Tongxin vs. Cute vs. Bafang

hillyterrain

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My girlfriend has a nice roadbike and loves to ride it just as is, but since I'm about to slab a GNG 450W middrive on my bike I want her to keep up and go further, so I thought to build her a second front wheel with a little 250W geared hub motor so she could convert it from normal to electric with the flip of a quick release. The Tongxin, Cute and Bafang all seem to be fine options, are there any reasons to go for one over another? What are the best places to source them?

I'm also looking for an economical controller that would do the job :)

And if I was to upgrade later, is a 250Watt AWD or a 500W single drive better? Would I use one controller to drive both 250W motors or should I have individual controllers for each?

Thanks so much!!
 
hillyterrain said:
My girlfriend has a nice roadbike and loves to ride it just as is, but since I'm about to slab a GNG 450W middrive on my bike I want her to keep up and go further, so I thought to build her a second front wheel with a little 250W geared hub motor so she could convert it from normal to electric with the flip of a quick release. The Tongxin, Cute and Bafang all seem to be fine options, are there any reasons to go for one over another? What are the best places to source them?

I'm also looking for an economical controller that would do the job :)

And if I was to upgrade later, is a 250Watt AWD or a 500W single drive better? Would I use one controller to drive both 250W motors or should I have individual controllers for each?

Thanks so much!!
This is a well discussed subject.
Click on my username and search back a little though my posts and you will find lot's of discussion on the merits of Bafang vs. Cute Vs. MXUS(forget the Tongxin).
Whatever you get, just buy the kit with the prebuilt wheel and controller.

And if I was to upgrade later, is a 250Watt AWD or a 500W single drive better?
That's a good question. Those of us who have done it, like our AWD mini-motor conversions a lot.
But when D8veh(A master builder in England, who has built every conceivable type of low to medium-power conversion)was asked the same question, he responded that the larger(4 to 5 kg.)rear-mounted, geared motor(in his case, the Bafang BPM), running @ 1000 to 1200 Watts was his favorite. He mentioned, longivity, quietness, hill-climbing ability and ability to pedal assist as strengths with that conversion. He also thought, that for him, it exceeded all the mid-drives he's done, stating that the mid-drives needed more attention and were too easy to use large amounts of power.
I respect his opinion and am current building a 1200 Watt geared, rear drive to see how it compares to my FWD and AWD bikes.
 
I though so, But there is an obscure post, I think in the Non-Hub section, where he named the BMP rear his favorite.
I don't think the CST conversion has his prefered slow wind.
 
Thanks mototech, I will do some research on your posts ..

Maybe the simplest to ask is which kit is easiest and cheapest to get in / to ship to SF?
 
The Ananda Cute kits are the least expensive to buy and ithe easiest install by virture of their small size..
Shipping depends, run what you want though checkout at Elifebike, Greenbikeit and Bmsbattery to get and idea for that.
 
I've come to the conclusion that there's little to choose between the motors. The 250w Bafang is the work-horse. The Q100 is better for light weight bikes, but needs 17 amps to get the best out of it. The Tongxin is supposed to be the quietest, but the rollers can slip under high torque, and there's some questions about its robustness. I haven't tries the MXUS because for me (UK), they're not easy to get.

For higher power, my present favourite at 36v is the 500w Bafang CST. It's wound for 270 rpm, which means it can hold 20 to 22mph if you want. It has exactly the same speed and power characteristics as my 500w BPM (code 1, I think). I prefer the CST only for its cassette gears, but it costs a lot extra for that small gain. Inside the housing, Bafang have improved a lot of things. It's a real quality motor now, but having said that, I never had a problem with a BPM.

2-wheel-drive is better for slow riding on difficult surfaces like snow, mud and wet grass. You get the advantage of being able to use one motor for efficiency when the road's flat, and then you also get good efficiency with two motors when climbing. Apart from the better grip and balance, there's not really enough advantage to beat the simplicity of a single rear 500w motor. If you already had a single front 250w motor with a suitable (for 2 motors) battery, it might make sense to add an additional rear as an upgrade.

For 2WD, you need two controllers, two throttles (or one double throttle - see threads) and one battery capable of giving at least 30 amps.You could use your main motor on PAS, and have the second motor on a single throttle for boost. This would work well if you had a controller with variable PAS like the KU65 or one with an LCD panel like those from Conhismotor.

You won't be able to swap between powered and unpowered bikes at the flick of a quick release lever. Most of these small motors have solid 10x12mm axles, so are bolted on with nuts. Depending on your forks, you might want a torque arm as well. Plus you have to disconnect the wires, which can be complicated if you don't get a connector near the hub, although most now have them, but check with the supplier if that's important for you.

Where to get them from depends on the risk you want to take. The advantage of buying from Chinese companies like BMSBattery is that you get a large choice of batteries. When you buy the cheaper kits locally, they tend to have batteries of limited power, which means that it's not so easy to get decent climbing power, which can be important if you weigh 90kg or more, but not so important if you're a 50kg waif. The Chinese seem to have improved a lot during the last couple of years, but warranty isn't practical because of the high cost of sending stuff back, but then you get the stuff so much cheaper.
 
d8veh said:
Where to get them from depends on the risk you want to take. The advantage of buying from Chinese companies like BMSBattery is that you get a large choice of batteries. When you buy the cheaper kits locally, they tend to have batteries of limited power, which means that it's not so easy to get decent climbing power, which can be important if you weigh 90kg or more, but not so important if you're a 50kg waif. The Chinese seem to have improved a lot during the last couple of years, but warranty isn't practical because of the high cost of sending stuff back, but then you get the stuff so much cheaper.

I'd like to add with BMSBattery, you have no repair, no refunds and NOT EVEN VOUCHERS for the next order if your item failed.

Discussion thread:
Me:
"I'll probably buy few additional motors later. Is it possible to send a voucher to be used?"

Bin Li:
"Sorry , i don't have right to make any vouchers , and our products are at bottom price , i could not give any discounts now."

You can buy from them at your own risks... I'm looking for better seller now. :/
 
Am I the only married one here that heard "I like my bike how it is" responded with "Too bad, I'm want you to go faster"?


Although this is an ebike forum, not a marriage counselling forum, I think we need to have some stern words with the OP!
 
I have ordered three q100 front kits from greenbikekit and have really liked all of them. The slower RPM / higher torque ones.
The stock "250W" controller with the bottle battery kit actually pulls about 490W from the bottle battery. Once they did leave the torque arms out, and sent me some more immediately.
I am surprised they didn't help with the charger above.

The bafang is a much larger motor - so heavier, but it's larger radius means it will always deliver more starting torque.

I only have about 5 stops on my way to work so the cute is excellent, just run it up to speed and cruise. I don;t need the extra torque/weight of the larger diameter motors for that bike.

I ended up taking my ezee (almost same as Bafang BPM in size/power) off my lightweight commuter and putting on the q100. It was too big. And the q100 kit is easily ridden as a normal bike, doesn't really feel noticeably different. You can see it here:
http://www.endless-sphere.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=45570&hilit=+globe#p664805

I have plenty of bigger powered geared hubs, but the cute is ideal for commuter/girlfreind builds IMHO.
 
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