Zippy Flightmax / Turnigy lipo testing

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GGoodrum said:
The upper board serves two purposes, first as a replacement lid that has holes for the LEDs (I hate drilling these, as I can never seem to get them perfect, even with a drill press...)
Oh good I'm glad I'm not the only person who does that despite careful measuring!
Looks like a very neat solution Gary, a quick coat of matt black paint on the top of the board and it's perfect. And most importantly, noob friendly for no KFF!
Hurry up already and get those kits up on your site :p

With the power supplies running in series, wouldn't you be better to mount them side by side rather than on top of each other ? They get pretty warm and with the old hot air rises thing + the fan on top I'd have thought they'd cool better if they weren't stacked...
 
Hyena said:
Hurry up already and get those kits up on your site :p

Have you a link for the site Hyena i wasn't aware Gary even had a site till he mentioned it above :-S

KiM
 
Yeah I had to go searching for it a while back when I was first looking at his wares.
You need a better publicist Gary :)

http://www.tppacks.com/products.asp?cat=26
 
*BookMarked* !! There is no mention of PayPal :shock: Gary pleeeeease tell me you do paypal i have no credit card :?:

You should DEFINITELY have the shop URL in your forum Sig at least mate ! FREE advertising and all :-|
KiM
 
Don't worry mate, we'll work something out. If needs be I can buy them and you can fix me up later or we'll work out the difference in the frame costs. I don't know how much international shipping will be but it'll probably be worthwhile to combine out orders anyway to save on shipping (should only cost $5 at this end to send it across the country)
 
Yes, once I get these going, I'll start a thread in the For Sale section, with links for everything.

I do take PayPal, in fact I use them for processing credit cards.
 
Hello all,

I finally received and did initial tests on the Mean Well power supplies from sure-electronics.com - they are quite nice!

Review here (actually I have to migrate from html to ES): http://www.e-bikemike.com/reviews/MeanWell-S-350-24/Meanwell%20S-350-24%2024vdc%2014.6A.html

These units should work great with Gary's boards... I will be ordering balancers from Gary shortly and will create a review and how to for those as well.

Hope it helps!

-Mike
 
AussieJester said:
You should DEFINITELY have the shop URL in your forum Sig at least mate ! FREE advertising and all :-|
KiM
I have to say that I agree with this whole heartedly. Your products are one of a kind, specific to this hobby, and completely invaluable.

I ordered a 3 to 1 parallel balance connector from you, and it took some time to find your site. A lot of references such as "I plan on having these on the site this week" without mention of where the site is. This stuff is just too valuable to not have links to it everywhere.
 
TPA said:
AussieJester said:
You should DEFINITELY have the shop URL in your forum Sig at least mate ! FREE advertising and all :-|
KiM
I have to say that I agree with this whole heartedly. Your products are one of a kind, specific to this hobby, and completely invaluable.

I ordered a 3 to 1 parallel balance connector from you, and it took some time to find your site. A lot of references such as "I plan on having these on the site this week" without mention of where the site is. This stuff is just too valuable to not have links to it everywhere.

Please, please do this. Add a shop URL to your signature on here.

You can't imagine how much time I've spent trying to hunt down your website on various occasions. At a minimum, put the website in the "website address" thing on your profile.
 
did anyone else see that hobbyking is introducing a charger that will do four 8S batteries? that is all the info i have, i can't remember if that was in an e-mail for on the site. what a tease! :D
 
will_newton said:
found it. she might not be fast, but it does charge and balance 4 x 6S for $99 + $36 EMS shipping
ooooooh, very close to getting this, but just gave methods most all my money.

http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/uh_viewItem.asp?idProduct=10327
Yeh that will be slow as heck. And you need a 12 volt source so either a car or another adapter. Just get set up with a power supply or 2 like the most of the rest of us and charge as a pack. I use 4 bms moniters and when one starts to beep I am done. I have a cheep ballancer I use to balance it all when I need to as well.
 
Hyena said:
That's an understatement! 50w to charge 4 batteries will take eons!
it says 6S at 2.2A, so it would be an overnight charger on a 20AH batteries. Most days I only pull a couple of AH from my batteries, so for me, this could top off/balance a 24S system up in a few hours each night.

My issue would be trusting it to do a long charge unsupervised overnight- maybe put a fire alarm next to it? :)

I have a hyperion duo 3 charger, which does me fine and would probably find another previously owned one like the one I have before getting this. If nothing else, it is certainly an affordable, albeit slow, entry level charger/balancer for someone just getting into a high voltage system.

I guess the thing to do would be to see the results from some sucker---uh, I mean early adopter to get an idea of the quality level.
 
Honestly I spent ~$50 on two power supplies rated at 48v and 7.3 amp (you adjust them up to the voltage you want with a adjuster right on the end of them.) Then I linked them together in series to get my 100.8v. But unless you can balance your batteries perfactly you should set it down a touch.
Then I spent $25 on a little 6s ballancer and $24 on 4 6s moniters. All my stuff works great and I plug it in in the house or shop to 110 not to some cigerete lighter.
If you buy this thing you will be greatly dissapointed. You will need to leave it pluged into your car overnight and run your car battery dead or plug it into your house with a 12 volt powersupply that will cost you extra money. I personaly would never charge lipo while I can't watch it let alone while I was sleaping. I don't care how much you trust the charger if it fails and over charges one cell or more you have a nasty fire!
 
You could get four accucel-6 chargers for a little more than the quad.. that would be 200W total. That quad is pretty cool though. I'll assume everybody here has a 12v supply and a shed to charge in... Arlo which balancer are you using?
 
Arlo1 said:
If you buy this thing you will be greatly dissapointed
Geez, no one says it's perfect. There are plenty of folks that may already have power supplies (I have several) or have needs outside of e-bikes, like R/C stuff. Being so dismissive of something because it doesn't fit YOUR needs or charge at rocket-like speeds hardly makes sense. If I didn't have a couple of good chargers already, I'd have certainly given this some consideration.

I happen to like a simpler solution than cadging together a crapload of components into a ghetto charger that can only serve one purpose.

Lighten up guys, it's just a charger.
 
will_newton said:
Arlo1 said:
If you buy this thing you will be greatly dissapointed
Geez, no one says it's perfect. There are plenty of folks that may already have power supplies (I have several) or have needs outside of e-bikes, like R/C stuff. Being so dismissive of something because it doesn't fit YOUR needs or charge at rocket-like speeds hardly makes sense. If I didn't have a couple of good chargers already, I'd have certainly given this some consideration.

I happen to like a simpler solution than cadging together a crapload of components into a ghetto charger that can only serve one purpose.

Lighten up guys, it's just a charger.
I see it like this with my 24s 10ah pack I will go about 1/2-1 hour riding lightly or 15 min riding hard. It will take me ~1 hour to recharge at 730 watts
Where my car can be driven lightly for 4-5 hours then can be filled with gas in 5 minutes!
But if you were going to get somehting that would take 14.6 hours to charge my 10ah 24s pack so going out for 2 rides in one day is not an option.
The other reason we sugest charging as a pack is because everyone who switches packs around to charge eventualy messes up and burns some conectors and most times their fingers!
Not trying to be a jerk man just think you could save money in a different way.
 
Arlo1 said:
But if you were going to get somehting that would take 14.6 hours to charge my 10ah 24s pack so going out for 2 rides in one day is not an option..
Huh? 24S 10ah charge would be about five hours. I am pretty sure that the 6S @ 2.2 is per channel, not a total rating for the entire charger.

If the whole charger can only do 2.2A, I agree, then why bother, but it can't suck that bad. :D
 
Each section is 2.2A for 6s, so it is 200W total, or 50W per 6s pack.

Actually, this isn't such a bad way to go, if you already have a 200W+ 12V supply. You could always cut down the total charge time by using something like the Meanwell supplies in parallel, to bulk charge the pack, and use this to "top-off" and balance the cells. Actually, it's too bad these won't accept a higher input voltage, like the iCharger 208B, which accepts an input voltage of up to 30V, I think. That way the Meanwell can be used, either by itself as a bulk charger, or with the charger/balancer. These things are $200, though, and that is just for one 6s section, so you'd need at least two to do a 12s pack. Some of the 6s balance chargers can take 18V, so you could probably use these with a 24V/15A S-350-24 Meanwell supply, which can be dialed down to close to 18V, I think. You would start out with the Meanwell set to about 24-25V and then when it starts to go into the CV mode, you could dial the voltage down to 18V, and insert the 6s balance charger in between the supply and the pack. This wouldn't work for this Quatro 4-channel version though, as it has an input voltage limit of 15V. The S-350-24 doesn't go that low. The other problem with this approach is that during the "bulk charge" mode, where just the Meanwell is being used, there's no HVC protection at the cell level, to catch a cell about to go into thermal runaway. That alone would be a showstopper for me.

The other issue is that these RC balance chargers are all designed to be used with packs that don't usually exceed 5Ah, so the balance current is limited. At least most of these HC units will do 300mA, but balancing even a 10Ah pack can take quite awhile, unless you balance the pack with each charge, to not let the cells get too far apart. Even then, it takes time.

I looked at all these options before deciding to ge ahead with my own 12s balancer, because I just couldn't find an off-the-shelf solution that could safely charge and balance a 12s pack quickly, that didn't cost a fortune. I still continue to look for more options, though. :) If I could find a cheap ($35?) 6s-50W balancer that could accept a 24V power input, I'd do a simple HVC circuit that would cutoff the main supply if a cell goes too high, and parallel the Meanwell with the balancer. By the time the MW got the pack up to the CV point, the current is going to start dropping anyway, so the cheap balance charger wouldn't have to do the heavy lifting.

-- Gary
 
Gary,

The meanwell can probably be used down to about 14 (the 24v unit)... I figured out how to modify and extend the variable voltage range... waiting for parts to mount in the case (run to radio shack as such) and I will post that info up. Also looking to see what Nick has for a current adjustment mod... want to do all the mods at once (manual mods) before I work on controlling them from an AVR.

Regards,
Mike
 
On the subject of "Assemble it yourself" lipo chargers, here are two ghetto charger ideas.

Can you run a Variac through a DC rectifier and get a variable charging source? I have one setup just this way with an inline DMM to power a foam cutting system @ 7-8volts. It puts out 0-120vdc max, but not sure of the amps, I have to check, maybe ten or so.

For that matter why not hookup up an extension cord to a light dimmer to a DC rectifier and charge away?

Even with balancers and monitor accessories, etc. something like the above setups just seem so wrong, even though they might work for a while before burning your house down. Gonna file this under the do not try this at home section, but for some reason I am just wondering how lowbrow and cheap can you get with a high voltage charger?

:mrgreen:
 
Will, that sounds like a very bad idea for LiPo.
 
Too much current which would become CV at those power levels...Holding current constant is required to allow the voltage drop on the supply line to match the battery you are charging.

Rectifying 110 would be great right 65v, just feed it!!! BOOM, inrush AC current would be coupled to output too.. ouch. ; )_

-Mike
 
Gee Gary, it sounds like maybe you could get a free upgrade for your website from one of the member here, who might actually happen to be a web designer. :lol:

I bet the guys on rcgroups would buy this too, an updated webpage with pictures and examples of possibilities would go a long way in convincing people they need this. :wink: I just wanted to be the first to tell you :twisted: Hehe

Oh yeah, I will be ordering an adapter this week, I didn't realize it had a freewheel threading. :oops: Now I know why I need this.
 
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