stancecoke
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Both. Neither the renewables are more expensive than the fossile, nor the fossils are the future. Yes, at the moment they are still needed, until enough storages are built. But this will change in the next 20 years.
Wind and Solar vs Coal, Gasoline, Nuclear
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ZeroEm
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EV's use electricity generated by Coal! ICE does not.
Hillhater
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Im glad you do recognise the reality of power generation, even if others continue with the dillusion that all EVs are powered by sunshine and wind.
BUT, that EV bill has been killed in CA anyway .
ZeroEm
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I realize alright, have black suit on most things. Live north of a power plant and when the wind is just right get a dusting.
stancecoke
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They will in most cases and they will be a part of the storage grid.
I can't understand, that some people have no idea, how fast things are changing in this world in these days. But it makes no sense to argue with them. Never play chess with a pigeon
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ZeroEm
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I'm not waiting. My energy usage now averages 750kW a month now. So I will be adding solar to make most of that so I will not depend on my City to get away from Coal, have not purchased any Gasoline in over 7 years now.
if it averages 750kW, what is the peak power you use? Seems like a lot of power unless you're running a lot of industrial equipment.
....unless you mean 750kWh ....
ZeroEm
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Don't believe that I use 750000w an hour. It's 750000w a month 12 month average. Could have done 10 kwh.
My use has been of late 21 KW a day or 0.875 KWh.
So has my understanding left me. have been waiting for it to go someday.
Going to swap out my old mini split that ran on coal for a wind powered mini split tomorrow. It's a BOSCH Generation 2/3. The third generation should be the latest gas mixture for heat exchanger.
My use has been of late 21 KW a day or 0.875 KWh.
So has my understanding left me. have been waiting for it to go someday.
Going to swap out my old mini split that ran on coal for a wind powered mini split tomorrow. It's a BOSCH Generation 2/3. The third generation should be the latest gas mixture for heat exchanger.
ZeroEm
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Note: The average home electric bill here in San Antonio is $400 just not sure how many KWH that is could be close to 3200 kw a month. My last bill was for 600+ kw. putting hour on it just does not seem right.
ZeroEm
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Ok studied and your right amberwolf. I stand corrected. KW is the flow and KWh is the quantity that had flowed. yep my mind is starting to go. Will I need to relearn everything all the time, lol.if it averages 750kW, what is the peak power you use? Seems like a lot of power unless you're running a lot of industrial equipment.
....unless you mean 750kWh ....
Hillhater
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Hmm ? Apart from the fact that few EV have V2G capability yet, and the costs to enable that feature, both onthe vehicle and the property, is not insignificant, that idea will take some time to be realised.
Even then, some of those who have signed up for similar schemes have found themselves being exploited by the power suppliers who use their battery capacity to arbitrage the supply/ demand costing changes , often leaving the batterys near empty when charging costs are high !
Who would rationally buy anything that they do not need themselves, just to enable a power supplier to utilise it at will, with little or no control, for their own profit ?
Those corporations installing unreliable , intermittent, power generators, should be fundung the storage capacity required to ensure continuous supply.
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ZeroEm
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I don't trust in the long term as they change over time. The utilities here will not pay me for any extra power so don't plan on producing extra to store on their grid. Wanting two systems. One grid connected that will make most of my power not all. Want a backup system separate not connected the grid at all. The battery backup will be small to keep food cold and charge a cell phone. I'm sure later things will change.
classicalgas
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I did not say that !
what i said was..
”countries like China, Russia, and other “Eastern” nations, CONTINUING to build coal generators in preference to the intermittents.
Goddamn but you're a weasel.
First of all, they aren't, as I've pointed out to you several times. PV is getting much more investment, worldwide, than coal is, AND the installed capacity of PV per year is far exceeding that of coal generation, by multiples.
By writing "and other eastern nations" , you included China and Russia, who are investing far more in PV than in coal generation.
Give us links to "other eastern nations" that are investing more in coal power than in PV.
what i said was..
”countries like China, Russia, and other “Eastern” nations, CONTINUING to build coal generators in preference to the intermittents.
Goddamn but you're a weasel.
First of all, they aren't, as I've pointed out to you several times. PV is getting much more investment, worldwide, than coal is, AND the installed capacity of PV per year is far exceeding that of coal generation, by multiples.
By writing "and other eastern nations" , you included China and Russia, who are investing far more in PV than in coal generation.
Give us links to "other eastern nations" that are investing more in coal power than in PV.
classicalgas
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Eastern, Western and Texas interconnections...https://didyouknowscience.com/how-many-electric-grids-are-in-the-us-a-breakdown-of-regional-power-networks/
There's been a need to be able to share more power between those three major grids for some time, it's hard to get large amounts of excess power from California across the Rockies, as one example. Fix that, and energy storage becomes less necessary.
ZeroEm
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One thing I learned in the last week is the US to share power from East to West coast is using DC not AC. This was a total surprise. Thought that DC did not do well at distance but it does. Don't know the Voltage. Learned the main reason they went with AC was the equipment was cheaper.
Hillhater
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Again.. i never said that they were investing “more” than PV..
Go back and re-read those threads..!
I said they were “CONTINUING” to invest in Coal… because they are not restricted by the “Net Zero” fantasy of UN compliant nations.
ZeroEm
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I'm sure Net Zero has nothing to do with it, just a talking point to rally people. I have moved passed talking down Gasoline and Coal. Just refuse to pay for it. You want it you buy it, invest your money not mine. Our CPS is owned by the people in San Antonio and we don't want to buy Coal. We have a Good Coal power plant where do you want it. Guess the better kept it for another year the new Natural Gas plant went down and will be a year before back on line. Thank God for wind and solar. SA is expanding our battery storage.
Hillhater
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Why keep the coal or gas plants if you have such good wind and solar ?
maybe you should review exactly where your electricity comes from ..!
City of San Antonio - (TX) | Electricity Generation Summary
View all monthly electricity generation and details for the 12 power plants operated by City of San Antonio - (TX) located in San Antonio, TX.
San Antonio, TX Electricity Generation Summary
View all available electricity data in San Antonio, TX. View monthly electricity generation, the breakdown by power source, details on the 23 power plants in San Antonio, TX, and more.
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ZeroEm
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That great info they left out "San Antonio, Texas, obtains nuclear power from the South Texas Project (STP)1. CPS Energy owns a 40 percent stake in STP, which generates 1,029 megawatts of power for San Antonio1. Nuclear energy meets about one-fourth of San Antonio's annual electrical requirements".
It's hard to trust information that is not accurate.
It's hard to trust information that is not accurate.
