Worst foods declared by the World Health Org. pg 37
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Matt Gruber
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TSLA went public in 2010. interesting how musk invested $6 million in 2004 and became ceo. 
took a LONG time 2004-10
great story, helps make good points about success. Don't have to invent everything yourself, just have a vision (and $6 million lying around)
took a LONG time 2004-10
great story, helps make good points about success. Don't have to invent everything yourself, just have a vision (and $6 million lying around)Hillhater
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..??? Where did i say that ??Matt Gruber said:
Matt Gruber
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please go back to the post, you will see i corrected it. then if you want to, delete your responses, and i'll delete mine. fair enough? :thumb:
please go back to the post, you will see i corrected it. then if you want to, delete your responses, and i'll delete mine. fair enough? :thumb:
markz
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Elon Musks failures
https://press.farm/the-5-failures-of-elon-musk-and-how-he-overcame-them/
https://press.farm/the-5-failures-of-elon-musk-and-how-he-overcame-them/
Hillhater
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?? But You have not corrected your false statement about what i said. ?Matt Gruber said:
Or the associated personal remarks.....
Matt Gruber said:So are you saying you made more money? what business did you invent? :lol:
You are looking less informed with every postrather more mis-informed. sorry to interrupt your path to failure :lol: can't do math, can't look ahead, can't recognize success
So, Until you remove them all, my replies will remain ..(including your original false claims !)
Hillhater
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flippy said:
OK, so you want to shift the goal posts again , and change the numbers..fine...lets recalculate
Diesel still at the €7.50 /100km
Tesla @220Wh/km , and €0.22/kWh.. =..€4.84... or €0.0266c/km less tham the BMW. ( ignoring your corporate tax recovery !)
No !flippy said:
We went over the real effect of depreciation a few posts back...have you forgotten ?
In USD over 3 years Tesla depreciates 39% = $35,000. (From $89,990 list
.....BMW depreciated 40% (~same ?) = $22,000..from $54,000 list
So the Tesla costs an extra $13,000 in Depreciation !
On a standard 16,000km/yr lease that is equivalent to $0.27 / km more than the BMW !
But , the guys who really have to understand these costs are the Lease companies who have it all worked out and it shows in their charges ( as previously stated !)
Tesla S monthly lease cost US$1,117.00
BMW 5 monthly lease cost US$ 716.00
Thats a US$400 difference ... which just happens to be about $0.30/km on that 48,000km standard lease terms !
I still am not seeing these “Huge” savings fron the Tesla ?
..Just common sense ...try it some time ! :wink:
Dauntless
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(I fail to see how the new system is even as good as the old one.)
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/amp32346670/other-automakers-paid-tesla-record-354-million/
As in Tesla is in the carbon credit BUSY-MESS to support their electric car HOBBY.
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/amp32346670/other-automakers-paid-tesla-record-354-million/
As in Tesla is in the carbon credit BUSY-MESS to support their electric car HOBBY.
markz
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Interesting
https://youtu.be/MQV3D8F6gvw?t=342
https://youtu.be/MQV3D8F6gvw?t=342
Matt Gruber
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Here is my corrected post. if anyone wants to comment on it, go right ahead. I'll ignore past comments as my post had an error. I would prefer to delete all the faulty posts, but this forum does not have the software. Without good faith cooperation from Hillhater, all his posts remain. He only has to remove the 1 post that sent this off track, to get the ball rolling, to show he/she is a man or woman of integrity. :thumb:Matt Gruber said:How do i define success- in 1 word? Tesla
Any public co. has a responsibility to make money for its' owners. $5k in TSLA 10 years ago is now worth over 100KI'm sure tsla is ahead 1-2 BILLION on the bitcoin- another "change the world" crazy idea
Matt Gruber
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Good article. i read the whole thing :thumb: except the sales pitch :lol:markz said:
Matt Gruber
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Dauntless said:
There is this notion that profits are needed to change the world. This has proved to be nonsense
All you need is investors and or the government to fund the idea
markz
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Desire is whats needed to change the world.
Desire and Action
Desire and Action
Matt Gruber
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if you can't raise the money, no change.
Matt Gruber
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THE mistake GM F and FCA made was to go after the low end mass market, right off the bat. They really were not low priced cars, so sales were low. TSLA had a much better plan- a high priced luxury car that really was very different than ICE and worth the price - for those that can afford it. Created a desire among the public that did not imo exist before. TSLA keeps bringing out lower priced models so more can afford one
GM caught on they say- bringing out Cadillac EV soon. But- will it sell like the S? and the EV Hummer- will it sell like the Cybertruck?
They really were not low priced cars, so sales were low. TSLA had a much better plan- a high priced luxury car that really was very different than ICE and worth the price - for those that can afford it. Created a desire among the public that did not imo exist before. TSLA keeps bringing out lower priced models so more can afford one GM caught on they say- bringing out Cadillac EV soon. But- will it sell like the S? and the EV Hummer- will it sell like the Cybertruck?
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Hillhater said:
i am basically done with explainging how economics work. think REAL hard and answer the following question to yourself:
my premise is that if my math was correct tesla would not sell a single car. but they sell every single car they can produce, so is my math correct?
i dont know every tax system in america around cars for private or business. i do know them in my country very well as it was litteraly by job. prehaps that in your country/state this stuff does not work but then you have to wonder why all those people around you are driving these things. same goes for my country or even norway, they sell more electrics there then fossil fuel currently, mostly are teslas by a considerable margin. if the math does not work out nobody would buy them.
Matt Gruber
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I would be honored if you would pretend that this is me, in an alternate universe 8) :lol:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GcpPyBYRDcM&ab_channel=GruberMotorCompany
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says just ONE 18650 was bad in this $10k 2013 S https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-B_8oMZNeI&ab_channel=GruberMotorCompany
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GcpPyBYRDcM&ab_channel=GruberMotorCompany
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says just ONE 18650 was bad in this $10k 2013 S
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-B_8oMZNeI&ab_channel=GruberMotorCompanyHillhater
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Your maths is focused on your local CORPORATE ownership, rather than private buyers generally.flippy said:
.......( i notice the Comment title has been subtly changed to be. “EUROPE” !! :lol: )
.......... someone must have missed that data from the EV Year book, posted earlier :wink:
But , even if “your math” is wrong,.. private owners buy cars for many reasons..few of them based on any financial benefit.
In the case of Tesla, they are unique, and hence have appeal to many looking for something to differentiate them from the hoards of BMW drivers, or to give them a warm feeling that they are helping to save the planet
.Others may just want that smooth electric drive feel rather than a smooth ICE drive !
But if any of those private owners think they are benefiting financially,... they are kidding themselves
.... UNLESS.. they live in a country (Norway etc). where the financials are so heavily skewed with Tax’s and subsidies, so to make ICE more expensive to buy and run An EV !.
That is a fake and unsustainable situation, making motoring costs higher all round, and certainly not representative of the world in general
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markz
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I saw two Telsa's today within 100' on my way to get food. Have they fixed the cold weather problem with electric vehicles, Rich Rebuilds was saying you turn on the heater in the car it just chugs juice from batteries. So owners must be garaging their cars at home and at the office.
Why do some posts have the new title and others dont.
Nice catch, thats just Matt Grubers style, I dont mind it. Just means in a sense we gotta pay attention to the title.
Why do some posts have the new title and others dont.
Hillhater
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markz said:
..ref the cold.... have you seen those heated suits that bikers and Astronauts wear ???
..and the title change is an admission that the original statement was wrong ! (And still is
)Matt Gruber
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i changed the title to europe because of the high usa insurance costs, like $4,000 yr, and the reluctance of tsla to sell parts direct to owners in the usa. also flippy mentioned high gas only taxes in EU. surprisingly different costs in the EU. higher electricity too.
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i've read that tsla now sells insurance. GOOD! let them cover their own crazy high body repair costs :lol:
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and as a counterpoint, that 2014 S with 130k miles sold for $10k due to needing a $20k battery that owner lost plenty on that car, so beware. .......... which turned out to be a SINGLE 18650 that cost $5k to install. another HIGH repair cost, better than 20k but not an entire new battery either. Just 1 cell. for 5k
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i think i see tsla's path to future continued success- fleets of taxis is where EV's will shine, FSD will do the trick with 100k/year EV's will be a fine way to do errands. One way to look at it, if the taxi cost is less than insurance, many will not bother to own a car
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you get an old post title on quotes, but the newest title on REPLY.
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i've read that tsla now sells insurance. GOOD! let them cover their own crazy high body repair costs :lol:
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and as a counterpoint, that 2014 S with 130k miles sold for $10k due to needing a $20k battery
that owner lost plenty on that car, so beware. .......... which turned out to be a SINGLE 18650 that cost $5k to install. another HIGH repair cost, better than 20k but not an entire new battery either. Just 1 cell. for 5k .
i think i see tsla's path to future continued success- fleets of taxis is where EV's will shine, FSD will do the trick with 100k/year EV's will be a fine way to do errands. One way to look at it, if the taxi cost is less than insurance, many will not bother to own a car
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you get an old post title on quotes, but the newest title on REPLY.
Hillhater
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Armish definition of success..
“A round wife and a full barn are the signs of good success.”
PS... Matt,.. I dont think i have ever seen a thread with so many changes to the topic title...
....... why dont you do the normal forum thing and start a new thread for each new topic you want to discuss ?
“A round wife and a full barn are the signs of good success.”
PS... Matt,.. I dont think i have ever seen a thread with so many changes to the topic title...
....... why dont you do the normal forum thing and start a new thread for each new topic you want to discuss ?
Matt Gruber
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These are often topics where i don't have a solid opinion, i'm just looking for the facts. The costs of owning a tesla were from flippy- i knew nothing about it, i just thought it was interesting. Anybody can pull out an idea from this thread and make it a new topic. What i'm doing here changing the titles is my way of saying, i'm bored with the old topic, let's switch over to something different. I did have a plan to tie everything together, but without edit software, i just gave up on that. There are great points from everybody- imagine if i could condense this down to 3 pages of fantastic discussion 8) People would want to read it over and over. Now it is like a polluted ocean or river. It would be great if it was cleaned up but sucks like it is.
I made a new topic on my pole saw, that mod works great, i never saw anybody put on a longer bar so imo it was worthy of a new thread.
I made a new topic on my pole saw, that mod works great, i never saw anybody put on a longer bar so imo it was worthy of a new thread.
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Hillhater said:
considering basically nobody buys cars in this price range as a private person its a more then fair assumption. even in america.
if you can drop 100 grand on a car privatly you aint exactly checking every dime in your pocket so those people dont care about the math either way.
fun fact: dacia (basically the cheap version of renault) just launched the Dacia Spring, a electric car that will sell for 18k with 200+km of range. it has utter shit acceleration with only 40HP engine but its what most people seek in a cheap car for private ownership.
you do the same math again but now with a car that costs 18k and consumes 115Wh/km.