Why are there so few ICU beds?, page 17

[Dauntless]

However these particles will still be diffusing through the air. None of these masks filter them. Poor fitment makes this even worse. A common HVAC system will have them circulating throughout a building. A large number of people hanging out in a building will result in a lot of transmission. This is a huge problem in hospitals actually.

If that were true, once one person got a virus in a hospital everyone would have it. Yet, 99% of the time, they do not get it. Why?

Because, as always, you're wrong, one in the hospital will not give it to everyone for reasons that are well known.

. . . .therefore, the infectious dose may be hundreds of particles, Dr. Rasmussen said.

Generally, people who harbor high levels of pathogens — whether from influenza, H.I.V. or SARS — tend to have more severe symptoms and are more likely to pass on the pathogens to others.

But in the case of the new coronavirus, people who have no symptoms seem to have viral loads — that is, the amount of virus in their bodies — just as high as those who are seriously ill, according to some studies.

And coronavirus patients are most infectious two to three days before symptoms begin, less so after the illness really hits.

Some people are generous transmitters of the coronavirus; others are stingy. So-called super-spreaders seem to be particularly gifted in transmitting it, although it’s unclear whether that’s because of their biology or their behavior.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/29/health/coronavirus-transmission-dose.html

As we have learned during the COVID-19 pandemic, one of the main functions of a face mask is to remind oneself of invisible dangers and to signal to others that one is taking those risks seriously. In the United States they have become something like an article of faith, a way of indicating publicly that one belongs to those who take “the science” seriously.

https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/08/01/the-sociologist-who-could-save-us-from-coronavirus/?utm_source=pocket-newtab

 

[goatman]

if i read Neptronix accurately. he suggests if your having trouble performing sexually
1: lay off the beans
2: get your zinc levels up

if that still doesnt work

you might want to tell her to put a mask on

 

[JackFlorey]

I couldnt imagine being a teacher and having to wear a mask for their measly 6 hrs of work.

Ask a doctor what it's like to wear one for 12.

 

[Dauntless]

I couldnt imagine being a teacher and having to wear a mask for their measly 6 hrs of work.

Ask a doctor what it's like to wear one for 12.

Ask them how long they actually wear them. Good thing they don't make speeches, etc., the way teachers do.

i think the only one of us collecting a cheque is Seymour

Someone is paying him to go away? THAT is why he's here?

 

[neptronix]

if i read Neptronix accurately. he suggests if your having trouble performing sexually
1: lay off the beans
2: get your zinc levels up

if that still doesnt work

you might want to tell her to put a mask on

:lol:

 

[Dauntless]

And you're saying the mask is replacing the bag?

 

[goatman]

well ya but in this scenario you still get laid

 

[Dauntless]

I was referring to the thing where if she's ugly enough you put a bag over her head.

What were YOU referring to? Or, maybe don't answer. . . .

 

[Dauntless]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/most-of-the-coronavirus-tests-the-us-does-are-worthless-but-theres-a-solution-that-could-actually-work-and-stop-the-spread-154815346.html

Miraculously this will work, eh?

 

[goatman]

there is those studies coming out that Countries using hydroxychloroquine early on had a 79% lower death rate than the US.

does that mean the media and democrats should be blamed for 100,000 plus covid deaths in America?

 

[Dauntless]

Yeah. Regardless. The media especially, with their disinformation campaign.

 

[markz]

The Fake News is getting bad, the click bait titles is getting even worse.

 

[neptronix]

The Fake News is getting bad, the click bait titles is getting even worse.

Good, maybe it'll become more apparent to most it's toxic garbage nature and they'll stop reading it and falling into an impotent emotional fervor.

 

[JackFlorey]

there is those studies coming out that Countries using hydroxychloroquine early on had a 79% lower death rate than the US.

So in other words - most countries in the world?

There may be a reason for that other than HCL. New Zealand had a 100x lower death rate than we did; they didn't use HCL.

So perhaps Trump (and Trump supporters) bear the responsibility for 99 deaths out of 100 here in the US.

 

[markz]

We all know who bears responsibility for the pandemic virus.

 

[goatman]

well NZ is an island you can also look at the median age of the country. USA/39, Italy/46. Africa/ 16 to 18.

it is the WuFlu but

when you think big Pharma owns the media it makes sense they want their pills used

somethings going on between Trump and Big Pharma Industry. he just lowered drug costs by bypassing the middlemen in the USA. no more need to travel to Canada for cheap penicillin. basically every drug there is has to be sold to Americans at the lowest price any other country can buy it.

interesting speech he gave yesterday if you go to 24:45 of this video speaking of it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzxvF2GS6_Q

 

[Dauntless]

We all know who bears responsibility for the pandemic virus.

Oh MSNBC and CNN conspired for a story to top the #Obamagate fate Russian interference because the NY Times and WaPo have won Pulitzer prizes for what was PROVEN to be fake news.

https://www.realclearinvestigations.com/articles/2019/04/09/why_last_years_trump-russia_pulitzer_was_no_prize.html

The Fake News is getting bad, the click bait titles is getting even worse.

Good, maybe it'll become more apparent to most it's toxic garbage nature and they'll stop reading it and falling into an impotent emotional fervor.

Oh, you mean like the way the 'National Enquirer' only lasted a few issues.

Ever notice now some people LIKE impotent emotional fervor?

 

[Dauntless]

https://advances.sciencemag.org/content/early/2020/08/07/sciadv.abd3083

Results
We tested 14 commonly available masks or masks alternatives, one patch of mask material, and a professionally fit-tested N95 mask (see Fig. 2 and Table 1 for details). For reference, we recorded control trials where the speaker wore no protective mask or covering. Each test was performed with the same protocol. The camera was used to record a video of approximately 40 s length to record droplets emitted while speaking. The first 10 s of the video serve as baseline. In the next 10 s, the mask wearer repeated the sentence “Stay healthy, people” five times (speech), after which the camera kept recording for an additional 20 s (observation). For each mask and for the control trial, this protocol was repeated 10 times. We used a computer algorithm (see Materials and Methods) to count the number of particles within each video.

 

[JackFlorey]

We all know who bears responsibility for the pandemic virus.

Yes, we do - a sick bat.

 

[Balmorhea]

We all know who bears responsibility for the pandemic virus.

Yes, we do - a sick bat.

But for its rampant proliferation in the USA, it was a sick bastard.

 

[Dauntless]

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But for its rampant proliferation in the USA, it was a sick bastard.

Oh, now it's on to blaming the founder of BLM for getting them to riot together and spread the virus just as we were winning, is it? But aren't you glad the President restricted travel from there when the Democrats wanted to keep it coming?

Oh, my mother bought her land from a member of the Rhea family. Probably the son of the one in your name. He's gone now, too.

 

[goatman]

We all know who bears responsibility for the pandemic virus.

Yes, we do - a sick bat.

But for its rampant proliferation in the USA, it was a sick bastard.

how do you know it was a bastard and not a bitch, also, what if patient zero identified as a "they" but "they" was really a Vampire, and what if covid only kills Vampires?

 

[Dauntless]

. . . .what if patient zero identified as a "they" but "they" was really a Vampire. . . ?

Or Zee? Or Zim?

 

[sn0wchyld]

America has 4% of the worlds population but has 23% of covid-19 deaths. What is America doing different? try not wearing masks and not isolating. Is that so damn hard to do?

Also, apparently the UK has a virus test that only takes 90 min, or less to get the results. Is America incapable of making these tests? I think the trump administration has actively suppressed testing so as not to make fearless leader look bad. (as if that was possible).

Perhaps then you can explain why parts of northern europe, with mask wearing rates at or below 10%, have the same (or perhaps less) rates of death and case rate than other parts of the EU (or USA for that matter) despite those having rates above 90%?

It doesn't prove they're ineffective, but that they are at the very least, not primary in preventing spread/death, and that there's almost certainly other factors involved in their efficacy (such as quality of mask, method of use, etc etc etc). It may reduce aerosoles for instance, but if you touch the mask even once then dont disinfect before touching anything else then your efficacy just dropped dramatically (How often do you think people are doing that? ), similar to having blown your snotty nose into your palm 'bushman style' then neglected to wipe it off on your trousers before shaking someones hand, or touching a door handle.

methodology on categorisation is also worthy of discussion... ie died with or from? some countries use the former, some the later, some other methods entirely. case rate too - inclusion of antibody tests, or just active case tests? and rate of testing in country... some broad scale testing (seems common using pregnant women) in several countries suggests rates of infection are 10-100 x higher than 'official' rates. complicating further is the fact that some antibody tests cant differentiate between C19 and some types of the common cold.

But yea... we totally know which country is doing better and why. Our data differs between each country for a whole host of reasons, many of which have an unknown/immeasurable impact on the actual values, certainly without a detailed study of evey measured countries methods... but hey. frock trump right, cause its clearly worse there. /s

Masks will keep the goobers off, which is better than nothing. What is your answer? Just go belly up and hope for the best? Maybe trot down to the church and pray to a higher being?

Sorry, but I can't just do nothing and wait for others to fix it or not. I'll keep wearing the mask.


DUMP tRUMP

dude... he literally answered that in the very post your bitching about. Guess I should expect you to now accuse me of saying the USA is doing best of all, despite my claim that comparing results between countries is almost irreparably flawed?

 

[Matt Gruber]

I used to get a cold/flu every year. then i read how they are transmitted. so i kept my distance past 30+ years- NO FLU, no flu shot, not a single cold. never wore a mask, but i'd leave the room if anybody appeared sick. So now i'm pleased to wear a mask, but it is the distance that keeps you safe, imo.
In ITALY they all kiss on the cheek as a greeting. They could NOT stop this habit, and needed lock downs.
Here, i often have to walk away from people that want to stand too close to talk. they can't STOP, just like those in Italy
the mask imo, reminds people there is a PROBLEM! it may help, that is why Dr's wear them 8) But to stay away from people has worked 100% for 30+ years for me 8)