ZeroEm
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Talking about shutting down another Coal power plant here in San Antonio, TX, USA. Don't know what they are going to replace it with?
Wind and Solar vs Coal, Gasoline, Nuclear
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Voltron
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People are starting to acknowledge that they need to be shut down, even if there is no alternative yet besides living with very limited electricity.
Or our generation will condemn the future of the next generations, and leave them a planet that is a barely habitable cesspool of pollution.
Or our generation will condemn the future of the next generations, and leave them a planet that is a barely habitable cesspool of pollution.
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From what i understand a local coal plant to me has been mothballed the outer area cleaned but the steam turbines are waiting for a possible geothermal mod.
What i was told most of the plant will be removed but a small portion of the plant and the grid tie connection will be kept, either solar panels will litter the site or they looking at laser rock obliteration for a deep hole with a glass lining to pump geothermal out of.
Problems i see is a pump that can push 20 mile head of water vertical wont be no joke a fire engine might do 150 metres vertical something like that so the pump diaphram will need to be size of a cooling stack etc.
What i was told most of the plant will be removed but a small portion of the plant and the grid tie connection will be kept, either solar panels will litter the site or they looking at laser rock obliteration for a deep hole with a glass lining to pump geothermal out of.
Problems i see is a pump that can push 20 mile head of water vertical wont be no joke a fire engine might do 150 metres vertical something like that so the pump diaphram will need to be size of a cooling stack etc.
Hillhater
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Solar panels in the UK would be a bad joke !Ianhill said:
Unless i am mistaken , that deep Geothermal well is vertically DOWN. So the pump wont need to be supertsized to feed water down the hole ?
I too, am hopeful that deep Geo well technology can be commercialised and widely adopted to existing thermal generators.
That may take time, but until then, Modern coal technology can be very clean and efficient (low cost) ..even when burning low grade Lignite that is not priced by the international markets.
Hillhater
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Lets see how “people” react when they actually have to live with “limited electricity” blackouts, etc as Texans did last year !Voltronmedicing they are selling is more fatal said:
Its easy to nod agreement when some smooth talking hippocrit like Gore or Gretta paint a fake picture of imminent disaster,..
…..but the cure they are selling is more fatal than the reality of the status quo .
Voltron
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Not doing anything just passes the buck of the deadliness onto the next generation, but exponentially increased, as those who created the problems wallow in their unsustainably juiced up overconsumption, usually rejecting the notion they should have to change at all. Usually at the same time as trying to ridicule anything people try to solve the problem, because clean energy can't keep up with their bottomless energy demands, so it's not ever going to make enough power to satisfy them as "practical".
Voltron
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And the smooth talking hypocrites were the far right Texas politicians, who in an ideological crusade against "regulation" separated Texas from the national electric grid, and run their own, just to show the rest of 'em how Texas does it.
And then promised the developers it would be fine to build a bunch of big uninsulated American dreams houses that turn into death traps as soon as the umbilical cord is cut.
And then realized political slogans don't keep the juice on by magic as the same people that voted for their ideas died, while they flew off to Mexico to get out of the cold.
It was their lax regulations that left the power companies exempt from low temp upgrades for the natural gas plants to maximize profits. That's what caused the blackouts, not some shift to renewables like they tried to claim at first when it happened.
And then promised the developers it would be fine to build a bunch of big uninsulated American dreams houses that turn into death traps as soon as the umbilical cord is cut.
And then realized political slogans don't keep the juice on by magic as the same people that voted for their ideas died, while they flew off to Mexico to get out of the cold.
It was their lax regulations that left the power companies exempt from low temp upgrades for the natural gas plants to maximize profits. That's what caused the blackouts, not some shift to renewables like they tried to claim at first when it happened.
Hillhater
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The umbillical cords of power only work whilst the feeder states have surplus power to offload to those poorly prepared states who didnt plan correctly.
CA is a leader in RE power, ..but what would happen if those umbillical cords to other states were cut ??
CA is a leader in RE power, ..but what would happen if those umbillical cords to other states were cut ??
Voltron
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There's going to be lots of disruptions everywhere as the world has to face up to it's unsustainable bottomless desires for comfort and novelty.
California is no exception.
But at least we had enough sense to stay tied to the national electric grid, and not try to create our own isolated low budget under regulated time bomb like Texas did.
We just have Pacific Gas and Electric setting whole towns on fire from lax maintenance on transmission lines to maximize profits.
And they claim they're over regulated too.
California is no exception.
But at least we had enough sense to stay tied to the national electric grid, and not try to create our own isolated low budget under regulated time bomb like Texas did.
We just have Pacific Gas and Electric setting whole towns on fire from lax maintenance on transmission lines to maximize profits.
And they claim they're over regulated too.
ZeroEm
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Most of us know what the problems are. We use to much energy and using more everyday. I'm shocked that we are not changing faster. The way we build houses are one example. They do not insulate enough, fire prone and disassemble in high winds. Transportation is another and water waste, on and on.
I'm watching how crazy the weather is getting, shortage of fuel, water and food and it does not seem to faze anyone. The seem to think it will go back the way it was in the 50's,
I'm watching how crazy the weather is getting, shortage of fuel, water and food and it does not seem to faze anyone. The seem to think it will go back the way it was in the 50's,
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Science has proven with the correct choices theres many millennium of power left without covering the gaff in solar and wind turbines.
Lets be honest the housing crisis is nothing more than the world showing we have stepped backwards in a matter of days by simply pushing inflation beyond growth leaving business scrambling to survive and tell a tale of a green future when reality is the wrong choice are been made that leave poverty and war on the table, our sins are not called deadly for nothing.
Lets be honest the housing crisis is nothing more than the world showing we have stepped backwards in a matter of days by simply pushing inflation beyond growth leaving business scrambling to survive and tell a tale of a green future when reality is the wrong choice are been made that leave poverty and war on the table, our sins are not called deadly for nothing.
Hillhater
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Maybe because shortages of fuel, water, and food are all man made issues and hence can be corrected by man also.ZeroEm said:
Crazy weather ?… is only a figment of the media headline hunting.
Actual data shows the weather is ,if anything, getting calmer than previous centuries. !
ZeroEm
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Have a cheap weather station, thinking about up grading. San Antonio, TX, USA the media down plays the weather. In the evening they will tell you it's only 99°F, if you watch the same channel the next morning they will report the correct tempter, 100, 101, 102. I'm about 15-20 miles were they collect the data so i'm about 1° difference most of the time.
I look up historical data to compare and don't go surfing for stories to get me excited. Here is one data set, rainfall. we have had 6" this year or past 6 months. Now the average uses the last 10 yrs, it is now 29". Just a couple years ago average was 32". The most rain we have had is 49". Don't think we will see that again.
Well we agree on one thing it is man made. We are making more of it each day. Cattle ranching and farming in this area will not last. The water table is at a record low and lower each week.
I look up historical data to compare and don't go surfing for stories to get me excited. Here is one data set, rainfall. we have had 6" this year or past 6 months. Now the average uses the last 10 yrs, it is now 29". Just a couple years ago average was 32". The most rain we have had is 49". Don't think we will see that again.
Well we agree on one thing it is man made. We are making more of it each day. Cattle ranching and farming in this area will not last. The water table is at a record low and lower each week.
Hillhater
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??…. Too short of a time span for predictions !..
… there will be floods in the future, its just a matter of when .!
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La nina is mostly responsible for all america sees lately what areas are expecting changing weather patterns and how, theres a trend thats emerged even if some refuse to see or acknowledge the data.
The global ocean is a little warmer and so is the air, yes theres isolated areas of more rain and some with less in the area as la nina predicts for asia, australia and north/south america.
La nina is cooling of ocean surface temps and its been running for a few years but its alter ego el nino does the same in reverse, they tend to linger for a few years then have a year of unsettled weather and the opposing trend takes over.
I believe AI and supercomputers will give more clarity over time on the earths weather patterns to give better predictions and visability of anomaly forming, but as for stopping any of this pollution all the best blackrock has invested heavily in oil production and that shit will get burnt, leaked into the ocean and no shit given.
A 1000 barrel a day well was left open for over a decade in the gulf its was estimated by owners to be just 2 gallons and of no significant issue the us coast gaurd had to step in, the owner sued the coast guard and clean up operations team, they failed and had to pay 0.5 billion is damages.
Bp is a bigger firm more power with their gulf of mexico leak in 2010 they said nothing but a flesh wound just a mere 1000 barrels a day yet in reality it was 100 thousand barrels a day pissing into the ocean for hundreds of miles damaged to sludgey shit that sticky as glue and a little worse for life than just having chewing gum in your hair.
The global ocean is a little warmer and so is the air, yes theres isolated areas of more rain and some with less in the area as la nina predicts for asia, australia and north/south america.
La nina is cooling of ocean surface temps and its been running for a few years but its alter ego el nino does the same in reverse, they tend to linger for a few years then have a year of unsettled weather and the opposing trend takes over.
I believe AI and supercomputers will give more clarity over time on the earths weather patterns to give better predictions and visability of anomaly forming, but as for stopping any of this pollution all the best blackrock has invested heavily in oil production and that shit will get burnt, leaked into the ocean and no shit given.
A 1000 barrel a day well was left open for over a decade in the gulf its was estimated by owners to be just 2 gallons and of no significant issue the us coast gaurd had to step in, the owner sued the coast guard and clean up operations team, they failed and had to pay 0.5 billion is damages.
Bp is a bigger firm more power with their gulf of mexico leak in 2010 they said nothing but a flesh wound just a mere 1000 barrels a day yet in reality it was 100 thousand barrels a day pissing into the ocean for hundreds of miles damaged to sludgey shit that sticky as glue and a little worse for life than just having chewing gum in your hair.
ZeroEm
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I'm not making any predictions. Stating what is happing now. The oil companies 52 years ago predicted this would happen. So go talk to them about predictions.
Hillhater
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…?? Oil companies ?
..predicting weather 52 years ago ?
What were they using, ..a crystal ball ?…. Tea leaves ?
Even the worlds best super computers today, cannot predict the weather even a month ahead.!
ZeroEm
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You can not know about that. Ok, i'll play along. No they were not predicting details. In the 1970's oil companies had projections that if they kept dumping emissions in to the environment for decades it would have an adverse effect on the climate. This is a fact and is on record.
CONSIDERABLE SHOUTING
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ZeroEm said:
Bro it's Hillhater; people here have thought he was an oil company shill before, because he can never make up his mind about what he's gonna support lmao
Hillhater
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Ahh, “Projections”..!… So it was a crystal ball then !ZeroEm said:
There is nothing “factual” about a projection !
And there is still no scientific proof that emissions have an adverse effect on climate !
Hillhater
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“Bro”CONSIDERABLE SHOUTING said:
… you have that ass backwards, i know exactly what i support,….….but it is you who is having a hard time figuring out what that is ! :wink:
Chalo
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Hillhater said:
You are not only completely wrong on this point, but you're a zealot about being wrong. It's disgusting.
Hillhater
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Chalo said:
Words, acusations and insults are easy to post….
..but solid scientific proof is a little harder.!
Chalo
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Hillhater said:Chalo said:
Words, acusations and insults are easy to post….
..but solid scientific proof is a little harder.!
https://royalsociety.org/topics-policy/projects/climate-change-evidence-causes/
https://climate.nasa.gov/scientific-consensus/
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-021-22314-w
You're wrong and only wrong. And doubling down in being wrong makes you an idiot.
Hillhater
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There is no debate that the climate is constantly changing….
But a “consensus” on its cause is not scientific proof…!
..if it were proof, they would not need to declare a “consensus” !
Im a little surprised they did not quote the …..” 97% of climate scientists agree..” ?
If you bothered to read those “papers” , you might notice that they start off with the preposition that anthropogenic actions are the cause, and simply work out justifications for that case !
But either way, i dont care what you think, nature will have its way eventually and all the money, sacrifices, resources, and time wasted on attempts to influence that outcome will be regretted.
But a “consensus” on its cause is not scientific proof…!
..if it were proof, they would not need to declare a “consensus” !
Im a little surprised they did not quote the …..” 97% of climate scientists agree..” ?
If you bothered to read those “papers” , you might notice that they start off with the preposition that anthropogenic actions are the cause, and simply work out justifications for that case !
But either way, i dont care what you think, nature will have its way eventually and all the money, sacrifices, resources, and time wasted on attempts to influence that outcome will be regretted.
