I don't use studded tires on the street, for most of the winter the streets here are cleaned and regularly covered with abrasives. So iced street is not a common situation, and studded tires are not fun to ride on pavement.LI-ghtcycle wrote: I will be watching this thread with interest to see what people are using.
Kewl, I used to do the same with my XT500 Enduro. I simply took automotive studs and drilled a hole (the diameter of the SHAFT of the stud, not the head) into the center of beefy lug on the tire, and forced the hole open enough to get the head of the stud in there with some modified needle nose pliers.MadRhino wrote:I don't use studded tires on the street, for most of the winter the streets here are cleaned and regularly covered with abrasives. So iced street is not a common situation, and studded tires are not fun to ride on pavement.LI-ghtcycle wrote: I will be watching this thread with interest to see what people are using.
I use studded tires offroad, and I make my own.
Regular sheet metal screws do skate on pavement, and most of the studs that are on ready-made bicycle ice tires. Kold Kutters grip better on pavement, but that does not make them a good ride, only safer. Anyway, I never felt the real need to use studded tires on the street, but a few times in the whole winter.LI-ghtcycle wrote:Wow, I never knew there was an "official" sheet-metal screw used that way, I always assumed it was just something you got at the local hardware store.
whre you get them ? here they are 40$ each at cost priceDrkAngel wrote:Picked up a pair of Innova studded tires ... cheap ... in July. (ebay)
Cost me about $40 for the pair, including shipping. I wasn't very impressed with design, but hey, couldn't beat the price. Have to give them a try.
First, there are plenty of studs, 1 every 3/4", but I feel they are placed too close to the center. I fear they will wear down from constant abrasion. Ideally they should make only minimal contact on a straight run. That way they will be fresh and sharp on any sort of turn, where they are most needed. Presently, both rows of studs contact, on the straight, any turn lifts one set, effectively halving the, "stud" traction.
Just started snowing yesterday so I winterized one of my EZip Mountain trailz. The studded tires make a very noticeable noise, not sure what to compare it to, but at slow speed it sounds almost identical to microwaved popcorn.
The tires are only 1.75" but that should make them cut through the snow and let the studs cut into the underlying ice. Unfortunately, with no snow, I'm a bit fearful of cornering too fast. I keep thinking about steel studs sliding on cold wet blacktop, ... maybe I'm just paranoid?
Also bought another pair of tires, over the summer. They are possibly the poorest attempt at studded tires that I can imagined. I will post pictures ... soon.
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you not answer my question where you get your innova tire?DrkAngel wrote:First off, my Innova studded tires are working satisfactorily. But I never want to become complacent, sooo ... I decided to try my hand at making studded tires.
Plan of action:
Surprisingly, the aluminum pop rivet debacle, help guide me away-towards many good-bad ideas.
1. Drill will cut-damage the ply-cords
2. anything jagged-pointy against tube
3. screws in center
1. Screw with wide-low profile head
2. Screw with wide deep threads
I found 2 candidates: #8x1/2"
The screws fit nice and flush to the tire, hopefully with their wide heads, the tube will help support them nicely.
For my first attempt I decided to use one of my swapped out EZip tires.
The "studs" look nasty, I thought about grinding them down some, but I believe I'll just wait for the next heavy snow-ice storm.
I didn't over do it on quantity, this is just a test item. 100 of these sharp little screws and 8 bloody fingers later, I have my prototype!
I left the center "stud free", straight line riding requires very little extra traction. My stud pattern will wear some, on the straight but studs will cut deeply on slight turn, and outer row will dig in, on sharper turn. Lowering tire pressure will allow outer row to hit with a lighter turn.
Reread line #1 of thread! ...lifepo4ever wrote: you not answer my question where you get your innova tire?
you have the best tire man with carbide but they almost 100$ each hereel_walto wrote:I have Schwalbe Ice Spikers. They are awesome this winter on all the ice and dry pavement. I use a front wheel drive hub.
You're correct about the Innova wearing. Being so close to center, and the studs being of a less durable material, the rear studs have worn nearly flush to the tread. This after only a couple hundred miles of clear road. Possibly the wear was accelerated by the extra weight and extra torque on my rear wheel. The front wheel still has substantial stud protrusion.lifepo4ever wrote:you have the best tire man with carbide but they almost 100$ each hereel_walto wrote:I have Schwalbe Ice Spikers. They are awesome this winter on all the ice and dry pavement. I use a front wheel drive hub.
i just see innova tire are not good on pavement road , they wear very easy because they use regular carbon steel