerDurden]

PM sent to CroDriver...

In the meantime, here's the album:
http://s1003.photobucket.com/albums/af153/CroDriver/

 

[CroDriver]

The photos should be back now...

 

[liveforphysics]

Great pictures! Thank you for shareing them with us!

 

[bigmoose]

This post deleted when I blew up my scuttling charges... about a day and a half too early. Content is unrecoverable... but you can infer my intention!

 

[CroDriver]

Ditto Luke's comments! Outstanding pix. It is also clear that "Elvis has left the building..." the electric locomotion revolution will be led from outside the USA... compliments to the thinkers and innovators around the world!

I wouldn't be so sure that USA is not in the leading position...

I'm in Europe. The only thing I buy for my electric cars here are DC motors. Everything else comes from USA and China

Just look at the companies you got:

A123 Systems

AC Propulsion

Tesla

UQM

Fisker

...

 

[spinningmagnets]

"...The industry already offers complete hybrid and EV solutions, the car makers just have to say "I want that". I don't understand what they're waiting for..."

In spite of careful and thorough polling of potential customers, the original 2-seat Honda Isight and the Honda Accord V6 hybrids had to be discontinued in the US due to low sales. Many customers "asked" for them, but when finally presented with a choice, they bought a Toyota Prius.

With Prius selling over a million units so far, the new 2010 Insight and Ford Fusion hybrid both look very similar to the 2010 Prius...I am a big fan of EV's and Plug-in hybrids, but I can understand the frustration when a company makes multi-million dollar decisions based on what customers ask for, then the same customers don't buy what they said they would.

It also takes a couple years (at least!) from "I want that" to..."here's the keys, your neighbors will be soo jealous!", and the global economic downturn has thrown many long-term plans off-the-tracks. I DO like the heads-up speed display on the inside of the windsheild.

Just for fun, here's a pic of a 1938 Auto-Union high-speed attempt car...268-mph/432-kph. The new 4-electric motor version shown above (at the EV show) implies "we set a record 71 years ago with gasoline, and we will set another record soon with electricty"

 

[CroDriver]

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Just for fun, here's a pic of a 1938 Auto-Union high-speed attempt car...268-mph/432-kph. The new 4-electric motor version shown above (at the EV show) implies "we set a recod 71 years ago with gasoline, and we will set another record soon with electricty"

Oh, you misunderstood something... This was not an EV show, it is a general automotive exhibition (the largest on the planet btw.).

I uploaded the EV photos only since this is a EV forum

I have tons of non EV-related photos too

 

[spinningmagnets]

Ah! I apologize. I misunderstood what picture the caption was for:

"400hp electric car concept. 4 AC motors, 42 kWh liquid cooled li-ion battery"

 

[AussieJester]

Awesome pictures CroDriver thanks for sharing them, would of loved to of been there in person.

The BMW was impressive-->

KiM

 

[liveforphysics]

Its rare to see a collection of vehicles in one place with at least 2 capable of besting my daily driver civic in a drag race. I guess I need do a more serious engine build if I ever go to Frankfurt.

The drivetrain technology certainly isn't the limiting factor that limits electric cars, and your excellent photos well illustrate that point. It all comes down to the immature energy storage system technology.

Did you see anything from EEstor by chance? It seems they claim to be holding the silver bullet to slay the key flaw of electric vehicles. Fingers crossed that they are not bluffing!

 

[HAL9000v2.0]

Ooooo, nice to see you here, Mate. :lol:


I understand that every producer came with some sort of electric stuff...
...only Luca di Montezemolo came with brand new V16 with 1000Hp....

 

[CroDriver]

uote="spinningmagnets"]Ah! I apologize. I misunderstood what picture the caption was for:

"400hp electric car concept. 4 AC motors, 42 kWh liquid cooled li-ion battery"[/quote]

Looks like the photos got a little mixed up. This caption was meant for the red Audi

Its rare to see a collection of vehicles in one place with at least 2 capable of besting my daily driver civic in a drag race. I guess I need do a more serious engine build if I ever go to Frankfurt.

The drivetrain technology certainly isn't the limiting factor that limits electric cars, and your excellent photos well illustrate that point. It all comes down to the immature energy storage system technology.

Did you see anything from EEstor by chance? It seems they claim to be holding the silver bullet to slay the key flaw of electric vehicles. Fingers crossed that they are not bluffing!

EEstor? Never heard of them...

Ooooo, nice to see you here, Mate. :lol:


I understand that every producer came with some sort of electric stuff...
...only Luca di Montezemolo came with brand new V16 with 1000Hp....

Hi Hal

With their 0,00001 % world market share they won't save the planet with ecological cars.

I would like them to continue build gas powered sport cars. Just in case I miss the V8/V10/V12 sound in my EVs

 

[AussieJester]

I would like them to continue build gas powered sport cars. Just in case I miss the V8/V10/V12 sound in my EVs

Amen to that...I hope i dont live long enough to see the end of the V8 V10 V12 engined cars...

OK Ok OK Luke your lil 4 pot screamer V8 killer Civic doesn't sound to bad either i must admit ...any more footage from Battle of The Imports?

KiM

 

[Lock]

More EV pics (cars, electric and hybrid) at Frankfurt:
http://www.drivesolar.org/en/frankfurt2009.html

tks
lOcK

 

[317537]

i had to wait quite some time for the pics to load before i could get to the reply button.

Drools. Awesome show. This is the future, we can only be so lucky.

Nice and very clean.

 

[bart71298]

"This is your enemy if you're driving to fast"

Nope. Those are not for speeding, those are for the automatic toll collection for trucks.

 

[CroDriver]

"This is your enemy if you're driving to fast"

Nope. Those are not for speeding, those are for the automatic toll collection for trucks.

Wrong.

The toll collect sensors are much smaller.

I'm driving a lot trough Europe so I have to know such things