Wind and Solar vs Coal, Gasoline, Nuclear

[ZeroEm]

China has only cut back when they started killing there people by the thousands, not because they want to go green.
Same as here our City is starting to get bad air quality. They give warning of do not fuel up because of the Ozone.

 

[Hillhater]

China ( and India etc) .. has not “cut back” on FFuels,
Infact they will continue to increase consumption , and emissions, until 2060. As agreed with the IPCC !

 

[markz]

Isnt China building new coal plants?

Dunno about Yale Env 360 but
https://e360.yale.edu/features/despite-pledges-to-cut-emissions-china-goes-on-a-coal-spree

Coal remains at the heart of China’s flourishing economy. In 2019, 58 percent of the country’s total energy consumption came from coal, which helps explain why China accounts for 28 percent of all global CO2 emissions. And China continues to build coal-fired power plants at a rate that outpaces the rest of the world combined. In 2020, China brought 38.4 gigawatts of new coal-fired power into operation, more than three times what was brought on line everywhere else.

 

[Ianhill]

The uk has gone green crazy the queen is there spouting off about carbon footprint while she got 3 show homes enough for hundreds of average folks carbon footprint to be swallowed up.

Attenborough another hypoctical wanker traveled the earth high and low with a team big enough to go to mars capturing animal selfies and telling you or me just driving to work is a sin the twat jets off to his workplace.

The great reset is already happening the money printers go brrrrrr brrrrrr hyper inflation is happening and they continue to brrrr away, its like voting to go on a scenic drive to end up in a destruction derby event and your cars on track with out knowledge of why the opposing team has a hardon to destroy you.

 

[nicobie]

I don't know whether to say, 'isn't that a bit harsh?' or 'so, how do you really feel about it?'

So far in the US we are not seeing hyper inflation. Shortage caused price adjustments due to the criminal government's responsive to Covid is a different thing.

I still say the bastard should be locked up for what he did, and serve double time for what he didn't.

 

[Hillhater]

I still say the bastard should be locked up for what he did, and serve double time for what he didn't.

I dont see anything harsh ?
? Who are you referring to ?...Biden ?, Mann,? ..Fauchi ?,..Trump?, .. Attenborough?, ..Mickey Mouse ?
...or have you just posted on the wrong thread ?

 

[ZeroEm]

If your from the USA you know exactly what he's talking about. Part of the price issues is from tariffs. We won't lock him up. Just might give him a chance to finish what he started.

 

[markz]

In Canada, you'd/he'd get a slap on the wrist, little to no jail time.

Cases are being thrown out because due process has been infringed upon due to covid and the courts being backed up. You have a right to due process in due time. Many people who have murdered are walking free in Canada. A mass murderer is walking free, a beheader is walking free.

 

[TheBeastie]

Here it is!
China’s Climate Goals Hinge on a $440 Billion Nuclear Buildout
China is planning at least 150 new reactors in the next 15 years, more than the rest of the world has built in the past 35.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2021-11-02/china-climate-goals-hinge-on-440-billion-nuclear-power-plan-to-rival-u-s
^150 new nuclear reactor/power-stations in China, that's a hell of a commitment...


And here is the reminder of why nuclear really is the currently available only solution vs wind/solar. That being you can never get enough wind or solar... as shown on electricitymap.org
Despite Germany spending and having a truly massive amount of wind-farms, the wind doesn't always blow so they thus end up emitting 23x times MORE co2 then nuclear based states/countries.
If we were comparing these technologies like cars and one car emitted 23 times more co2 then the other car it would be considered a complete joke, but we do it everyday with wind/solar renewables. That's the power of politics and MSM broadcast media on peoples minds.
^ electricitymap.org now at this very hour Germany is emitting 23x times more CO2 than nuclear based state Ontario in Canada serving 15million people. Compare with Germany who have 63GW of installed wind-farms but it's only currently generating around 4GW (or 7%) of electricity due to no wind. How can you make it "better"? Installing more wind farms obviously won't work. If we only have a few more years before the world overheats from too much CO2 then is it really a climate emergency or is it politics?

And France serving 66million people with 27grams of co2 per kilowatt hour 10 to 20 times less CO2 than Germany or the tiny population of South Australia at less than 2million people.
Will China in 15 years time look like this? That really would be a remarkable sight and I think logically be the envy of the world.


And here is the current state of emissions from China...
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10131511/China-responsible-climate-change-historic-emissions-taken-account.html

I just watched the live stream of ABC's Q and A which was about renewables/nuclear/co2 etc.
I can't believe how uninformative it is, you would learn more chewing on cardboard, but this is where 95% of people gain their knowledge of the world, via forcibly taxpayer extracted and funded broadcast TV, such a backwards ancient technology compared to the internet. It sickens me to the gut that people watch ABC broadcast TV and actually believed they are being informed adequately.
I really believe the world would be a far better place if all TV broadcast spectrum was re-allocated to internet-only technology like 5G/Starlink/Project-Kuiper/etc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-FaT3CR3Eqo
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Another one of those supposedly "debunked" :lol: reports from this time expert engineers from Volvo about how the production of electric cars requires FAR more energy and thus more co2 emissions than petroleum cars to fully manufacture. This because there is a lot of co2 emitted making the copper/nickel/metals/materials for the big lithium battery which adds notable weight to the car...
But like the previous estimates, their claim is once you have driven it a certain distance by recharging it via nuclear/renewables then you have broken even and from there on you are being more green .
Still there are a lot of drivers out there that really struggle to not destroy a car beyond repairability in under 70,000km

https://www.msn.com/en-au/motoring/news/volvo-says-electric-car-making-emissions-are-70-higher-than-petrol/ar-AAQjyFK?ocid=msedgntp
On this analysis they include a chart diagram for electric vs petroleum fueled car break even points based on fuel source.
As you can see on the diagram, the cleaner your recharge source then the less distance you need to drive before you beat a petroleum car emissions.
https://img-s-msn-com.akamaized.net/tenant/amp/entityid/AAQjq8f.img?h=832&w=1598&m=6&q=60&u=t&o=f&l=f

 

[miro13car]

Well Alberta , Canada is going to complete the biggest solar farm in this country in 2022.
but wait sun does not shine at night, right? - what a wastage ha ha.
and this is happening in tar sands dirty oil region.

 

[markz]

There are ads up for hiring solar techs to train for a Travers Solar Project farm se of cow town, near the Star Trek township with landing pad n all.

If anyone cares to apply
https://www.kijiji.ca/v-general-labour-jobs/calgary/urgently-hiring-solar-technicians-laborers/1586798873?undefined

Or make $20/hr at Cargill and become a Vegetarian quickly.

Well Alberta , Canada is going to complete the biggest solar farm in this country in 2022.
but wait sun does not shine at night, right? - what a wastage ha ha.
and this is happening in tar sands dirty oil region.

 

[Hillhater]

Here it is!
China’s Climate Goals Hinge on a $440 Billion Nuclear Buildout
China is planning at least 150 new reactors in the next 15 years, more than the rest of the world has built in the past 35.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2021-11-02/china-climate-goals-hinge-on-440-billion-nuclear-power-plan-to-rival-u-s
^150 new nuclear reactor/power-stations in China, that's a hell of a commitment...

And the joke is they want the rest of the world to pay for it to be done !
The COP(out) 26 “partyfest” in Glasgow has proposed that FFuels be eliminated by 2050 (or maybe that was 2030 ?).
And that $3.+ TRILLION should be donated by “Developed” nations to fund the elimination of FFuels in “Developing” nations.
With China being classed as a “Developing” nation, you can see what that means !
What none of those DikWits seem to accept is that 80%+ of the energy consumption in the world , comes from FFuels.
And it has taken 30+ years for RE sources to reach that other 20%...most of that being Hydro and the low hanging fruit of Prime Wind and Solar locations.
It “aint gonna happen “ !

 

[ZeroEm]

Blah Blah Blah': Greta Thunberg mocks world leaders on climate change

I'm going to charge EV during the day thru home solar. should cut down on my foot print. Yes size 12.

Hate to say it but i'm for Nuclear or we can just cut the lights off at night. Coal and Gasoline needs to go.

 

[markz]

Yeah, your for Nuclear until its in your back yard. Most are that way on everything.
Yeah get the bums off the street, then someone buys a hotel to convert and the surrounding community is no no no not in my community.

I like Corb Lunds music, but he drives big trucks, promotes big trucks in his videos to keep up the Cowboy image to gain more money. The natives blockade for pipelines, they were driving big trucks. Train derail and pollute, more goes wrong with train shipments.

Greta Thunberg :lol:
Puppet
Money making puppet, free trip puppet, gifts

Blah Blah Blah': Greta Thunberg mocks world leaders on climate change

I'm going to charge EV during the day thru home solar. should cut down on my foot print. Yes size 12.

Hate to say it but i'm for Nuclear or we can just cut the lights off at night. Coal and Gasoline needs to go.

 

[Hillhater]

Hate to say it but i'm for Nuclear or we can just cut the lights off at night. Coal and Gasoline needs to go.

Why do you. “hate to say it “..?
Fossils may become much less used, but oil in particular will never stop being used.
It is the source of too many important chemicals and products (plastics) that have yet to be synthisized.
If we dont source the energy to maintain our economies and services, the Nuclear you dont want ..may end up being a foreign nuke warhead in your back yard !

 

[markz]

Many plastics can't be recycled.
They may say their product can be recycled, and yes, sure it can with lots of extra unreasonable costs associated with it.
Those sealed individual coffee pouches for example. Why don't they ban those? Lobby pays politicians, its a scam.
Many stores claim they recycle, they don't..... like Starbucks, Timmies etc.
Instead of taking away my plastic straws and plastic bags, why not crack down on the packaging of foods. Meat aisle, dairy/cheese aisle, bread aisle. Take away my straws, but use plastic to bag buns.... gotcha.
Wrapingg proodducts in paper ddoesnt sell.

 

[Ianhill]

30,000 tons of plastic or something is gonna be caotured from the oceans then i seen the plan and i was like thus the best we can do ? Its a marketing opportunity been spun.

The plastic thats recycled will be turned into pellets and back into designer sunglasses and other poor use case products.

Then theres the global warming problem are we not using tug boats and many shitloads of tons of carbon to capture this stuff and in turn adding acidity to the oceans the capture needs to happen in a clean manor then be transformed into roads etc not items that will end up back where they came from with no difference in how they deteriate.

Seems energy intesive and poor end game in my eyes.

 

[ZeroEm]

San Antonio gets part of it's power from Nuclear, it's out West of the city. Did not say I liked it. Have thought about it and animals seem to do better with radiation than pollution from oil. We are addicted from all this power and need to get it from somewhere.

by markz » Nov 05 2021 8:28pm

Yeah, your for Nuclear until its in your back yard.

I agree with you, we will never stop using oil until it gets to expensive to use. Yes, oil is in everything and always looking to put it into more and expand the market.
That is why we are using more every year. So don't fear it will go away. After this year I see that the human race is doomed. But life without us will go on.

by Hillhater » Nov 05 2021 11:05pm

Why do you. “hate to say it “..?
Fossils may become much less used, but oil in particular will never stop being used.

I agree recycling is a scam. This year we only put in the Green can what they are recycling and it's not much. The rest just goes into the trash, that will save them time.
Water bottles (We don't use), Plastic milk containers and metals. The rest of the plastic goes into the waste bin.

by Ianhill » Nov 06 2021 12:15am

30,000 tons of plastic or something is gonna be caotured from the oceans then i seen the plan and i was like thus the best we can do ? Its a marketing opportunity been spun.

The plastic thats recycled will be turned into pellets and back into designer sunglasses and other poor use case products.

Then theres the global warming problem are we not using tug boats and many shitloads of tons of carbon to capture this stuff and in turn adding acidity to the oceans the capture needs to happen in a clean manor then be transformed into roads etc not items that will end up back where they came from with no difference in how they deteriate.

Seems energy intesive and poor end game in my eyes.

 

[ZeroEm]

This is the stuff I like. I like natural gas anyway but to add a mix of hydrogen would be a 25% reduction/storage.

Adding hydrogen to natural gas pipelines
Electrolyzer. solar electrolysis
Electrolyzer front with electrical panel closest / Wikimedia Commons

One way to encourage manufacture of more electrolyzers would be to mix green hydrogen with natural gas. Engineers long assumed that elemental hydrogen would leak out of natural gas pipes and cause a safety hazard. It turns out that blending as much as 25% hydrogen with natural gas doesn’t cause seepage or harm pipes.

In 2018, Paris-based energy firm Engie started a pilot program to mix green hydrogen in natural gas pipelines in the village of Cappelle-la-Grande. Extensive testing has led to public acceptance. The blend has reduced the village’s carbon emissions from furnaces, stoves, and hot water heaters by 7%. It therefore provides cleaner air. The added hydrogen enables the natural gas to burn more completely.

In addition, companies in Germany and France are seeking financing and approval to build 100-megawatt electrolyzers. One of them can even use an existing and currently empty pipeline. The largest electrolyzer now in operation is only 10 megawatts.

Still, fear of the potential for hydrogen explosions can slow its acceptance for grid-scale use. Research into enhancing hydrogen safety continues.

This kind of project is not hydrogen energy storage, but it can increase the market for hydrogen enough to make it look more attractive to investors.

Adding hydrogen to natural gas pipelines

 

[Toorbough ULL-Zeveigh]

hey hey markyZ.
kwiki es search shows you've never even once mentioned Ab's grand plans for blew hydrogen.
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[Hillhater]

Re H2 +Natural Gas mix...
This makes interesting reading.
I doubt we will be using a 25% mix anytime soon for general use.
http://members.igu.org/html/wgc2006/pdf/paper/add11558.pdf

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8. CONCLUSIONS
The consequences of hydrogen addition to natural gas for the performance of end-use equipment, such as increased safety risk caused by decreased flame stability and the negative environmental impact of increased NOx emissions, must be weighed against any potential benefits in terms of reductions in greenhouse emissions when considering transition scenarios involving using natural gas/hydrogen mixtures to integrate hydrogen, sustainable or otherwise, into the energy infrastructure.
If, as discussed above, we consider the effects of hydrogen addition on the behavior of industrial and domestic burners, spark-ignited gas engines and gas turbines it becomes clear that each generic application has its own characteristic response for which a specific gas-quality specification regarding hydrogen is necessary. The possible future modification of equipment design for increased hydrogen tolerance will thus also require a tailor-made approach.

 

[Ianhill]

Ive heard about the mix gas supply uk has been talking on make the swap.

Is see it as adding to existing supply to extend the useful life of the infrastructure and extend how much we burn at rhe same time we talk green, boilers use external exhaust but not gas hobs they exhaust direct to the room and if its creating nox they will be banned on using the new mix in the home induction hobs will have to take over adding more stress to the grid.

Plus boilers will need catalytic converters on the flue to keep the nox from giving us all asthmas etc sounds a messy future once again.

I fuked off to the limit with hearing green talk and wasging a green wash of cash over everything they while tv soaps spout off about carbon trying to create a debat again with people talking nothing about what they know ive tryed 3 years to build a picture and i see at the begining i knew nothing and im a fraction of the way in and already i see nothing but mess.

 

[ZeroEm]

I took it as making it cleaner burning. They did say complete burn, they may not be the same. I'm for a cleaner burn less cost to clean up emissions. I would like to extend the Natural gas supply. It is great for heating. Not oil, or coal.

 

[Hillhater]

Cleaner...? In as much as 10% hydrogen in the gas means 10% less Methane burned, hence 10% less CO2 produced.... (but more NOx !)
But what is the “cost to clean up”. CO2 emissions. ? ... trees and plants do that for free , and they thrive on it.
CO2 is not a pollutant ,..it is an essential for all forms of life to survive and thrive !

 

[Ianhill]

Climate change is almost as wild as flat earth, but not because the idea is flawed but the conclusion and reactions.

Like ive said #clean oceans *scam same for plant a tree as they planted them there was in increase in deforestation, in my area alone theres been hectres removed labeled with dutch elm disease and some how swapped out with wind turbines.

Strange thing is the wood looked fine got packed ontoo lorrys and sent to lumber processing yards so theres a look how clean I'm with this hand while the others covered in blood.

Goverments world wide need collapsing but here starts the anarchy they won't let the reigns go without some serious push.

The south African taxi wars is a good one to learn about we see war because we create it humans are strange creatures time shows all.